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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2004, 05:36:09 »

From the manner I see you research, SD, I am done speaking in regards of this topic.

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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2004, 05:46:21 »

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From the manner I see you research, SD, I am done speaking in regards of this topic.

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Good, but remember your "ra" and your "cassiopeans" seem to do things in the same manner. Also note that you seem to have made your decision before I was finished. I am going super critical on my own Mediations as well you will soon see.

I would also have you note that you have followed the same pattern when trying to bash my mediations BlackBox. Are you saying it's ok for you do reason that way and not for me?
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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2004, 05:46:21 »

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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2004, 11:59:00 »

First time I saw this thread and read it's questions AND answers
I got a 'clicking' feelings that yes this is right.

I've also read other channelings and they do not seem that correct and accurate. But this one really astonished me because it was
pretty much down to Earth answers and no flying in meta-space.

Then I wanted to test this out and asked some questions firstly
about personal matters and then about some other matters, this
time I REALLY got surprised.

I had a hard time writing any questions because all the questions
I wrote I got an answer the second I thought about this. First I
thought the answer came from my subconsciousness, then I started
digging a bit into this and noticed that no they came from a part
of myself. (I've before also gotten answers like this but only from
an ancient friend that I've known for an eternity)

Also this had a specific feel to it. Then when I saw the answers
to the questions I got flooded with images and feelings regarding
the answer. These came also from the same source, which was a
part of myself.

To every personal question I got this but not to questions that
didn't directly have to do with myself.

The special thing about the answers were that they seemed to fit
very very accurately. Almost like they had been specifically tailored
for my own being.

But still every answer goes through SDs own filtering system so they
get a bit altered, but Michael can probably foresee very well the
'impact' of his answers on SD so that it comes out pretty accurately.

Please do also note that this is only a PART of Michael.
Probably a very small part.

I find it a bit funny to read the fears of other people in this thread, firstly you probably don't know a minor part of SDs own
experience in this. Secondly you only interpret the answers through
the internet and through text format so no all the subconscious impressions are gone from that too. A bit like saying that you
know someone from having chatted with him/her for a couple of years,
without seeing him/her in person [Cheesy]
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2004, 12:00:26 »

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TAKE CHANNELINGS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.


No, I think channeling should be taken as being something useful, but only if some element of trustworthyness is shown.

Learn to trust, but after you know who or what you're channeling is genuine. Otherwise all you will do is forever be caught up in arguments between believers and doubters

As an example given by an author on the subject - Ted Andrews:

"Many channelers incorrectly believe that they are in true contact with a particular being or master. For example, a person who channels Jesus may not truly be channeling Jesus. This may only be what he or she is capable of understanding that energy to be.
It is as close as he or she can get to defining it. This isn't wrong in and of itself, but it is misleading. It indicates the need for a great deal of spiritual knowledge and maturity before ever placing yourself in a position of channeling and counselling for others."

So, the thing here is to KNOW both who and what the being you are channeling is. You need to build up the skills of mediumship under the guidance of another experienced medium who can act as a teacher, and give you confirmation of what it is you are seeing and hearing.

Without "real world" confirmation of another with experience in such matters when you are learning, you are liable to fall foul of being distracted or misguided by either your own ego, or other beings who's intentions are to misguide. Such beings need not be out to drain you of your energy, they might just crave contact with the living, and employ subtle tricks to keep you hooked.

The latter has happened to me. Whether the being I was in contact with was such a being, or whether it was simply my own ego driven imagination I'll never know, but frankly, I don't care. The distraction was exposed for what it was and I am free of it. I now have been shown a true guide - a teacher, who I am not only familiar with from her words within my mind, and the visions she brings to me in meditations, she has been seen and/or has spoken with three other people I know with mediumistic talents, one of which has been a medium for many years and is highly proficient.

Because if this I KNOW and I TRUST my guide as being a genuine source of knowledge. If someone were to ask me questions of my guide, though I am still in the early stages of developing as a medium and would not willingly take on such a position, I would at least know my guide is real, and I would let that person know how and why I know this to be true - that others have witnessed my guide.

There will always be those who will be sceptical of such things, and many of them in their stubbornness will never be convinced. But for those that are inclined to believe, I feel a channeler has a duty to explain how they know the being they are in contact with is genuine.

Spectral Dragon,
With that in mind I would ask you  - how can you assure the people here that you are indeed speaking with the archangel Michael?
Have you had one or more experienced mediums who have witnessed that you are indeed in contact with him? Or can you show us that you have the training and proficiency as a medium that should be required of someone who wishes to publicly channel such a being?

These are genuine questions and a genuine answer would be much appreciated, as it would be refreshing and valuable to the AP site to have someone here who is indeed communicating with the real McCoy.

Unfortunately a lot of the channelings on this site so far have left much to be desired. After telling her about this site, A skilled, well trained and highly proficient medium that I am in regular contact with came on to this site out of curiosity, and she reviewed a lot of the channelings here, only to conclude that most was pure ego only, not even some kind of connection with lower astral beings.

The reason for most of this I feel is because after Mayatnik's great dissertation on the usage of a pendulum, many people were mistakenly lead to believe that after a few hours practice with the tool with absolutely no guidance, such as they might find in proper mediumship classes, they now qualify as channelers.

The same question I ask Spectral Dragon I would ask to anyone who believes they are channeling some being, or know someone who is - please show us what qualifies you or them to provide this level of channeling and has anyone else witnessed the beings you or they are in contact with.

For those that can honestly say yes to these questions, please carry on, your channelins are welcome, and don't let the critics cause you to lose confidence in yourself.

For those that can't honestly say yes, then please carry on learning, preferrably with the aid of someone to help confirm things for you, but don't give up because you may have found out you've been in contact with a fake. Any kind of communication is teaching you to build your psychic muscles, teaching you to become sensitive to the spirit world. Keep meditating, keep learning, keep experiencing and trust in yourself that you will reach the point where you can provide good and genuine channeling for the benefit of others.

Kind regards,
James.
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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2004, 12:06:43 »

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Originally posted by BlackBox

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You must all remember, even the divine is flawed.


I am not going to respond to rubbish.



If you can read between the LINES this statement means that:

Life is an evergoing process into perfection, which means that
it is _NEVER_ perfect but is always reaching for it.

Which in other words can be said that it is flawed [Cheesy]

This is easy to grasp with a mathematical mind [|)]
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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2004, 12:52:06 »

I don't understand how people can take a channeling on the internet and use it to verify this channeling (mediating, I know Wink ).  I've read cassiopeans and I thought it was good at first but I started finding contradictions, holes and stuff (unfortunately I've forgotten the specifics now since it was a while ago).

There is a lot of saccharized channeling on the net which is very wordy and really at the end leaves you with not much to show for.

For instance, Bringers of the Dawn, Commander Ashtar and the High Command, the website says Croatia is the most spiritual country in the world and that the 3rd fatima prophecy is going to come true in 1999.  How can you talk about universal matters yet still focus on and make a specific country out to be special?  A lot of channelings only mention North America and how 9/11 had complications for the entire universe( this was at www.ronnastar.com).  If I were to believe them, Croatia and North America are the centres of the universe with all its galaxies and things going on.  Really the channelings are probably just an extension of the self with people trying to make it out to be a higher level being.

STS, STO, family of light, light bringers, etc are just ways of trying to make you feel good about what you are reading and giving you a reason to follow what it says.  I'm really probably just a holographic image of a 3rd dimensional person who didn't want to go with the pole shift that occured last year.  Maybe I will be ready enough in 2012?  What can I do to become an STO since I don't want to incarnate on an STS planet, I really want to be human and am afraid.

In the end, I don't think it is wise to compare SD's mediations against this benchmark since you don't really know if either is true.  Though it does make you wonder what reality really is.  "Fictional Worlds" anyone? [Smiley]

I don't really think SD would continue if he was really getting drained, I'm sure SD would know when to stop.  But this thread has given some really interesting answers that have surprised me (in a good way) as well.  This is the most interesting thread for me on the entire site, ever. [Smiley]
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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2004, 14:11:42 »

I have to agree that this thread is fascinating. There are more shadowed truths out there then bright, shining beacons of truth, and very few of us in this mortal shell really know what is true or not. So we depend on prayer and inner intuition and the guidance of the wise and more experienced. I feel some genuine *peace* with the answers given by SD and Michael, although i was very shocked by some of them.

"Is it good to summon demons" Michael: SOMETIMES? BUT RARELY? What???Well, that is not something i would expect an archangel to say, but then again, he doesn't go into specifics on hardly ANY subject. Still, actively drawing on a lying, deceptful negative entity, it just goes to show that anything can be twisted an interpreted in any way. I just wonder how many people out there will read that tidbit and think they have "what it takes" to channel a known demon.

I don't know diddly about these Ra and Cass thread you all are talking about. I'll take a look at them, but i'm sure they are just as convoluted and debatable as this thread. At least here i have developed a modicum of trust and respect for the posters. Many share very similar theological beliefs to my own, and that garners trust in and of itself. But in my experience it is difficult to trust anyone fully, either because they outright bend the truth or our own filters distort it naturally.
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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2004, 14:41:48 »

James you said what I've felt very elquently [Cheesy]... I really need a miniature of you in my pocket, so I can use you when I can't find the words..[^]

 
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Many share very similar theological beliefs to my own, and that garners trust in and of itself. But in my experience it is difficult to trust anyone fully, either because they outright bend the truth or our own filters distort it naturally.
Yes, that is a great point. This is how people get sucked into believing EVERYTHING a "channerler" says, because some of it rings true for them but it is nothing more than a person's own beliefs kicking in.  And it is nothing more than the channelers own ego and beliefs being stated.

I will say, I found it humorous that Spectral Dragon was asked if Mustarseed was truly channeling God, and a definite NO he is not, he is channeling something else.  Then if I remember correctly Mustardseed was asked the same question about Spectral Dragon and his answer was No, he is channeling something else..[Cheesy]

I can honestly say.... I believe both of them on this one..[Wink]

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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2004, 14:51:18 »

It's the same with Neale Walsch: was it REALLY GOD he mediated all those years, or a Being so high up in the heirarchy it might as well be God? I think the latter. I believe that the highest highest levels of the divine are virtually Love in its purest form with possibly little to no knowledge of our everyday affairs, and nor does it care. But not caring in a GOOD way.


Did anyone think it odd what Michael said about the virtue of summoning a demon or not? I felt...uneasy on his answers. They clashed with some of my oldest reservations on mysticism...don't F with the Devil.
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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2004, 14:57:06 »

Looking at most other channelers out there, they have turned it into a kingpin business-making machine.  

I understand that doing this (no matter if the results are true or not) requires alot of personal effort, talent and TIME.  I am sure Spectral Dragon could be having alot more fun on a date at night than messing with this forum!

Some of Blackbox's thoughts are interesting.  Then again I also pay attention to Red Dragon, Cube and the rest.  Everyone has their viewpoint, their thoughts, their evaluation of the results.  Like someone said (somewhere!) that we all look thru our own filters.

Blackbox, I felt immediately that you are a "logic thinker", linear.  Lord of the Bunnies, I felt you think more "wholistically", as in the mind-mapping structure.  We are all different, and like fingers on a hand, we all have millions of opinions and viewpoints, each one valid in it's own way.  Ask a cop what accident witnesses say...everyone sees something different, and it is not unusual from some to be radically different from the other.  But there is always some reason found for that inside the person viewing it....

So, like me, no one likes to be told anything, because we ALL feel we are right for our own reasons.

Thanx for the links Blackbox.  Also, from my viewpoint, Steward Swerdlow has his benefits, but don't let what you learn from him limit you.  I admire what he has done to survive, but that is not the "whole path" either, no matter how much it has helped you.  

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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2004, 15:26:12 »

i think i mentioned something about personal filters. What's really trippy is to think that we're ALL correct in our beliefs/assumptions. If you consider for a moment that the astral is the source of thought and creation, then anything is possible. There could easily be different realities where various truths are expressed. For example, in one reality maybe Atlantis was built by prehistoric alien visitors, and another Atlantis by early Summerians. The hardline "reality" that we live in everyday is only a vibration of light at a low level. Who is Dreaming the Dreamer they say.
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2004, 15:27:03 »

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I understand that doing this (no matter if the results are true or not) requires alot of personal effort, talent and TIME. I am sure Spectral Dragon could be having alot more fun on a date at night than messing with this forum!


*grabs puff's soapbox*

Noone has made Spectral Dragon to do what he is doing.  Statements like that, I feel are to enlist a sort of guilt.  After months of spending time with Maya, I began to see this was one of his many manipulation, so I guess now I'm leary of the whole channeling thing..[Sad]

*cleans the soapbox off, and puts it back*  Thanks for letting me borrow that. [Cheesy]

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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2004, 16:21:15 »

Like I said, no further comments from me on this, but I wanted to just post a reply from a friend of mine. He runs the montalk.net website:

quote:
The guy is channeling disinformation, IF he's even channeling. The tone of
what comes through is low frequency, something along the lines of a grumpy
discarnate entity, if not made up by SD himself. Even when something
speaks through another, the frequency and tone gets through, but not so
with this guy.

Also notice that "M" misunderstands questions - that can only be so if the
originator of the answers come through 3D thought process rather than
archangelic knowledge.

Next, notice that his stuff does NOT mesh with the C's/Ra material except
on the superficial things that don't affect our own spiritual progress,
our understanding of hyperdimensional reality, or our ability to transcend
the Matrix control system. M talks about multiple universes, but when it
comes to an actual topic like reptilians, organic portals, etc ... he
takes the "don't pay attention to that, it's not important" or "that's not
true" or "here's a smart-butt answer that sidesteps your question" approach
without EVER explaining why or giving more details.

Remember, STS forces tell the truth when convenient. Other times, they
suppress or divert it. M reminds me a lot of "The Author" of Matrix V. Not
saying they're the same person, but they do have the same tone and vibes.

Here's what he advocates:

- doing rituals to get in touch with "archangels" (michael, gabriel,
metatron, etc... are terms heavily promoted in the disinformative type of
channeling. Same goes for mother sekhmet, saint germain, sananda, etc...
These rituals uplink you directly to 4D STS, so of course something will
seem to "guide" you when you do them.)

- that reptilians are not real, and there are only some grays. (then who
made the grays? and why do abductees remember encounters with reptilians?
Why are some reported grays more reptilian in appearance - I've seen one
myself - suggesting they are hybrids but crossed with what? obviously a
reptilian. Why are there ancient accounts and depiction of reptilian
beings, such as the carvings at Mohenjo Daro, Mayan building statues,
ancient figurines, and elsewhere? Why do many world political leaders
obviously hosted by something evil have facial structures that look
reptilian, suggesting the reptilian energy functions as a template to
shape their physical growth over the years? Why are dragons so popular in
mythology from europe to asia?)

- that M occupies 27th density. Is that a joke? He has no understanding of
what a density is. Also funny that "The Author" of Matrix V claims to get
his knowledge from monroe's Focus Level 27. Why do disinformation sources
always use the same symbolism and terminology? Oh yeah, because it all
comes from the same originator.

My opinion is that SD is either making this up (lying, basically, and it's
more funny that later he said that the channeling sources you have
"verified" could be lying, something of a projection on his part) or else
he's tapping into the channeling disinformation pool that others connect
to, like these people: http://www.quatloos.com/NESARA.htm  (scroll down,
in the left column are some audio files called "message from Lord Sananda"
and "afternoon with Mother Sekhment" - listen to one, and you'll know what
I'm talking about).

Later SD says this:

"Let me tell you one thing. If anyone ever claims ANY CHANNELING IS
"VERIFIED" they are full of it. The only way to know for a fact is to be a
watcher of the channeling itself, and you can't really do that very well
over the internet. Even at that viewing is not always a good way to know
if something is genuine, because the guy could easily be lying. You can't
know for a fact that a channeling is true, unless you do the channeling
yourself, and even at that you have to be a "master" at it. These so
called "elders" don't know what they are talking about, sorry to say."

Obviously he doesn't know the meaning of the term "discernment" or
"research" or "intuition". You don't have to be at a channeling to know
that it's legit. I attended a cass session myself, and could see myself
that no one at the board was making it up because the letters came too
quickly and the answers were of things that the board operators themselves
couldn't know (like personal details, answering the question correctly
when even the board operators didn't understand the question themselves),
but in fact, how it's done is inconsequential since what matters is the
material that gets through, which anyone can discern for himself as to
whether it's worthy or not. As I pointed out above, M gives crappy
information that's often false or contradictory or avoids answering the
question or misunderstands it completely.  

What does it take to verify channeling? That it's self-consistent,
independent of the channeler's level of confusion or ignorance, that it
explains things better than any other theory out there, that no facts
disprove it's main premises, that it has a lucid and wise vibe and
demonstrates this through the conciseness and accuracy of answers given,
that it respects freewill but nevertheless intentionally guides one toward
the truth, and that it makes statements which later are verified through
independent research and experience.

Attending a channeling is one way for 4D STS to use their tricks to add a
"wow" factor to convince the gullible with levitations and balls of light,
things that have nothing to do with the material given by the channeing
itself.

Feel free to post this email to the board.
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2004, 16:29:05 »

Hi Nay
Just a little itsi bitsy note....of self justification[:I]. Very early on I made it a specific point to explain that none of what I channeled should be taken as a way to get answers to questions folks should be answering themselves. I refrained from questions that had that feel to them as it was and is my belief that God was not happy about people using the "answer book" instead of taking the test! I also mentioned that I myself believed I was channeling God (and still do) but I strongly advised everyone to make up their own mind on this point. On a side point you could ofcourse say that We were both wrong in our channeling about each other ......or that one of us was right, him or I ie The Arc Angel or God. I would agree with you though for the most part in your statements. It seemed that Mayatnik had the Floor .....but has it no more. At least not alone.[Wink]

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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2004, 16:40:21 »

Wow..that quatloos link creeped me out! [:O]

Mustardseed,  I know what cha are saying.[Wink]  Interesting because after reading what Blackbox just posted..
 
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The guy is channeling disinformation, IF he's even channeling. The tone of
what comes through is low frequency, something along the lines of a grumpy
discarnate entity, if not made up by SD himself. Even when something
speaks through another, the frequency and tone gets through, but not so
with this guy.
I think this is what I was feeling when I read Spectral Dragon's channeling.  Your channelings did have a different feel to them, a more calmness to them.  I still think it's your higherself..lol. but hey, that isn't so bad is it?  Since we are actually a part of God.  hmmm..then I guess you could say you were channeling part of God..[Tongue]

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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2004, 17:19:14 »

quatloos link confused me. Too many conspiracies to track. Unless you dig that sort of thing.
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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2004, 20:53:54 »

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It's hard to remain calm when people are being such f****** idiots lol.
So can I be assured that I'm one of those idiots?  I saw nowhere in this thread where someone started calling names..well..except for your post.

It is one thing to say someone is not channeling what they think, another thing to call him a freakin idiot.  Lets try and not call people names.

 
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A pity I'm not a God of Death hehe  Nah seriously in situations like this it would be nice to have a quantum teleporter and just teleport to the subject and stare deep into his eyes and see all his egos melt, stare at the soul of the being and even get the subject to sense his own egos. It would really help
Yeah, a pity you can't kill people for their own opinions.  As for the teleporter, I've heard Spectral Dragon say he can do this at will...so why not ask if he will do it for you. I'm sure my ego could use some melting..[^]

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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2004, 21:02:57 »

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It's hard to remain calm when people are being such f****** idiots lol.
So can I be assured that I'm one of those idiots?  I saw nowhere in this thread where someone started calling names..well..except for your post.

It is one thing to say someone is not channeling what they think, another thing to call him a freakin idiot.  Lets try and not call people names.

 
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A pity I'm not a God of Death hehe  Nah seriously in situations like this it would be nice to have a quantum teleporter and just teleport to the subject and stare deep into his eyes and see all his egos melt, stare at the soul of the being and even get the subject to sense his own egos. It would really help
Yeah, a pity you can't kill people for their own opinions.  As for the teleporter, I've heard Spectral Dragon say he can do this at will...so why not ask if he will do it for you. I'm sure my ego could use some melting..[^]

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Your right, I acted like an idiot [Sad]
Guess this was just the last drop in the cup that spilt it, answering
to narrow minded people all day long on various different forums about various things and now I just exploded.

So I'm sorry. [B)]
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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2004, 21:09:50 »

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[Did anyone think it odd what Michael said about the virtue of summoning a demon or not? I felt...uneasy on his answers. They clashed with some of my oldest reservations on mysticism...don't F with the Devil./quote]

I would have thought that as well, until I did some research on ceremonial magick.  You can learn more by going to www.occultforums.com.  Michael did say that it is a VERY rare occurence where one would need to summon a demon.  There are exceptions to every rule.

Also, I think some of you are forgetting that this is not a channeling.  SD is not invoking an ArchAngel into his body.  He is talking to him on the astral plane, so its more so an evokation.

Second, although I'm not a medium, I'll assure everyone once again that SD is not lying.  I have known him for several years, and I trust him more than I would my own parents.  I was actually at his house when he was doing many of these mediations, and he was quite surprised at some of the answers.  If you don't think its Michael, then thats fine, but I want to be make it clear that he is NOT lying.
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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2004, 07:44:58 »

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TAKE CHANNELINGS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.


No, I think channeling should be taken as being something useful, but only if some element of trustworthyness is shown.

Spectral Dragon,
With that in mind I would ask you  - how can you assure the people here that you are indeed speaking with the archangel Michael?
Have you had one or more experienced mediums who have witnessed that you are indeed in contact with him? Or can you show us that you have the training and proficiency as a medium that should be required of someone who wishes to publicly channel such a being?

These are genuine questions and a genuine answer would be much appreciated, as it would be refreshing and valuable to the AP site to have someone here who is indeed communicating with the real McCoy.



I would like to remind you that this is not a channeling, but rather a mediation. Let me go into more detail of what a mediation is for those of you who do not wish to read through 20 something odd pages (although I explained it in the first post I made but that's besides the point)

In the mediation I am doing, I contact the spirit. In the first contact I had with micheal I had Kereen (My pheonix spirit guide) verify that it was Micheal, and before even that I tested micheal, who was very understanding of the tests. I confirmed also through Kereen that this was simply a fragment of micheal, not the whole shebang. Skipping ahead to the actuall mediations, I speak with micheal. I do not bring him in, as that is impossible for such a high level being (on par with trying to put the state of florida into an ant) I am consciously speaking to him on what most of you would know as fifth level awareness, right above the etheric plane. As I am speaking to him in this manner, I am reading to him and trying to impress upon him the questions given to me. He answers, and I translate the atmosphere and visions the best that I can.

Your question is only fair James, however I would ask that you note that right from the begginning I was telling people to test this source out. From my own experiences you simply can't trust a channeled source unless you are a watcher, who in technical terms is someone spiritually connected to the channeler, and is aware of the physical to mentalplane awareness, and mostly unnaffected by the channeling. I told people straight away "do not trust channelings, you can never be sure of thier source" and Micheal has said much the same thing over and over again.

I am currently trying to contact some of the sources you want me to mention. They are, and reasonably, leery of the archangel topic, but then again read the parts in the thread where i say all things of this nature need to be "taken with a grain of salt."

James I would like to hear a lot more on how you know for a fact that channeled sources can be "trusted" From my own experience you can't trust someone talking through another person, period. It's like someone trying to talk to you by getting another person to do it for them, questions come up when people do that.

Now on your friend being a good source of knowing about this stuff I have no comment. Never met her, don't know her.

I had a long story ready for you guys to read. I really don't want to post this part of my life on a forum, even though part of it is already up on this forum. So I cut it out and saved what I had to a text file. If enough people say they want to see how I can project and be aware the way that I can, then I will put it up.

So, going on again with the trust issue,
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I understand that doing this (no matter if the results are true or not) requires alot of personal effort, talent and TIME. I am sure Spectral Dragon could be having alot more fun on a date at night than messing with this forum!


Yes and no. I will say that at first I really did not want to start this topic, but I was kinda pressured into it. I won't say how.

BlackBox, your not even trying to reach understanding. I have no more comment. With the way you are thinking you will never trust this, so my advice is don't even bother anymore.

Very well, now awaiting for my sources to come and hopefully this matter will settle and I can simply go back to the calm and steady of having micheal answer questions again.
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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2004, 05:02:30 »

I do not think it is for others to judge what another has experienced. SD has laid before us his perceptions of what he has experienced. To pick it apart and tell him what he "really" experienced makes absolutely no sense, because nobody here perceives things in exactly the same way.

The key thing to worry about here is, did it feel good or bad? Is it coming from the ego or is it of the spirit? All of us know how it is to have our ego stroked. It feels pretty damn good. However, in the long run it only weakens our spirits. So if the experience strokes your ego, change your point of view and look at it from a more spiritual standpoint. Has it helped you to feel more free, apart from the rules and boundaries your ego has set before you, or does it feel like it just proves your ego right? Move carefully along the path and watch your ego closely for its reactions. Also, watch your spirit for feedback. That is how you find out.

Pray for perception, not protection. No one can save you from yourself but yourself. Remember- The one drawing to you the reality you experience is yourself. ANYTHING is possible in this reality. Your perception is what will open your options.

With that said, I do not think what SD is doing has any harmful effects. Why are people offended?

I think I will soon be leaving the Post, as I feel it is not necessary for my spiritual development. I still plan on helping those under psychic attack, but more than anything I will simply help them help themselves, so that the next time it happens to them they will be prepared to deal with the situation more effectively.
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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2004, 05:43:31 »

Hi Spectral,

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James I would like to hear a lot more on how you know for a fact that channeled sources can be "trusted" From my own experience you can't trust someone talking through another person, period. It's like someone trying to talk to you by getting another person to do it for them, questions come up when people do that.

Now on your friend being a good source of knowing about this stuff I have no comment. Never met her, don't know her.


I guess at this point it might be a good idea if I let you know what I consider the terms medium, channeling, mediating mean, so then at least we're not tlaking at cross purposes over possible percieved differences in terminology.

A medium - a person who is sensitive to the vibrations of the spirit world and who is able to convey messages or images from the spirit world by way of their own thought processes.

A channeler - basically another term for medium, yet the term channeling can include a great many different aspects - artists channeling a muse to produce an "inspired" painting. Intuition channeled from ones higher self to give insight into a situation. Channeling unfortunately has become a popular term for most forms of mediumship, be it recieving messages by way of tools like pendulums or tarot cards, going into a trance and allowing other beings to speak through you, or just interpreting what you see or hear from spirits around you.

a mediator - someone who has the ability to act consciously between a great source of light, love and power to those who need it. A mediator is able to know the exact source of all messages and is able to phrase those messages in a way that allows the individual to relate to the message. A mediator is able to test and verify messages because of a strong and deep education in the spiritual sciences, and because of good control over their energies. They should be able to turn their perceptiveness on or off at will. They are also aware of the great responsibilities and kharmic repercussions of their work.

"From my own experiences you simply can't trust a channeled source unless you are a watcher."

Spectral, I'm sorry but as far as mediators go, this is not correct.
If you are unable to tell people that the source can be trusted, and indeed unable to feel that trust yourself, Then stop what you are doing now and do not presume to tell people that you are mediating.
There should be no need for a "watcher" as you call it unless you are a student of mediumship and your watcher is a teacher that is confirming for you that what you are recieving from the spirit world is correct. I attend a meditation/psychic development circle like many that are around, and the lady who leads the circle is a spiritual/mediumship teacher who is capable of seeing all the spirits that the others in the group believe thay can see, and she is able to confirm or deny what they say they see or hear. This way we learn to TRUST for ourselves the messages we get because we are being guided in learning how to "feel" the spirits presence and interpret they're messages or visions correctly.

What you tell me of the process of how you are in communication with Michael though is correct. But the thing is, if you are truly a mediator, and not just a learning medium,  YOU should be fully aware of exactly who and what the being you call Michael is. You seem to be properly awre of this, yet you tell others not to trust. This seems to me to be a contradiction. Either that, Or I'm just not reading what you are saying correctly.


If you wish to present what you are doing as mediumship, or channeling, then please at least present us with someone who HAS the years of experience and education in this field that can confirm that the spirits you are in contact are real. This would be enough to satisfy me. You don't have to make out you're anything more than you are.  

I would much prefer to read the channelings of Jason, a person who is learning the skills of mediumship and who's communications have been confirmed by an experienced medium, than to read the mediatings of SpectralDragon who cannot confirm for us that he really is in touch with Michael, feels he cannot trust the words of a spirit spoken through another, and requires people to test his messages.

The former is someone I feel I could trust, as they are being  honest about what they are doing, and are in the process of learning to open up and trust themself and what they're doing. The latter, I feel is just another egotistical joyrider on the channeling bandwagon.

Regards,
James.
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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2004, 12:57:26 »

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There should be no need for a "watcher" as you call it unless you are a student of mediumship and your watcher is a teacher that is confirming for you that what you are recieving from the spirit world is correct. I attend a meditation/psychic development circle like many that are around, and the lady who leads the circle is a spiritual/mediumship teacher who is capable of seeing all the spirits that the others in the group believe thay can see, and she is able to confirm or deny what they say they see or hear. This way we learn to TRUST for ourselves the messages we get because we are being guided in learning how to "feel" the spirits presence and interpret they're messages or visions correctly.


James, even in that case you still cannot put total trust in what you or another person is seeing or hearing.  You have to apply a heavy dose of skepticism. Me and Spectral have actually been doing something similar, I sense spirits and try to figure out what they are doing, while he helps evaluate my findings with his own skills.  For instance, once I was forming thought-forms with my mind, and Spectral was able to find out what I was doing.  At one point I closed my eyes, and envisioned a ball with spikes forming above a coffee table.  He described, in complete detail, exactly what I was doing, with no hints given.  Now, although this greatly increased my trust of him, I do not consider it absolute proof.  Even if Spectral was to offer up absolute proof (though such a thing does not exist) that he is talking to Michael, it would still be foolhardy to expect everyone to put full trust in what he's telling them.  The information should be taken, and then evaluated heavily through personal experience to see if it should be applied or not.
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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2004, 20:55:14 »

James,

Absolute trust of anyone is foolish, people rarely know the debts of their own self, yet you trust those persons as if you do know. And if you have to conclude you do not know a person (which you can never do for the most part, as youíre not him) giving all your trust is foolish. You can give someone trust, but stay aware and know that your trust can be misplaced.

James and his friends could be all fooled by the same entity. James and his friends could be all looking in the wrong place. James and his friends could be misinterpreting things wrong. James and his friends could be all misleading you. Could, not necessarily is, but there is always a possibility, that why you can never trust someone completely, besides this is not necessary to have the benefits of your relationship.

Now Spectrals meditating could very well be wrong. Besides all there is are words from him, there is no way that you can know if itís truly from Michael, even if you could see him in person, he can be lying or deceived. Having more persons (whit experience) verify his meditating Michael makes it more probable that he is meditation Michael, but even then itís not a complete certainty.    

Taken everything in account words from other people channeled or not are at best tools for you to work whit, thatís how I will use the meditated words of Michael, to see if they point to something useful.

And for trust, I believe you can only try to completely trust yourself. (not that you have to be distrustful of everyone and everything, just be aware where and how much trust you place in things/persons.)
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« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2004, 21:25:54 »

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Spectral, I'm sorry but as far as mediators go, this is not correct.
If you are unable to tell people that the source can be trusted, and indeed unable to feel that trust yourself, Then stop what you are doing now and do not presume to tell people that you are mediating.
There should be no need for a "watcher" as you call it unless you are a student of mediumship and your watcher is a teacher that is confirming for you that what you are recieving from the spirit world is correct. I attend a meditation/psychic development circle like many that are around, and the lady who leads the circle is a spiritual/mediumship teacher who is capable of seeing all the spirits that the others in the group believe thay can see, and she is able to confirm or deny what they say they see or hear. This way we learn to TRUST for ourselves the messages we get because we are being guided in learning how to "feel" the spirits presence and interpret they're messages or visions correctly.


Here you are saying you should do it my way or not at all. Everyone can and should decide this for themselves.

 
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What you tell me of the process of how you are in communication with Michael though is correct. But the thing is, if you are truly a mediator, and not just a learning medium, YOU should be fully aware of exactly who and what the being you call Michael is. You seem to be properly awre of this, yet you tell others not to trust. This seems to me to be a contradiction. Either that, Or I'm just not reading what you are saying correctly.


The issue seems to be in the definition of mediator. You define a mediator as someone who (or claims at least) knows for certain the entity he is mediating is exactly who he says it is. I don't know if spectral ever agreed to your exact definition of mediator.

Besides trusting your own mediating is not the same as telling everyone to trust you. Spectral is wise to caution people to be careful as to who's words to trust. I'm sure you know even Buddha said this to his followers and he is a Buddha.  

 
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If you wish to present what you are doing as mediumship, or channeling, then please at least present us with someone who HAS the years of experience and education in this field that can confirm that the spirits you are in contact are real. This would be enough to satisfy me. You don't have to make out you're anything more than you are.


Is your opinion that spectral is making out more than he is?

 
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I would much prefer to read the channelings of Jason, a person who is learning the skills of mediumship and who's communications have been confirmed by an experienced medium, than to read the mediatings of SpectralDragon who cannot confirm for us that he really is in touch with Michael, feels he cannot trust the words of a spirit spoken through another, and requires people to test his messages.


Nothing more than a personal choice. Other do find it worth their time to read spectrals mediating of Micheal.

 
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The former is someone I feel I could trust, as they are being honest about what they are doing, and are in the process of learning to open up and trust themself and what they're doing. The latter, I feel is just another egotistical joyrider on the channeling bandwagon.


I believe this to be an unfair judgment.
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