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Author Topic: Discussion of Archangel Michael's answers  (Read 26033 times)
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« Reply #125 on: July 12, 2004, 22:31:50 »

This thread is going to get locked soon too, especially if Nay keeps it up. [Cool] Is that your intent Nay? or are you going to look at things from our angle for once?
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« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2004, 22:58:46 »

Yeah, such irony..

What's wrong with my smilies?  I think they are cute.. he seems to use them alot on his forum, but no complaints over there..

Check this one out..cute!  or this one..even cuter!

I've got a million of them..

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« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2004, 22:58:46 »

logoVisit the website of Astral Pulse creator Adrian Cooper.

Home of the best selling book Our Ultimate Reality.

Astral Projection, Metaphysics and many other subjects.

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« Reply #127 on: July 12, 2004, 23:25:46 »

Hahahahaha, I don't even know what that means..

If it means stealing..nope.  They say use it at will..

You want the link?..pretty cool and very addictive..

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« Reply #128 on: July 12, 2004, 23:29:59 »

It's not the smilies you just used, its the smug [^] smilies.  You use them frequently, and although it may not be your intention, it makes your posts seem very smug.
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« Reply #129 on: July 12, 2004, 23:35:58 »

Hahahahahaha...I did not know that was a smug smilie!  That is considered smug? [^]<---- I just thought it meant I wasn't smiling so big that my teeth showed..  Kinda like a agreement smile..[^]

LOL..this is too funny, but hey, lordbunny, ya have to love this one..


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Edit: that wasn't the right one..don't jump on me, this is the one I meant..
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« Reply #130 on: July 12, 2004, 23:53:15 »

OOOOOOhhhhhhh...

Guess I'll take my chances..too much fun right now..

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« Reply #131 on: July 13, 2004, 02:19:30 »

Nay,

Hmmmm....I don't know of a nice way to say this....

For a moderator I find your actions a hit below the belt and your words cutting and cruel.

You don't care about the rest of us WANTING this thread to continue, you don't care that the rest of us accept Spectral Dragon as he is, and you don't care to listen to anyone elses reasonable remarks.

Conclusion:  you are having a nice personal vendeta, using 'moderator' as a power shield.  

Note:  I think quite a few in this thread also enjoy other items on the forum, and your actions (as a moderator) reflect on the forum as a whole.
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« Reply #132 on: July 13, 2004, 02:29:59 »

Duly noted Puff and thank you for you comments..[^] <---- not smug, just agreeing.

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« Reply #133 on: July 13, 2004, 17:29:51 »

Yeah, if it was a cult following then everyone would be agreeing with Michels anwsers.  The only thing so far that I don't agree on was the fact that he said that the future isn't written in stone, but what I think is that there are more different paths leading up to what your future holds.  No matter what you do, you will always end up at that one spot and depending on what you did in the past could affect the outcome of that one spot in your life.

I do have to say that his anwsers to the questions that I asked so far have been right on, but even though they do seem accurate, I won't turn to Micheal everytime I need a question anwsered, which is why I have been having some trouble thinking up questions, I have either anwsered them myself through my higherself or through various sources, which is what Micheal was trying to get us to do in the first place.  Relfect on these things and try to improve ourselfs with understanding, so weather you really agree with what SD says that he is doing or not, you have still thought about it havn't you.
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« Reply #134 on: July 14, 2004, 01:08:50 »

Here's an excerpt from John Michael Greer's book Monsters on the topic of angels:

 
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It's worth remembering that not everything that calls itself an angel deserves the title. Fays, spirits, intelligences, and demonic entities, among others, are perfectly capable of putting on a vaguely angelic form and name if it suits their purposes. There are plenty of entities that will play such games.

This sort of charade is particularly common in the case of "channeled entities" who reveal themselves solely by way of a human channeler or medium. None of the traditional accounts of the angelic realm suggest that angels communicate in this way.


I also found it a bit eerie that the brief depiction of the archangel Michael goes: "guardian of the sun and slayer of the dragon".
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« Reply #135 on: July 14, 2004, 01:45:32 »

Well it was Christian belief that the dragon was evil, the dragon was also the symbol of the burning desire to fight, that was the whole point to the story of the brave knight killing the dragon and rescuing the maidan.  Really it means getting rid of that will, so that you may live in peace, but I really don't think there will ever be a true peace, even if mankind were to obtain it there would always be something else willing to fight and kill at a moments interest.

Though Dragons arn't like the stories though, met a few and you become freinds with them easily if you are respectful enough, just don't make them mad as some have very short tempers.  Though this is the astral mind you and it could just be that they are thought forms that have gained sentience and souls like Michele says can happen.

Though Mactombs, SD says that he is starting to not feel so drained by this anymore and even if this being isn't really a true angel, the information that we are reciving when looking at it objectivly enough and really thinking about it and not just blindly accepting it as truth, is really good, REALLY good when it is cross referenced with some of the stuff that you already know about things.  Like I have said before, the anwser to my questions really startled me, this being obiosly has some power as its awnsers were really accurate as seen in this.

This is the personal anwser to my question about a dream that I had

3. I had a weird dream once, I thought that it was just from a neg attachment that I had, but now I want to verify it with you if it held any simbolic meaning.

M: You like the fight? (ask this of yourself he needs no answer--SD)

There are many people with such dreams, the fight is a sign of the will to live, and being the overseear of dreams I would like to say that the fight against fear was a sign to you from me, fear is the main thing a neg preys on. Do not let it control your fear.

Do you like the water, ever flowing during that one period?

Water is a calming part of the world, but it can suddenly, when used by other spirits, into sudden storm.

Is your link strong? (you know with who)

Friendship, companionship, Family, intamacy (not sex, people confuse sex with that word too much. He talks about your other half, your mate) is the biggest part of your strength. This was shown through interference. Take a deep look inside yourself and you will find many answers, but never forget that your ties also define you.

One day there is a strong chance you will get to talk to me personally, I look forward to it.
(end of Micheal message)

I guess he was thinking you have a high chance of success in that area.


1. There is no way that SD could know something about me having a mate, not only this, but if either, 1. SD was faking this, he would have probably said lover, not mate, he also couldn't have know about my mate through my profile either, as I am only 18 and it would be hard to judge through the internet about this without exposing himself.  2. Even if the entity being meditated was just some low level neg looking for its next meal, it probably wouldn't have come up with an anwser like this.

When I really looked at this and thought over it like Michele had said to, I started to really notice these qualities even more, though I don't fight, myself, I am intriqued by fighting.  I wan't to fight one day, the reason for this is to protect the ones that I love, the parts of my strength in life.  

The affalation with water is also dead on, I love to swim, thinking of water as a calming thing, but when needed can also be a powerful tool.

Notice also, that I didn't ever give a description of the dream, all I said was that I thought it was because of a neg, in the dream there was always fighting, but it could have been a multiude of things and SD just so happens to pick fighting.
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« Reply #136 on: July 14, 2004, 03:11:56 »

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Originally posted by mactombs

Here's an excerpt from John Michael Greer's book Monsters on the topic of angels:

 
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It's worth remembering that not everything that calls itself an angel deserves the title. Fays, spirits, intelligences, and demonic entities, among others, are perfectly capable of putting on a vaguely angelic form and name if it suits their purposes. There are plenty of entities that will play such games.

This sort of charade is particularly common in the case of "channeled entities" who reveal themselves solely by way of a human channeler or medium. None of the traditional accounts of the angelic realm suggest that angels communicate in this way.


I also found it a bit eerie that the brief depiction of the archangel Michael goes: "guardian of the sun and slayer of the dragon".



that is The Dragon That is also a refference made by a man who does not understand dragons. Micheal refers to me as a dragon soul. I have come in contact with many spirits and beings in my travels, and the only refference to dragons that is bad is the refference to the great black dragon, Samuel The Arch Demon.

Micheal's love is very overpowering, it's not like the love a faker would throw at you, they can't copy the power of the love, or the intensity of it, they can only copy the feel of love itself[Wink] That is why it says vaguely angelic form.
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« Reply #137 on: July 14, 2004, 03:30:14 »

I think it has more to do with intreperatations. I honestally dont think it matters what he's is in contact with, if anything at all.

Either way, SDs words are very introspective, and provide alot of good piecring detail to the questions asked during these mediations.

Even if he is talking to his higher self, it doesnt really matter, he is doing good <or atleast attempting to>. For that I dont see where the issue lies.

For us gifted folk, names really shoudnt mean anything. It is the concepts and thought provided that means most.

Chipping away at people for the sake of seeing them crack is cruel. In that reguard I can see where the concept of "original sin" comes from.

I dont understand why people can just silently disagree. He never asked for your input and only gave out info when people asked for it.

It would be one thing if he paraded his gifts around, but he dosnt. To him he feels like he needs to share his experiences, which makes him feel whole.

Helping people in a way that may have prevented his problems, or helped him when he needed it.

Beating people up like that makes me furious. I can remember seeing this happen to other people. This sense of vengence and sorrow was what led me to the path to the light, and also what kept me in the dark.

There was once a point where things like this made me feel that non-psykes were sub-human...... A dangerous trait for someone like me.

We must all try to understand one another. Nay I know you must have you reasons, but plz dont be cloak and dagger about it. Say it up front.

If you think he's starting a cult, thats fine. But attack the concept not the person. You currentaly are applying the same philosophy that the Nazis did against the jews.

Blaming xxxx wont solve the problem at hand. Fix the problem and dont blame someone else.

If you honestally think its a cult, make people aware of it. Dont attack him and call him a liar. Even you know that denail and doubt are the #1 killers of psionic ability.

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« Reply #138 on: July 14, 2004, 08:39:02 »

hi there Sentential !

I agree with you on some points, and disagree on others.... I hope that you don't get offended when I disagree with you ! [Smiley]
 
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Chipping away at people for the sake of seeing them crack is cruel. In that reguard I can see where the concept of "original sin" comes from.


Yes, "chipping away" at people to see them crack is very cruel...yet that is exactly what Nay has been subjected to by many members, simply because she went against the status quo and dared to dispute the validity of something !!

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I dont understand why people can just silently disagree. He never asked for your input and only gave out info when people asked for it.



Well, when you make a post on a public forum such as the astralpulse, you inevitably invite comments. Some people will agree with you, & others will disagree, as per the nature of debate. You have to take this kind of thing on the chin ! Its no use belittling someone who questions the validity of your post.

Heres an example... Lets say Mactombs started a new topic saying that he had developed super powers - he can fly like superman, & levitate heavy objects. Don't you think it would be very odd if nobody questioned him ?! If everyone disagreed silently, we'd have no debate !

 
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Beating people up like that makes me furious. I can remember seeing this happen to other people.


Sentential, I sincerely ask you to take a look at the other side of the coin... who is really the victim here ?!!

Anyway, that's my 2pence worth on the subject. I hope that people can continue to agree & disagree here, remembering that we should always show respect for each other whilst doing so !

kind regards,
Mark

ps - I trust that mactombs hasn't already developed these "superpowers"....If so, that would blow my example out the water !


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« Reply #139 on: July 14, 2004, 12:11:53 »

Clandestino, there were other people questioning Spectral and Michael besides Nay, just that they did in in a very different manner.

Anyway, I also do not agree with everything Michael has said.  I do think that Spectral is indeed mediating him, however I think that there may be other factors interfering.  Michael himself admitted that there could be negative entities interrupting the flow of information to Spectral.  Furthermore, since Spectral has to recieve the information through visions and then interpret it into the physical plane, there is much room for error.  The knowledge we bring back through the astral plane, whether through projections or dreams, has to be interpreted  and filtered to an extent in order to translate it into our physical existence.  Because of this, I'm quite certain that some of the answers were at least partly incorrect, and IMO, the answers for the face on Mars and Lemuria/Mu were most likely flat out wrong.

Ultimately, it will be far more beneficial to project into the astral and possibly meet with Michael yourself.  Or, you could do the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram and contemplate the Archangels afterwards.  I have been doing this lately, and I can feel a definte connection with them.  Actually, there was a pretty good thread about this on the occult forums.

http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=4061
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« Reply #140 on: July 14, 2004, 14:45:43 »

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ps - I trust that mactombs hasn't already developed these "superpowers"....If so, that would blow my example out the water !


Developed? Oh no, I've always had those. [Smiley]

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that is The Dragon That is also a refference made by a man who does not understand dragons. Micheal refers to me as a dragon soul. I have come in contact with many spirits and beings in my travels, and the only refference to dragons that is bad is the refference to the great black dragon, Samuel The Arch Demon.


If you mean Greer is a man who does not understand dragons, I beg to differ. From what I have read of his material, he is a very clear-thinker and one of the few "New Age" authors I feel trustworthy. You may, however, be correct about what the "dragon" actually refers to in this context, which isn't explained.

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Micheal's love is very overpowering, it's not like the love a faker would throw at you, they can't copy the power of the love, or the intensity of it, they can only copy the feel of love itself That is why it says vaguely angelic form.


Certainly this is more telltale. In Greer's book it says that beings that inpersonate are more discernable by the atmosphere or feelings they invoke, which is usually confusion and excitement. Also, I think it's important to note that you meditate rather than let the being "take over".

Anyway, as always, I like asking about other explanations for things. Knowledge about something is no good if you look at it with tunnel vision...

...There is, however, no alternate explanation for my superpowers. Do not question my flying or levitation of heavy objects!
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« Reply #141 on: July 15, 2004, 10:37:35 »

Kane,

The Celestine Prophecy author is the son of the owner of a bookstore in Houston,TX called Aquarian Bookshelf.  The best place in Houston to go for new age books if you ever go there.

I read his books and liked them.  He is teaching life principles from his viewpoint.  And being raised in such a free-thinking atmosphere, I can see why his books did so well.  To me it was kindof like the Lynn Andrews books.  Storytelling at a good level.  But, again, that's what stories are for, to teach us things.[Smiley]
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« Reply #142 on: July 17, 2004, 04:03:21 »

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My contacts are very dirty today, I can't seem to find where you explain why you hate it here, but continue to stay..please link me..


I do not recall saying I hate the site itself. I believe that this thought came around from how you view me, as a 22 year old who is sharing experiences you have not tried yet and believe you cannot do. (And quite frankly I think you can, you just haven't tried it out, or if you have tried it you only tried it once and thought I was quite simply lying. I could be wrong, but from what I have seen of most people who have been projecting for fifteen years (at least I think that is how long you said you have been projecting) they have all the skill necessary.)

These things that I do are, after a certian point of what most people would call "mastery," (I actually hate that word in describing these things, but it's the only one I could think at the moment) or astral projection are quite simple, they simply seem impossible because the way you think influinces the astral, If your attitude is "I can't do this," then quite simply you have made it that much harder on yourself (please note that I did not say impossible[Wink])

This is exactly the attitude I have seen concerning fictional worlds. "I cannot do this" simply makes it that much harder for yourself to do these things. If you fail once, that does not mean it's impossible for you to do, it simply means you have not broken past the mental barriers that are restricting you from getting to your goal. Again, I am speaking in refference to someone who has been projecting for 15 years. This will not apply to everyone who can project. It is unwise to project and think "I can go to another world now" when you haven't marked reaching the mental plane as an accomplishment.

Basically what I am saying in a nutshell is keep practicing and you will accomplish it.
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« Reply #143 on: July 19, 2004, 02:16:09 »

This is exactly the attitude I have seen concerning fictional worlds. "I cannot do this" simply makes it that much harder for yourself to do these things. If you fail once, that does not mean it's impossible for you to do, it simply means you have not broken past the mental barriers that are restricting you from getting to your goal. /quote]

Thanx....I always need to be reminded that it is me (and not others) that limit myself.  But, at the same time, I DO believe that some have a more affinity for it than others...everyone has something they excel at.  And I think that is what the whole idea of having forums (of any kind) is all about -- people pooling their knowledge and finding their own ideas in relation to things they see and hear....and then off they go on their merry way til the next 'nexus' appears in no-matter-what-form (a person, internet, a book, an overheard comment in a crowd).  

Synchronicity Happens!
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« Reply #144 on: July 26, 2004, 02:01:34 »

Guys from now on I am only doing this privately. I apoligize if this is an inconvenience.
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« Reply #145 on: July 26, 2004, 03:18:31 »

I've been reading the forums with great interest and I wanted to add a few of my own thoughts and opinions. It took me a long time to get through all the material and several hours of reading!

One thing I think some people assume is that wrong and inaccurate are the same thing. I mean wrong in a moral sense. I think most people could agree (maybe?) that people are on different paths to the same end. One person's disinformation might be another's meaningful insights. We are all probably wrong about something we believe strongly. Does that make our experiences with that reality any less valid than a "correct" reality? We seek our answers and find them in different ways.

I don't see why Spectral Dragon posting his mediations in an open forum would be a problem. People can read, think, and judge for themself. They can discard or accept at will. As far as cult-like behavior... I haven't really seen any myself or maybe I'm just missing that. I was surprised when I came across that idea... I have skimmed some, but I did read every page. He isn't asking for money or dictating how people should live. He is simply posting the answers he mediates. He isn't even demanding you believe his mediations as absolute truth.

This forum was made for the purpose of "Communications", right? He is posting the communications he receives.

Whenever you challenge the foundations of someone's beliefs and worldview there will be resistance. Sometimes you slightly alter your beliefs or change them entirely. It isn't comfortable to think of yourself as being "wrong". The Ego does not want to be wrong. You want to be admired as being knowledgeable or spiritually elevated and aware. Some people will think this is all s**t and some people will be too open and easily swayed in their beliefs. A good sense of balance is necessary. Don't be too rigid and closed to new ideas, but don't blindly accept anything either.

That's just what's been going through my mind as I read. I think you are doing a good job Spectral Dragon given the environment of an open forum. I look forward to more of your posts. Smiley
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« Reply #146 on: July 30, 2004, 22:15:54 »

This link from the occult forums has several downloads which can be viewed on adobe, several of which are rituals which allow one to meditate with the archangels.

http://www.occultforums.com/showpost.php?p=41534&postcount=3

Please note that some of the tools and aspects of this ritual (such as having an alter, a robe, etc.) aren't absolutely necessary, though they do help.  Basically, you need to get the same essence down, as the practice of magic is largely internal, and the better you get the easier it will be able to connect with entities.
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« Reply #147 on: August 08, 2004, 09:45:55 »

You people are seriously deluded.
the archangel micheal is a viscious psychopath. Make no mistake, spectral dragon WAS in contact with micheal, and he WAS being drained by micheal. PLEASE stay away from Angels, venturing into the occult and chanelling angels constantly, your energy is just food for them. He was not in contact with a Demon, as Demons is on the other end of the spectrum - the freinds of humanity, the true and original gods, not this young arrogant jehova who's ego is so swollen he claims he is omnipotent and omniscient. Alot of angels would not drain you from a "great psychic presence" because they are weak and pestilent (a Demon on the other hand, could accidently kill you from just appearing to you). Perhaps a higher ranking angel would, however.
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« Reply #148 on: August 08, 2004, 12:32:33 »

Dude, you need to not take those satanist fantasy books literally. [xx(]
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« Reply #149 on: August 08, 2004, 19:22:58 »

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You people are seriously deluded.
the archangel micheal is a viscious psychopath. Make no mistake, spectral dragon WAS in contact with micheal, and he WAS being drained by micheal. PLEASE stay away from Angels, venturing into the occult and chanelling angels constantly, your energy is just food for them. He was not in contact with a Demon, as Demons is on the other end of the spectrum - the freinds of humanity, the true and original gods, not this young arrogant jehova who's ego is so swollen he claims he is omnipotent and omniscient. Alot of angels would not drain you from a "great psychic presence" because they are weak and pestilent (a Demon on the other hand, could accidently kill you from just appearing to you). Perhaps a higher ranking angel would, however.



Err...who is the deluded one here?
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