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« Reply #150 on: August 09, 2004, 07:13:38 »

I needn't have bothered in the first place. Well, its not my problem if you want to be Angel food,
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« Reply #151 on: August 09, 2004, 13:11:20 »

I believe SD is confusing you. The angel itself isnt draining, but rather enovoking it. As you can imagine, you gotta make yourself a pretty big target, psionically, to be able to be "seen" by an archangel. Maintaing that level of energy is what is draining.

Now as for the "Satan is our liberator" theme, I am afraid you are sadly mistaken. No im not gonna start some Xtian rhedoric. I speak from the experiences of myself and a freind of mine.

Demons are not your friend. I cannot stress this enough. Ive been around alot of demons and my friend is a former hardlined satanist.

Former you ask? After a long battle with his "guide" SD and I finally broke the connection and allwed him to see how it was tearing his life apart. How it alienated him from the ones he loved.

I had a similar experience, although it was from a past life. I had no recollection of what I did back then, but my refusal to re-join them started a wave of violence so horrid words cannot describe.

My parents said as a child I would scream in the middle of the night as tho I was fearing for my life. As I got older it only kept getting worse. Ive been scared, choked, things PKed at me, hell I even been possessed.

Despite all this I broke my connection and things have changed for the better. I finally feel happy and have something to look foreward to. The negs still try to haunt me, but I am strong enough to destroy them.

As SD and others will tell you about myself, I am the proof of demons / neg's brutality. My advice is to stay the hell away from them, before they make an attachment with you

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« Reply #151 on: August 09, 2004, 13:11:20 »

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« Reply #152 on: August 09, 2004, 20:55:38 »

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I needn't have bothered in the first place. Well, its not my problem if you want to be Angel food,



You would think that the whole of humankind's "Angel" and "demon" definitions would tune you in, but let me explain something to you mr. Know-it-all.

Demon: a TRICKY being who creates fear and chaos for it's own benifit. In other words bub, you are the one being fooled.

Angel: a being of unbound love, love that cannot be typically copied by another being. In other words, you will know an angel when you see one, which you obviously haven't.

Sorry to be harsh but somebody had to break it to you. I have been in practice for years, I know what I am doing.
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« Reply #153 on: August 10, 2004, 07:05:23 »

If you want to read more about satanism and he ministry which I belong to please visit www.joyofsatan.com
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« Reply #154 on: August 10, 2004, 08:40:54 »

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If you want to read more about satanism and he ministry which I belong to please visit www.joyofsatan.com



lol...joyofsatan...

[}:)][Cheesy][}:)][Cheesy][}:)][Cheesy][}:)]

PS. take no offence but satan stuff tends to crack me up Wink
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« Reply #155 on: August 10, 2004, 08:49:20 »

QUOTE FROM SITE:

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One's relationship with Satan/Lucifer is up to the individual, as Satanism values free thought and individuality.

Satan is the bringer of knowledge. The goal of Spiritual Satanism is to apply this knowledge. Spiritual Satanists do not just talk the talk about becoming a God; we work at it every day. Satan and his Demons guide us to use abilities we never even knew we had. We accomplish this through power meditation.




I suggest you go with your own code of ethics. That took me literally 3 seconds to find. You, a practitioner, apparently didn't even know about this.

The being those people are actually worshipping is Samuel, an archdemon. Samuel in of himself is not evil. He is like acid to us though. Acid should not be touched, but it is not evil.

EDIT: This might sound harsh, but you need to try actually understanding what you are looking at instead of taking things literally. True enlightenment is understanding, not littering your mind with crappy dogma.
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« Reply #156 on: August 10, 2004, 11:12:23 »

I think if you take a bit of time to read about on the site, you will see that we certainly do not consider ourselves to be worshippers of the “arch-demon sammael” who was by the way, not an Arch Angel but the leader of the seraphim. For run-down of our beliefs; we do not believe in a supreme, almighty, omnipresent God. We Believe in Satan, obviously, as a real being, which is what distinguishes us from modern or LaVeyan Satanists who are for the most part atheists. We do not believe in Heaven above, hell below. We are not the flip-side of Christianity. We believe Satan and the Demons for that matter, to exist physically, on another planet, which we mostly refer to as hell or Duat. We do not believe “Heaven” to be a metaphysical realm, either. We believe it to be physical domain, another planet, just as hell is. We do not usually refer to it as heaven, we usually refer to it as Nibiru, which is the 12th planet of the solar system, which only passes through orbit once every thousand years, if my memory serves me correctly. It has Gold in its atmosphere which keeps it so warm as it is so far away from the Sun. This initially caused the inhabitants of Nibiru to travel to earth in order to mine gold from Africa. The first nephalim or anunaki to reach earth was Enki, which is Satan. The nephalim/Annunaki who followed were intitially used as miners, but then Enki developed a more efficient worker by mixing annunaki DNA with that of a homo-erectus, forming a homo-sapein. The nephilim and homo-sapiens formed a close bond, eventually the mines were no longer needed, the nephalim were worshipped by the homo-sapiens in ancient civilisations, namedly sumeria/bablyon/akkadin and later on Egypt. The Annunaki gave homo-sapiens the substance to become as Gods. The enemy Gods later flooded the earth, however Enki, in disguise, managed to tell Zusudria what to do in order to keep his family alive. There was huge debate over destroying the human race, the Nephilim who had been living on earth were close to homo-sapiens and wanted them to become as Gods, they did not want to kill them at all, however other Nephilim just wanted to destroy them because the job was done. All of civilisation comes from the inspiration of the Nephilim. Humans obviously survived the flood and civilisation flourished, and there were Nephilim on the earth after the flood. The Nephilim who stood up for humanity were outnumbered and cast out of Nibiru by the enemy in a war. The Hebrews, who worshipped the enemy gods, came out of Africa, and eventually formed a mono-theistic religion which held that the young and arrogant Jehovah is omniscient, omnipresent, all-seeing, all-knowing almighty God, which is a downright lie. Christianity obviously developed much further down the line, and much of the libraries, information and monument to the old gods were sacked, pillaged and burnt in an effort to destroy all ties with them. They were degraded as “devils and demons”.  There are literally billions of beings that make up the enemy; Gods, “angels”, also reptilians and Grays are allied.
A subject of criticism with the Joy of Satan has been the connection with Zechariah Sitchin, who is notorisuly criticised as being a terrible scholar. Zechariah Sitchin is not 100% correct and we do not claim he is, there are a lot of problems with his work. The above mentioned stuff about the flood, the mining, nibiru etc is taken from Sumerian mythology, and Sitchin has an extra-terrestrial god theory surrounding this. However, we list Sitchin as reference material and recommended reading, high priestess Maxine, the founder of JOS ministries, did not read Sitchin’s work and think “hey, I am going to make a religion out of this”. The tenants of the JOS evolved out of Maxine’s contact and interaction with Satan and the Demons, which is where all the information primarily comes from, Sitchin just comes reasonably close to the truth. As you quoted spectral dragon, Satan respects free choice and individuality, he does not force himself on anybody (even though I may seem a little pushy and forthright at times, obviously I am not Satan). We come to Satan out of free choice, and initially because we can relate to his cause and feel love for Satan and a true connection with him. We do not come to him with out indoctrination or fear. As Satanists we work hard in developing ourselves spiritually and developing the power of the mind. We do summon Demons and our method of Demonic summoning is detailed on the sight. We use the Goetia as a list of the Demons or the Gods, but we do not use the spiritually abusive methods of the lesser/greater key of Solomon with nine-foot protective circles and using enemy god names. Treat demons with respect and reverence, particularly in the early days. Our Goetia is slightly different to the lesser/greater key of Solomon. Maxine and other hp’s have worked hard at perfecting it, communicating personally and directly with the demons to find out the correct information and have successfully freed ALL of the Demons from the curses of the Enemy gods, and now that they are liberated it is advised that if you do use the spiritually abusive methods of the lesser/greater key of Solomon, there is effectively nothing stopping them from breaking down the barrier and killing you. They are extremely powerful and could accidentally kill you from must appearing to you. A physical, full body apparition would, for a normal person, throw you back to a wall, a Demon could burn a person’s skin back to their bone with their bioelectricity. The Gods are NOT just a more intelligent/advanced extraterrestrials, as they are extremely adept in the powers of the mind and can easily influence the environment around them. They can bend the universe at their will, and can leave their body any time to travel somewhere else in the universe. To manifest themselves physically they must use energies which is why you need to be powerful for a full-bodied apparition. Many of us have had wonderful experiences with the Gods. When we are very new we usually use a pendulum or Ouija board however obviously these are not the best methods of communicating. At this stage we usually keep practising with hit and miss methods etc in order to be able to get good readings. Eventually we can just suspend the pendulum from something and it will move or we can take the hands of the planchette with a Ouija board and it can move by itself, but when we become experienced we usually just communicate with demons telepathically or just Summon them. Meditation and awakenings, and hatha, aura work, charka and aura empowerment are all key elements in advancing ourselves. A lot of us do one our of meditations a day at the least. Spiritual warfare is very real and we are a part of this, being dedicated to Satan’s cause is not a walk through Disney land. We do not have any mediators, we advise personal communication with father and the demons, which is the first priority relying on outside information. We have guardian demons (which is not the flip-side of a guardian Angel) that work with us and many of us have been to “hell” by the astral, as well as many other places in the universe, even enemy domains. Many of us have also seen the past and even the (probable) future by the astral. Demons can induce wonderful astral experiences and adventures.
We have all been under attack from the enemy, this is not always subtle. Many high priests and priestesses have been attacked physically by Angels and other undesirables, they have also seen the enemy bribe, threaten and even down-right plea to them in an effort to stop their workings and join them, this was happening a lot around the time they were doing energy workings and freeing the Demons.
Demons are NOT negatives and they are not evil. They are extremely powerful and intelligent and very knowledgeable in variety of areas, most of them specialise in particular areas. They are teachers of ethics, honour and truth are very important to them. Honour, sincerity and ethics are also very important to Satan. They have not caused chaos, dread, terror, for any of us, they have never had motives to screw us over or harm us. As you can probably understand, I find it hard to believe Satan is like acid to touch as I and many of have found comfort and peace and enlightenment with him and felt his love.

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« Reply #157 on: August 10, 2004, 13:12:44 »

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I think if you take a bit of time to read about on the site, you will see that we certainly do not consider ourselves to be worshippers of the “arch-demon sammael” who was by the way, not an Arch Angel but the leader of the seraphim.


Dogmatic bullsh*&, PROVE IT. I astral project and talk to beings, do you? I don't need a cult religion to tell me what is right and what is wrong. We have brains, I chose to use mine.

BTW: I have taken the time to read a bit on the site. It's full of dogma and more of the same, I see no proof whatsoever for the claims on that site.
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« Reply #158 on: August 11, 2004, 06:04:31 »

I’m sorry – you want me to prove that we are do not consider ourselves worshippers of the “arch-demon sammael”? We don’t consider ourselves to be worshippers of Sammael the ex-leader of the seraphim either, but considering you’re throwing around kabbalistic names like “sammael” that I should probably tell you that the kabbalistic figure sammael was meant to be the leader of the seraphim.
“you cannot prove anything on those pages”
How does one prove what we say we do on those pages? Can you prove that you "astral project and talk to beings"? Not anymore then I could.
Anyway what do you classify as a “cult” which you’ve so boldly described the JOS ministries as and how does the JOS fit that criteria?
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« Reply #159 on: August 11, 2004, 08:49:08 »

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I’m sorry – you want me to prove that we are do not consider ourselves worshippers of the “arch-demon sammael”? We don’t consider ourselves to be worshippers of Sammael the ex-leader of the seraphim either, but considering you’re throwing around kabbalistic names like “sammael” that I should probably tell you that the kabbalistic figure sammael was meant to be the leader of the seraphim.
“you cannot prove anything on those pages”
How does one prove what we say we do on those pages? Can you prove that you "astral project and talk to beings"? Not anymore then I could.
Anyway what do you classify as a “cult” which you’ve so boldly described the JOS ministries as and how does the JOS fit that criteria?




I've proved my worth to individuals before. Sam, Sentential, Cube, ect are witness to that.

This argument is going nowhere.
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« Reply #160 on: August 11, 2004, 17:46:15 »

My friend, Ive been drug through the muck. Ive seen where it grows. However nice and peachy they paint it out to be, do not belive them.

I follow no religion, only what I think is right. My view on the concept of Lucifer and those like him, I stand by it.

I could give a rat's a** about names or that stuff. I go by concepts. Lucifer is a betrayer, a liar, and a murderer. That very concept alone makes me dispise him.

I know your feelings on this matter, but please try to look inside yourself. Ive been through some horrible experiences, so has my friend. Do not be like us, dont play with fire. You *will* get burned.
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« Reply #161 on: August 12, 2004, 08:00:25 »

I HAVE looked inside myself – it was looking inside myself which caused me to come to Satan in the first place. What causes you to believe Lucifer is a liar, a murderer and a betrayer in the first place?
If you think he is so terrible why not look at Jehovah – it is he who demands blood sacrifice. Human and animal sacrifice, cannibalism, vampirism, mass murder. Look at all he has murdered, in the deluge, with his wretched plagues. But can you find a single instance in your trusty buybull where Satan murders anybody? Or actually lies?
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« Reply #162 on: August 12, 2004, 09:34:54 »

I feel that you are overly focused on folk tales and symbols which were eventually misinterpreted by the masses.  Satan was more so a symbol of man's temptation and dark side than anything.  Yahweh was an incorrect, amalgated version created by combining the term Yud-Heh-Vahd-heh (a term refering to the four elements of the divine, the tetra-polar aspect of the universe) with term Adonai (lord).  As often happens, the common people conceptualized all of this as anthromorphic gods, while the few priests who were initiated into the secret mysteries knew better.

Lucifer, or Samael, is not exactly the same thing as Satan.  Archdemons are not human, and human evil should not be applied to their actions.

Mythological beings and the folktales which grow up around them can be interesting, but trying to create some ill-informed ministery around it will never help anyone.  You come off as being a Christian, except that your Gods have been switched around.  Look closely at your posts and you will see what I mean.
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« Reply #163 on: August 12, 2004, 12:43:28 »

I agree with LOTB. I am not myself Xtaian and choose not to be. But frankly what I would consider demons are scary people. I sense a great deal of hatred within you. Despite how oyu feel, negs only view you as lunch.

Keep that in mind.
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« Reply #164 on: August 13, 2004, 05:35:30 »

“I sense a great deal of hate within you”

You’re kidding yourself. Oh, but of course I must have a great deal of hatred in me, I am a Satanist [V]

“agree with LOTB. I am not myself Xtaian and choose not to be. But frankly what I would consider demons are scary people. I sense a great deal of hatred within you. Despite how oyu feel, negs only view you as lunch.”

The word demon is the classic latin form of the modern latin word Daemon, which is a translation of the word daimon, which is a greek word, refering to an intelligent spirit not as powerful as a god but more powerful then men. In the original jewish texts, the gods worshipped by ancient civilisations were “lords”, “idols”, or “hairy men”. They were said to be fallen angels, they were more powerful then the men who worshipped them but not as powerful as “God”. Thus, it was translated as Daimon. The English editions also translated it as devils or fiends. Such “demons” were the gods worshipped by the philistines, Babylonians etc, so gods like baal, ishtar/innana, etc.
If you do not consider yourself to be a Christian, why do you believe in the concept of these so-called evil “demons” and “lucifer”? “Demons” were also meant to be the spirits at work in spirit mediumship, fortune telling, witchcraft, and all forms of spirituality. They were meant to be seductive so they weren’t meant to terrorise people or appear to be negative. If you believe so called “Demons” and “lucifer” to be evil beings, then you believe in the Christian concept of demons and lucifer, which means you believe them to be deceptive spirits who are behind all forms of spirituality, magick, paganism and the occult, which means you would abstain from these practices. Someone put it well in the topic “do not invoke lucifer” (or it might have been “a word for the so-called Christians”), Jehova condemns magick because he wants you to put all your energy into praying to him. He does not want you to become powerful or use psychic energy because he and the angels want it ALL to themselves. Killing and death keep release a lot of energy which is what the three main RHP religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity) cause a lot of. These provide enough souls to feed on after these people die, and it also is leading to the destruction of humanity and is keeping everyone fighting. Occultists who work with angelic beings and Jehova are there to be fed off on the spot.
All of these white lighters, new agers, wiccans, and “high magick” practitioners, are not allowed to practice black magick. One of the most important developments in liberation during medi-evil times was the long bow. It meant a group of knights could not just walk into a town of peasants and rape, pillage and steal whatever they want and torch the whole place. Get it?
Look at my last post on the previous page and you will see what I am talking about when I use the word “Demon”, I’m not talking about “negs”. A neg can be anything, a base level spirit that’s being negative towards someone, a negative thought-form, etc.

“Yahweh was an incorrect, amalgated version created by combining the term Yud-Heh-Vahd-heh (a term refering to the four elements of the divine, the tetra-polar aspect of the universe) with term Adonai (lord). As often happens, the common people conceptualized all of this as anthromorphic gods, while the few priests who were initiated into the secret mysteries knew better.”
The god "yaweh/jehova's" name was inserted, replacing the names of many other Gods. "Jehova" is fictitious. The name "Jehova" was stolen from the Roman God "Jove." "The pious Dr. Parkhurst. . . proves, from the authority of Diodorus Siculus, Varro, St. Augustine, etc., that the Iao, Jehova, or ieue, or ie of the Jews was the Jove of the Latins and Etruscans..." "YHWH/IEUE was additionally the Egyptian Sun God Ra: Ra was the father in heaven, who has the title of 'Huhi' the eternal, from which the Hebrews derived the name 'Ihuh.'" "Jewish mystical tradition viewed the original Jehova as an androgyne, his/her name compounded as Jah (jod) and the pre-hebraic name of Eve, Havah, or Hawah, rendered he-vau-he in Hebrew letters. The four letters together made the sacred tetragrammaton, YHWH, the secret name of God..."

This excerpt was taken from Encyclopedia Britannica, 1973 edition, Volume 15, entry "MOLOCH." Page 674:
"The diety to whom child sacrifice was offered was Yaweh, the chief; and for normative Hebrew religion, the only--god of the nation, honored in this connection as "the king." So repulsive was this abnormal practice, largely confined to the apostatizing reigns of Ahaz (II Kings xvi, 3) and Manasseh (II Kings xxi, 6), that the later Hebrews transformed the divine title associated with it into the artificial name Moloch, as though the sacrifices had indeed been offered to a foreign god."

”Satan was more so a symbol of man's temptation and dark side than anything.”

Satan is meant to be a hebrew word meaning adversary. It was used to describe many adversaries to the Jews and certain biblical figures. “Lucifer” was the name of a lesser roman god, it was applied to Sammael, supposedly a fallen angel from heaven. He was given the name satan when he became the “dark lord” or whatever you call it. A lot of people argue that there is no one diabolical word called satan, it simply means adversary, it’s a typo. This obviously isn’t the case considering there are several instances where the word satan is used to describe an adversary in the Hebrew texts, which have been translated, but the being called satan has stayed the same. This is because it’s given name was satan, regardless of what the word means. It is also meant to be a real being, not a representation, as you will see if you read what’s said about satan the being, particulary in the new testament. He is the ruler of the spiritual world, the “dark lord” behind magick, witchcraft, spirit mediumship, everything to do with the occult.
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« Reply #165 on: August 13, 2004, 05:53:27 »

Deuteronomy 12:27
And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.
Exodus 22:29 “Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.”
Ezekiel 20:25-26 “Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good and judgments whereby they should not live; “
20:26 “And I polluted them in their own gifts in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.”
II Samuel 21 is another example of blood sacrifice to appease Jehova when the Israelites faced famine.
21:6 Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the Lord in Gib’e-ah of Saul, whom the Lord did choose.
21:9 And he delivered them into the hands of the Gib’e-on-ites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.
21:10 And Riz’pah the daughter of A-i’ah took sackcloth, and spread it for her upon the rock, from the beginning of harvest until water dropped upon them out of heaven, and suffered neither the birds of the air to rest on them by day, nor the beasts of the field by night.
When seven men are murdered in cold blood in order to appease Jehova in hopes that he will end a famine, it can only be called human blood sacrifice.

Numbers 31:25 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
31:26 Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:
31:27 And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:
31:28 And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:
31:29 Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.
31:30 And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.
31:31 And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
31:32 And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
31:33 And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
31:34 And threescore and one thousand asses,
31:35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
31:36 And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
31:37 And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
31:38 And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and twelve.
31:39 And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and one.
31:40 And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.
This excerp was taken from "The Handbook of Jewish Knowledge" by Nathan Ausubel ©1964; pages 302-303
"Jephthah, one of the ruler judges following the conquest of Canaan, had sacrificed his only daughter to the God of Israel in a celebration of a military victory against the Ammonites; Samuel "the seer" had hacked in a sacrificial manner the body of Agag before God; David, the sensitive poet king had handed the seven sons of Saul to the Gibeonites "to hang them up unto God."
An example of this can be seen below, how the verse was changed in Judges 11:39.
In the others, the human has been replaced with a "lamb."
Judges 11:34
And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
11:35
And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.
11:36
And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
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And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
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And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
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And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
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That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

CANNIBALISM:
Deuteronomy 28:53
And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
28:54
So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
28:55
So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
28:56
The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
28:57
And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
28:58
If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE RITUAL SLAUGHTER OF ANIMALS AS WELL:

Exodus 20:24
An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
Exodus 24:4
And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
24:5
And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.
24:6
And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
24:7
And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.
24:8
And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.
More instructions from jehova for blood sacrifice:
Exodus 23:18
Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread; neither shall the fat of my sacrifice remain until the morning.
Exodus 29:10 And thou shalt cause a bullock to be brought before the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the bullock.
29:11
And thou shalt kill the bullock before the LORD, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
29:12
And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar.
29:13
And thou shalt take all the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul that is above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and burn them upon the altar.
29:14
But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.
29:15
Thou shalt also take one ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram.
29:16
And thou shalt slay the ram, and thou shalt take his blood, and sprinkle it round about upon the altar.
29:17
And thou shalt cut the ram in pieces, and wash the inwards of him, and his legs, and put them unto his pieces, and unto his head.
29:18
And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the LORD: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
29:19
And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram.
29:20
Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.
29:21
And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
29:22
Also thou shalt take of the ram the fat and the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is upon them, and the right shoulder; for it is a ram of consecration:
29:23
And one loaf of bread, and one cake of oiled bread, and one wafer out of the basket of the unleavened bread that is before the LORD:
29:24
And thou shalt put all in the hands of Aaron, and in the hands of his sons; and shalt wave them for a wave offering before the LORD.
29:25
And thou shalt receive them of their hands, and burn them upon the altar for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour before the LORD: it is an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
29:26
And thou shalt take the breast of the ram of Aaron's consecration, and wave it for a wave offering before the LORD: and it shall be thy part.
29:27
And thou shalt sanctify the breast of the wave offering, and the shoulder of the heave offering, which is waved, and which is heaved up, of the ram of the consecration, even of that which is for Aaron, and of that which is for his sons:
29:28
And it shall be Aaron's and his sons' by a statute for ever from the children of Israel: for it is an heave offering: and it shall be an heave offering from the children of Israel of the sacrifice of their peace offerings, even their heave offering unto the LORD.
29:29
And the holy garments of Aaron shall be his sons' after him, to be anointed therein, and to be consecrated in them.
29:30
And that son that is priest in his stead shall put them on seven days, when he cometh into the tabernacle of the congregation to minister in the holy place.
29:31
And thou shalt take the ram of the consecration, and seethe his flesh in the holy place.
Leviticus Chapter 1
1:1
And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
1:2
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.
1:3
If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
1:4
And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
1:5
And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
1:6
And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.
1:7
And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:
1:8
And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:
1:9
But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of "a sweet savour unto the LORD".
1:10
And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.
1:11
And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar.
1:12
And he shall cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat: and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:
1:13
But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
1:14
And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons.
1:15
And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar:
1:16
And he shall pluck away his crop with his feathers, and cast it beside the altar on the east part, by the place of the ashes:
1:17
And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
Leviticus Chapter 7
7:1
Likewise this is the law of the trespass offering: it is most holy.
7:2
In the place where they kill the burnt offering shall they kill the trespass offering: and the blood thereof shall he sprinkle round about upon the altar.
7:3
And he shall offer of it all the fat thereof; the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards,
7:4
And the two kidneys, and the fat that is on them, which is by the flanks, and the caul that is above the liver, with the kidneys, it shall he take away:
7:5
And the priest shall burn them upon the altar for an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a trespass offering.
Leviticus 7:14
And of it he shall offer one out of the whole oblation for an heave offering unto the LORD, and it shall be the priest's that sprinkleth the blood of the peace offerings.
THE "LORD" NEEDS EVERY DROP OF THAT BLOOD FROM THE BLOOD SACRIFICE:
Leviticus 7:27
Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
Here, more blood sacrifice is needed to remove the curse of leprosy jehova has inflicted:
Leviticus 14:34

When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;
14:49
And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
14:50
And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
14:51
And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
14:52
And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
14:53
But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
14:54
This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,
14:55
And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,
14:56
And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:
14:57
To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.
Leviticus 8:14- 32
Leviticus 9:1- 24
Leviticus 14:1- 5
Leviticus 14:12-28
Leviticus 23:12-21
Numbers 19:1- 7
Joshua Chapter 10- Nothing but mass murder
Judges 1:1- 18 More bloodbaths and mass murder
Judges 3:27- 31

These verses are not misinterpretations of anything. They are of the old testament, which is written in Hebrew, the original Hebrew version of the old testament is still intact in the jewish torah. All of these verses are present.
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« Reply #166 on: August 13, 2004, 15:23:21 »

Well said, though I don't think it really matters to anyone what you belevie as long as you don't try to force this on other people then they really couldn't care less, but when you try to cram it down there througts that this is right and they are wrong they are going to fight back, so a friendly disscusion is fine as long as you can view the points objectivly and not with force, which I have noticed with you also SD, though I am sure you are tired of people BSing you please, try to remain calm.
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« Reply #167 on: August 13, 2004, 21:55:55 »

Beings called angels and devils, only exist in judeao/christianity
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« Reply #168 on: August 14, 2004, 00:10:49 »

You can call them by whatever means you want. A name is somthing that gives defination.

And belive me when I say, that I know "demons" / "negs" or whatever quite well. On a level that I wish I never got to. Trust me when I say this. Those "things" are not nice at all.

I really wish I could convey my thoughts in a mannor in which you would not discredit it.

As everyone will tell you. I have been put through qute alot. I finally am begining to get to the bottom of things. I know I cannot change your thoughts, but I do want to atleast give the suggestion of it.

"Demons" are not your friend. They are something to be both feared and loathed. The amout of emotional damage they can cause cannot be summed up in words.

I would implore you to see more constructive thoughts. Following for blind hatred will bring you and others inimaginable pain.

And yes, you do have such hatred in your heart. I understand. Im not sure where it lies, because I have not spoken with you other than these posts. Whether it lies with trying to be unique, rebellion or just hate in general.

Either way, you will find only suffering in a demon's arms. Trust me... I found out the hard way. Even tho my pact was from a great number of life times ago, I still am paying the price for it. Only after a number of horribly bitter years and constand struggle with negs, have they begun to let me go. My new and real guide is helping to finish off the process.

Hopefully my bonds will be broken very soon indeed
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« Reply #169 on: August 14, 2004, 00:58:07 »

Some might be interested to note here that "Angels" are not judeo/christian in origin. It's just that christianity & judeism seem to have 'cornered the market' on angels so to speak.

The word "angel" comes from the Greek  word "anglos", which, like the hebrew word "mala'ak", simply means "messenger". Christians have no more rights to ownership of angels than any other religion. They are higher order spirit beings and do not belong to any one religion. They work as messengers and guides for those who's hearts desire to evolve spiritually.

What amuses me is that it seems far more non-christian people work directly with angels than christians. Possibly because they don't have religious dogma getting in the way.

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« Reply #170 on: August 14, 2004, 01:20:12 »

No, you are deluded, do not tell me what is in my heart. I am me, therefore I know myself more then someone on the other side of the world posting messages on an internet forum. How can you say I am following a path of blind hatred? You are relying off ignorance as your definition of Satanism and the left hand path. You can not tell me anything about different forms of Satanism and what it is about. People are not willing to listen or learn, as my last post on the previous page outlined our beliefs, which have been largely ignored. I left the link for the ministry, for someone who is interested and wants to read about it, for whatever purpose. However, all I got was bull*** about it, because none of you actually bothered to read it, and of course you do not have to but if you are going to drop sweeping comments about it, at least have the courtesy to KNOW what you are talking about. LOTB claimed that it is a ministry built around “mythology, folk tales and misconception”.
“I don’t need a cult like religion to tell me what is right or wrong” – I’m not even going to touch that one. What are your beliefs and ethics, morals based off? I don’t think I need to elaborate. Anyway, the JOS does not tell anyone what to do, what to believe and what is right or wrong. It is not a cult – it is the official website of the joy of satan ministries, founded by high priestess Maxine dietrich, it is a source of information for those interested in the ministry, who want to learn more about it, or those who want to be Satanists or have felt drawn to Satan. http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/FREETHOUGHT.html this sermon speaks for itself.
Satan and the high ranking demons are far older then “jehova” and other such gods. Satan is roughly 500,000 years old. They have been worshipped by the earliest civilisations of man, look at the key of Solomon, it’s a list of so-called “demons”. They are all pagan gods of ancient civilisations, and no, they were never “3vil!!!1111” or “dark gods”. They predate Christianity by thousands of years.
I already explained the origin of the word demon and why it has been applied to these original gods.
If you want to know about Angels, don’t rely off new age authors or any of that, maybe you should go straight to the source, they are not meant to beings of boundless, unconditional love. They are biblical figures and if this was the case, they would not be agents of plague, famine, mass murder and war.
You see, you can’t really equate “angels” with the “good gods” of paganism and demons with the “bad gods” of paganism because demons are a Christian concept, and demons are meant to be, pagan gods, meaning both “good gods” and “bad gods” would be demons.  Good and evil dualism exists in many religions, however the good and evil beings of these religions still have very little to do with the Judaeo-Christian Islamic concepts of angels and demons.
Yes sentinental, I’ve read of your experiences. Screaming in the middle of the night as a child and such, its really not that uncommon, this happened to me as a child as well, it’s a phenomena called night mares that all children and adults alike experience. And Just because an astral entity makes you feel uneasy or disturbs you in someway doesn’t mean its “the d3vil!!!!11111” or “omfg d3mons!!!1111”. There are people in real life who can disturb you in some way or make you feel uneasy, that doesn’t make them Judea Christian demons or “the devil”. Your proposition that demons can only cause negativity and lead you nowhere contradicts the experiences of roughly 1000 people that I know of, and of course there are many more then that. If that was true then the JOS would probably never exist, and there would be no successful members in the ministry, the high priests and priestesses have successfully freed ALL of the gods of the goetia from the curses and bindings of the enemy.
With negative thought forms, psychic vampires, angry or upset spirits, however, it might be a different story, but that is not what we are dealing with here.
With those situations, its probably best to actually try and help the distressed individual instead of selfishly insulting, slandering and threatening them which will only make the situation worse.
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« Reply #171 on: August 14, 2004, 02:11:50 »

If you're interested in the gods and goddesses which modern Goetic "demons" are based upon(as well as the entities which modern conceptions of archangels are based), thats fine, but in that case insisting on calling it Satanism is rather pointless.  If you dislike Christianity, why base the name for your beliefs on a name which originally stood for something entirelly different than what it does now?  IMO you are overly wrapped up in words.  A common definition of demons I have seen is that they are aspects of the human-group mind that have seperated and incarnated independantly.  They are indeed very malicious, and form what might be thought of as the dark side of our greater selves.  These are the entities which inflict much woe on mankind, and it does not make much difference whether you call them demons or tinkle winkle fairies, they are what they are, quite independant of human philosophies.

However, I have been able to establish a connection with the aspects of the archangels evoked in the LBRP, and they are indeed loving beings.  Basking in their energy is quite a joyful experience.
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« Reply #172 on: August 14, 2004, 03:28:38 »

Once again I agree with LOB. As I had said before. I know what I saw, and I know what they represent. You are entitled to your opinion. Diversity is what keeps us from becoming fundamentalists.

Desipte what you say, there is a great deal of anger from you and your posts. I never acused you of being dillusion. I only warned, and asked to look within yourself for anwsers.

I have a friend who was a hard-line Satanist. He spoke of the things you have. After talking with him for several weeks he saw how it was destroying his life, and in turn abandoned it.

I myself am not Xtian, in fact I believe them to be the bane of our existence. Conventional religion in general is a horrible thing. Too often does greed and power dillute and destroy a once beautiful thing.

I think LOB will agree with what I say. The "archangles" as some like to call them, dispise how it was tainted. The reason why we have yet to see them is because we as a whole have become closed minded to the point in which they would rather not speak. In their eyes the ones that matter can freely speak with them whenever they choose to. However most of the thing that they would say can be found from our guides.

Much like my words <sadly> the "angel's" true word falls on deaf ears[Sad] In time I hope, you will see that I speak the truth.

Now as for my "nightmares", I dont paint quite the picture I should. Ive had the "gift" all my life. I know perfectally well what I saw. I am not going to go into detail, but know that there are forces out there that scare even me to death.
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« Reply #173 on: August 14, 2004, 09:04:18 »

It’s not as simple as that, LOTB. For a start, those gods and goddesses predate Christianity by a far throw. They are physical beings, and in fact came to earth, from another planet. Not all of the Gods in the Goetia are Sumerian. Thoth, Azael, Ashteroth, horus, etc are not Sumerian. Some of the Sumerian deities however, were worshipped in later civilisations under different names. Enki led the first nephilim to Earth, a supreme diety of sumeria, he is a water god, but he is much more then that. He created humans, by mixing homo-erectus DNA with nephilim DNA. Sumerian mythology is actually very detailed, describing space craft, mines, the creation of humans, lots of things. Yes, the Enki originally created man as a slave worker, because before nephilim were mining all the god (I explained in another post why they needed this), but the Nephilim became very attached to humans, and made several advancements, eventually the goal was to make them fully as Gods. Other gods simply wanted to destroy the humans after the project was finished and wanted to keep them simple, they did not want them to advance. Enki exposed them as liars, giving the more knowledge, the ability to become as gods, advancing them further (fruit of knowledge in the garden of eden, the serpent). The earth was flooded, as you know, and Enki told zusudria how to survive, disguising this by talking to him with a reed screen between them. There isn’t actually one being called Yahweh, there are many of them. These are, in truth, enemies of humanity. They initially wanted to wipe everyone out with the deluge, but a family survived, and this was after the “tree of knowledge” incident. Before the flood the nephilim took human women as wives, and had intercourse with them,  to advance humans them once more (the offspring). These were basically super males (really tall, really strong), but with powerful minds.
These got wiped out in the flood.
As you might of already guessed the biblical figure Satan is Enki. Satan is described as “the lord of this world”, “the prince of the earth”, Enki literally means “Lord of the earth”. The reason why its called Satanism, LOTB, is because Enki IS “satan” the original gods are the “demons” and they are in spiritual warfare with Yahweh. As you know the Hebrews came out of Egypt, the enemy gods were originally desert tribal gods. The Egyptian God “Ptah” is “Enki”. As you know thoth and horus were Egyptian gods. The Egyptian concept of “heaven” (obviously they didn’t call it that) is Satan/Ptah/Enki’s kingdom.

Just out of interest, which goetic demons are considered "arch-angels" by you new age people?
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« Reply #174 on: August 14, 2004, 14:14:34 »

Once again, your replies are ridden with statements like "you people" and so forth. The negs are trying to create a sort of disconnect within you, to make you feel seperated, or above the rest of us.

My guide tells me that "they" are very well aware of human histroy, and choose names to present themselves in a mannor in which the population as whole will have somthing to identify themselves as.

Ive heard of the sumarian history and several other, and am quite facinated by it. However I dont see a cooleration between satan and them.

Once again, if anything, Satan would be Seth, not Ptah. Mentions of evil goat like figures <and yes I know why a goat> do pre-date humanity.

However, it you truly feel happy and you are helping other progress themselves to find better and more fruitful lives, so be it. If this is the case, the one you call "Satan" is not him. You are reveraing somone else.

Now as for the archangles, most typically go by what the bible uses. However everone who is in contact with them, make very clear that the bible is only half true, and that there are quite a few more.
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