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Ramiel
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« on: November 12, 2003, 17:51:59 »

Dark Knight,

Great to see you're making progress! Good luck I hope you have the strength to reveal more of your attackers identity and intentions.

Edi, good to see you using your abilities in this. Don't give up!

Regards,

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2003, 18:38:53 »

It is unfortunate that certain races choose to work for the dark forces. This tells me one thing about them: they lack common sense. They came for me once and I was able to hold my own against them. They will be back, and I will be waiting for them, even stronger than before.
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2003, 18:51:56 »

On the other hand, it appears Dark Knight has a race that is also helping her, or a sect of that race. This is much needed.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2003, 15:19:02 »

Take the human race; some works for the good side and others for the bad side...

Nature is cruel.  In order to survive, you have to steal the needed energy from other sources.  When you are the thief (humans eating animals, plants, etc...), it's seems normal.  When you are the victim (aliens/demons/entities sucking your energy), it's the dark forces that attacked you.

I see no differences. [|)]
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2003, 18:52:46 »

It is from exactly this suffering that we learn the nature of the universe. In the physical realm, we do take the energy from plants and animals, etc. But in the nonphysical realms, energy can be drawn from an inexhaustible source.

Not all animals are forced to eat other animals, or whole plants. Some eat only some of the plant, such as the leaves, or the fruit of the plant. Also, some species have developed symbiotic relationships. That is, they both mutually benefit from each other. Anemonies and clownfish are such an example. The amemonies provide the clownfish protection from predators while the clownfish clean the anemonies. Humans can develop symbiotic relationships with plants. They can water the plants and provide them with nutrients in exchange for fruit, or certain kinds of liquids secreted by some trees, such as the rubber tree or the maple tree.

The uniqueness of humans is that we can learn to molecularly engineer the enzymes and proteins we receive from eating meat so that we do not have to kill animals. Now don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to eating a juicy 16 oz. sirloin (complete with Worcestershire sauce), but I will not kill an animal to get it. I also prefer that the animal not be treated cruelly if I am going to eat it. It should be treated with the respect that it deserves.

Let's say there are evil aliens feeding on Dark Knight's energies. They could at least offer something in return.

You definitely brought up a very good and very important point here, Nagual. If evil is imposing upon another's free will, then all humans are evil, which negates what religions seem to be teaching us because they are contradicting themselves. Otherwise we have to go back and redefine what evil really is. Is evil imposing upon another's free will, or is evil simply going against the nature of the universe in some way?
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2003, 22:51:20 »

Here are the logs of a conversation I had with Mayatnik about this, and one with Dark Knight... it's my intention (and that of my guide) to make this work transparent, that's why I post them here, so that it may stir up some controversy Smiley





The first one:
Mayatnik in red,
Edi in blue,
Comments from my guide Perena, which I added later, in Maroon

Edi says:
I'm just talking to dark knight ... it's so sad what he has to bear, and so wonderful that he still has strength.
MAYATNIK says:
Your transcript with him was excellent.   What is happening with him can be overcome.  It happened to me also, and all he has to do is call for assistance..... to discuss it with his guide, and arrange it.  They will then 'take steps'.

(I first thought here hey, that can in no way be similar... I get that "actually, it took a longer way with her... but the solution is the same. more suffering doesn't mean that the solution has to be glamourous and a big fight. maybe only a fight with yourself")

Edi says:
As far as I read his stories, his energy system or whatever I should call it is totally messed up, and his life is ... really  uncomfortable.
Edi says:
What she (it's a she actually) has to say is interesting at last ... about the 'greys', and what happened...
Edi says:
One group of them being 'infected' by something which took control of them... this is new to me.
MAYATNIK says:
Sorry, I keep getting cut off......every time I get back online it cuts me off straight away again.  So frustrating......... Yes, things are developing and perception is growing....and in this way the way forward will become clear.
MAYATNIK says:
It isn't exactly the way it seems on the surface.... it has to do with Free Will and attraction..... the way is to understand this.
Edi says:
So it was the will of those to experience this negative influence
MAYATNIK says:
No.  It was an 'attraction' caused by conditioning which reinforced it - just like people gather together, they can also not gather together if they don't feel 'right'.  That is the key.

("It wasn't just some evil 'neg' choosing to plague this group. They were receptive for it, they opened the door, the 'neg' had an anchor in them.. they engaged in a fight or a struggle, but that is not the right way to handle such problems. Their conditioning made them very well suited to play that role. This is the only thing that made it possible for something to get influence over them.")

MAYATNIK says:
I got very abusive 'visitors' when I started.....and I gave them a lecture, and told them how I expected them to behave..... I told them to 'metaphorically' go out, knock and when I said "enter" to come back 'in' with the right attitude and I would talk to them.....I will talk to any entity, but according to etiquette only, or they must leave.
Edi says:
What if they don't leave?
Edi says:
Or don't they have a choice.
MAYATNIK says:
They HAVE to leave.....that is the way of Higher Beings, of whatever orientation.....due to the way the 'are' (their rules of attraction make this).

("And this does also apply to physical people who work in those realms... they are working in the same arena, so there aren't any special short-cuts to avoid the 'rules' underlying this. Whether the attack is originating from earth itself (facilitated by 'Higher' beings most probably), or coming directly from above, makes no difference at all. They can not just come over and do whatever they like.")

Edi says:
So it's like a magnet which needs the right opposing pole, or invitation, or it can't come nearer
MAYATNIK says:
This is why it is important to observe etiquette with them at all times.  They are attracted to a person by the person themselves, be that person's pre-conditioning..... consider it like a person with 'confidence' to deal with PR, for example... those not confident are in a state on havoc.

("It's not that the person chooses, consciously or unconsciously, to experience those things. But Dark Knight is given, in this situation, the chance to grow beyond a feeling of helplessness. This feeling, this disposition, was in her and so could be taken advantage of. It is not a weakness which makes you vulnerable, if only you recognize it and then get over it. A weakness could be something you just couldn't change. But Dark Knight can change what is happening to her - it's not her fault that it happens. But she has to free herself on her own.")

MAYATNIK says:
In the Higher Realms, 'communities' exist in their orientation......just like towns are separated from other towns and have their own 'disposition'...... just like when you walk into a room and feel the 'vibes', good or bad to you......that's how it is with how they are in those Higher Realms.

("It could be likened to the astral locales, or belief system territories... there, the law like attracts like applies directly and visibly. This doesn't mean you can't cross borders, but you always have to respect the local 'etiquette' to function there. If you want to play the game, you have to agree to the rules, and there's no other way")

MAYATNIK says:
Dark Night should say, when she hears abusive language, "Excuse me, whoever is breaking in there, please identify yourself POLITELY.  Abusive language is not conversation, and I will talk only if right etiquette is observed... otherwise go away now.  Otherwise, you are welcome."

("So don't duck in fear and resignation. What hurt can be done has already be done, unfortunately. All you can do is stay up and say no, and as you have read here, there are laws, you could call them natural laws, who are behind all things... and as Mayatnik says, the higher realms (meaning the ones who do care about you, the overseers of what is taking place) are _in fact_ in control of what is going on on earth, so what you experience is nothing we couldn't prevent... but we aren't the ones to ultimately dictate what happens, and essentially it all boils down to free will.")

("Your troublemakers aren't afraid of something we will do with them... no, it's just about 'information'... they want you to be uninformed, in the dark, feeling left alone and a victim. We can assure you that... beings are aware of what is happening to you, but it is a rule that no unduly interference is allowed without a specific request, so as it was said, something that will help is discussing what happens with the guidance that is available to you. This guidance cannot be blocked, as you yourself are the direct link to it on a higher level, so in a sense it doesn't come from the outside. No guide will appear and say 'I'm your guide, trust me!' .. it is in the inside, at the core of YOU where you receive this guidance. This is the first and most important step, to see where your own conditioning makes room for those attacks to occur.")

Edi says:
She's just gone offline... I get the impression that she feels as a helpless victim.
MAYATNIK says:
Yes.  It is a lack of confidence.  She has to learn about this 'etiquette' thing - since that is the intergalactic rule, and she is really being given a good opportunity to grow here in this way.
Edi says:
So can't they even hurt or influene her negatively if she consciously says 'NO' and requests politeness?
MAYATNIK says:
If she does as I say, then she can not be affected - in fact, she can only become strengthened by it !  If she is 'negative' (feeling a victim) then she will actually attract more of the same, until she learns.  Simple as that.
Edi says:
I understand.-
Edi says:
I get that the common approach of 'fighting' 'negs' with rituals, energy work/combat and so on is somehow... unnecessary?
MAYATNIK says:
Also, the guides can send such for 'tests' if that is required - they can play many parts, as you know.  So, learning to engage and identify will not only educate (talking with different species of a wide diversity, which is very stimulating and rewarding on a galactic level), but it will also 'sus' out the situation, and help the person integrate into galactic society.

("The 'guides' can look that every person gets what he/she is missing to grow... if it doesn't come on its own. As long as you are afraid of something, it will probably continue to bother you, and as soon as you would be able to face it, it's not necessary anymore... the same applies to other forms of conditioning.")

MAYATNIK says:
'fighting' is unnecessary on ANY level.  It is what Earthlings do, not the Higher Dimensions.  They work for what they want, but must follow intergalactic rules always.

("Fighting just doesn't 'fit' well into higher dimensions... it's like trying to put on too small shoes.")

Edi says:
And those intergalactic rules are comparable to our laws of physics, meaning that you just can't turn them around.
Edi says:
They enfore themselves automatically.
Edi says:
enforce.
MAYATNIK says:
The intergalactic 'rules' are due to aeons of evolution, embedded, and the galaxy is a small place to them......so they have to get on with their neighbours even though they may differ in orientation or approach.
MAYATNIK says:
If you save what I've written here, and go over it with her (Perena will add to this) then it will help her.
Edi says:
okay. this will be great.
MAYATNIK says:
You could include my conversation as part of a transcript, since it will help others on the Astral Pulse to see a different perspective.  There is much that has been distorted over time, and that has led to deep seated fears in people and the perceived need to 'defend' themselves.  In reality, the answer lies in seeing the bigger picture, not just the Earthbound worms-eye view.
MAYATNIK says:
No entities are allowed to physically attack a person, and if that were to be allowed then the world would be in chaos - in other words, it would be that the Higher Realms did not have control - and that is just not so.  In fact, we are 'children' of the stars, quite literally.. so are in the playroom called 'Earth', safe except from our own wilfulness and conditioning by the other 'children' here

("You're playing your little game here... and if just someone comes and wants to change the rules, you have to agree first before his game is played. This is quite metaphorically spoken, but it's essentially that... get conscious of who you are and what you are, claim your own divine being and worthfullness, and if someone says "F*** you" all the time - well, tell him not only to be more polite if he wants to talk to you, but change also your attitude which would make it possible for him to go on like this")





The second one:

Edi in blue
Dark Knight in purple (wow, never tried this colour yet.. but seems to be very nice)

Edi says:
Hi
Dark Knight says:
Sorry, did you just say Hi
Edi says:
Yes
Dark Knight says:
Oh, OK. Hi
Dark Knight says:
Have you learned anything new
Edi says:
I've had a talk with Mayatnik... and I'l like to send you and excerpt from the logfile which could be interesting
Edi says:
(and=an)
Dark Knight says:
OK
Edi says:
I didn't ask the zetas more about what you told me yet... I'll do that when I got some spare time
Dark Knight says:
OK, Haven't gotten a chance to read thru it all yet.
Dark Knight says:
How long will you be online
Edi says:
no problem... probably still some time, as I have to do work for university... 2 hours at last I guess
Dark Knight says:
OK
Dark Knight says:
Edi
Dark Knight says:
Edi you there
Edi says:
I'm here
Dark Knight says:
EDi, what's here isn't something I don't already know....and don't believe to a point. THe problem I have is this...one of several things I have learned is that lessons starte externally and literally, then go internally and abstract.
Dark Knight says:
Right now, I can't think of a way out of this but, obviously, the literal sense of the lesson is not working.
Edi says:
Lesson in the sense that you should learn something by overcoming what happens?
Dark Knight says:
If you understand how my brain is working right now...my brain is categorizing boundary after boundary, delineation after delineation. Doing it yourself...doen't imply that you can't ask for help.
Dark Knight says:
Edi, I was told repeatedly during the download to learn how to channel. Probably for the reasons Mayatnik just described. I will not do it alone...I'll just attract other entities and I've been hurt anough. THere are not many humans I feel I can trust either. Edi, It's hard sometimes to figure out the difference between feeling like a powerless victim and feeling like a person who has been beaten
Dark Knight says:
into the ground and crushed. I'm tired and I'm not just talking fatigue and sick to death of this. I'm tired of existence.
Dark Knight says:
In the literal sense of the word, if I can do this on my own, why should I bother helping the individuals int he future this is happening to.
Edi says:
Channeling gives you a way to talk to those involved, and to find guidance. By itself, it doesn't open you more to attacks ... such psychic attacks always needs 2 sides to function.. always. You attract other entities by defining boundaries, building walls, and thinking in terms of attacking and defending.
Dark Knight says:
I don't think you understand my interpretation of the word boundary. What makes a dog and cat different (size shape color, texture of coat, etc) are boundaries. Boundaries can be physical, emotional, spirtual, and mental
Edi says:
If you learn by this 'lesson' how to help, you can prevent unnecessary suffering. You cannot prevent such things from happening, but you can show a way out.
Dark Knight says:
Do you understand what I mean by boundaries now
Edi says:
Your brain is not able to categorize things correctly?
Dark Knight says:
Yes, that is part of how they are attacking me
Dark Knight says:
COntexts change when they shouldn't because the things which help define the boundaries, your senses (physical, emotional, spiritual, and mental) are being attacked
Dark Knight says:
I can tell the difference between a dog and cat   But subtler life experiences, I have difficulty with. It is part of the brainwashing
Dark Knight says:
DO you understand
Edi says:
Yes, I think so.
Dark Knight says:
Does Perena know what is happening to me...specifically
Dark Knight says:
Just curious if Perena can explain it better than me
Edi says:
I'll see what I can get
Edi says:
She says you are trapped in some 'cloaking' of your senses and of their interpretation... your brain is hindered from working normally. This is made by influencing your chakras where they can get in... so your emotionality is bonked up. Your mind cannot 'translate' things you encounter into meaningful words/sentences/feelings, which would be the way to define and experience them.
Dark Knight says:
Isn't that kind of necessary to overcome this
Edi says:
It's like your brain/mind can't get meaningful interpretations of things... it's 1) influenced by the outside 2) working bad because your inside suffered for a long time.
Edi says:
She says no, it is not.
Dark Knight says:
I don't need my senses working correctly to overcome this
Edi says:
Your senses are there to get information from the outside world in order to process it for whatever... living, learning, orientation etc. The problem is not in the outside... the senses will regain their normal functioning over time as soon as we've found the root of the problem and dealed with it.
Dark Knight says:
What is the root
Edi says:
I can't see it clearly yet... but it has to do with some conditioning/beliefs of you... mayatnik said 'lack of confidence', and my guide is pointing into the same direction... feeling as a victim.
Dark Knight says:
How much is the lack of confidence due to me and how much is it due to reality at large
Edi says:
I would be interested in how those attacks manifest themselves for you ... what and how you can see/hear, if you get the change to talk to your attackers etc.
Edi says:
You don't need confidence into reality, but confidence into yourself...
Dark Knight says:
WHere is the boundary between needing others and not needing others
Edi says:
You don't need others if you know what to do and if you can do it alone... if you decide to do things on your own.
You need others if you want to have additional input or help, information, and expanded perspective to consider.
Edi says:
Is this concerning if you need others for getting over this or not?
Dark Knight says:
Yes. I need an expanded perception, and I can not find the appropriate communication type help to assist. Healers are supposed to be teachers and students. Not many act that way.
Dark Knight says:
I am not receiving the cooperation I need
Dark Knight says:
Without that cooperation it feels like I'm dying
Edi says:
Healing is always done by the person, a healer can only point to the issues at hand and get things rolling into the right direction.
Edi says:
What cooperation, or communication type do you seek?
Dark Knight says:
A direction. A specific, detail oriented driection
Dark Knight says:
Is the thing Mick saw running at him part of me? Sorry, but I need this question answered, it's important
Dark Knight says:
I'll explain
Edi says:
Is Mick EnderWiggin, or someone else?
Dark Knight says:
Mick is just Mick, not Enderwiggin but Enderwiggin has also seen it
Edi says:
ok
Edi says:
My guide says that what those people helping you have seen, is part of you.
Dark Knight says:
What is it and why is it attacking people
Dark Knight says:
How do I get rid of it
Edi says:
Let's call it your automatic defense system... it is powered by fear and insecurity ... because you're oversensitive to all types of input... if you beat a kid for a long time, it will twich later when you want to stroke/comfort it.
Dark Knight says:
Is it a real being?
Dark Knight says:
Or a thought form
Dark Knight says:
Has it attacked the greys (the positive greys)
Edi says:
See it a thought form which acts as a real being because a real being is behind it and powers it... it's a real being similar to your right hand.
Edi says:
If you mean those I talked to, no.
Dark Knight says:
What about the ones picking me up
Edi says:
They don't have to worry about that, it couldn't get a grip on them... nothing to attack, no defense which can be fought against.
Dark Knight says:
But it has gone after them. Why would it go after Mick, I think I knew when he was checking up on me, but I sure as hell didn't send it after him
Edi says:
It doesn't happen consciously...
Dark Knight says:
Oh God! SO what do I do about this "early warning system"
Edi says:
How do they attack you... by what means can they come in? The first step is to stop fighting....
Edi says:
... and making sure the 'intergalactic rules', as Mayatnik calls them, are followed... so we have to find your 'invitation' to them.
Dark Knight says:
That's the root
Edi says:
Yes. Attacks always need BOTH sides. There is no sense in building up defenses, shields etc., because they enforce negativity.
Dark Knight says:
Now you tell me. That's what every healer, etc has been having me do. That's why I don't trust anyone
Edi says:
Defenses can be overcome, if the attacking force is great enough. The higher 'rules' prevent any negative influence outside of those weak points: defenses and fear.
Edi says:
Did shielding help you? For how long?
Dark Knight says:
I got cut off Edi, are you there
Edi says:
yes
Edi says:
I said: Defenses can be overcome, if the attacking force is great enough. The higher 'rules' prevent any negative influence outside of those weak points: defenses and fear.

Edi says:
Did shielding help you? For how long?
Dark Knight says:
Are you kidding? I spent hours putting up shields and the minute I stopped concentrating they came down
Edi says:
The shields came down?
Dark Knight says:
In a flash
Edi says:
So maybe it's not the perfect way.
Edi says:
Can you talk to your attackers?
Dark Knight says:
Edi, this is what I am talking about. Everyone and their brother's Dentist tells me shields, shields, shields...I would not have known what you just said on my own. Until you pointed it out, I would have no data to go on. So I ask again. What constitutes doing this on my own, and if my life is dependent on the info I get, don't I have the right to feel insecure about that. When is it being right  
Dark Knight says:
Yes I talk to my attackers and everything is a game
Dark Knight says:
You can't have a clear conversation with them
Dark Knight says:
Everything is a deceptive lie, so I just ignore them or give them the Nazi Salute to let them know exactly what I think of them
Dark Knight says:
I've even started calling them Gehring, Goebels, and Mengele
Edi says:
So you're playing their game.
Edi says:
This fear, those attack thoughts, give them room to do their work with you.
Dark Knight says:
When I have no additional info, yes
Dark Knight says:
It wasn't always that way. So how did it start
Dark Knight says:
That's too obvious an invitation, Edi, even I know it. It comes out of desperation and some vague hope that they look at themselves and what they are doing to others.
Dark Knight says:
I don't see much of a differnce between what they are doing and what the Nazis did
Dark Knight says:
I tried part of the forgiveness and light thing all they did was absorb the light and use it to attack me
Edi says:
I don't ask at all that you give in and surrender... that would be wrong.
Edi says:
"What is happening with her can be overcome.  It happened to me also, and all she has to do is call for assistance..... to discuss it with her guide, and arrange it.  They will then 'take steps'."
Edi says:
"Excuse me, whoever is breaking in there, please identify yourself POLITELY.  Abusive language is not conversation, and I will talk only if right etiquette is observed... otherwise go away now.  Otherwise, you are welcome."

(I should have added that this is quoted from my conversation with Mayatnik)

Dark Knight says:
Who just said that
Edi says:
Mayatnik did
Dark Knight says:
I don't even know if I have a guide, unless it was the tall thin guy in greenish hue that Mick saw pull my Dark Knight back
Edi says:
If you challenge them by nazi salutes or calling them such names above... you aren't polite. and then they don't have to.
Dark Knight says:
OK
Dark Knight says:
I don't even know if I have a guide, unless it was the tall thin guy in greenish hue that Mick saw pull my Dark Knight back

Edi says:
I'd like you to see this clearly... I don't say put down your shields, I don't say surrender, I don't say send them actively light and positive energy... but you can set the boundaries in which their influence must work, by _not attacking_ from your side.
Edi says:
Perena says you've got a guide.
Dark Knight says:
HE or SHE

Edi says:
Your guide?
Dark Knight says:
Yes
Edi says:
I guess by Dark Knight you mean that part of you going to others ...
Dark Knight says:
CLueless
Edi says:
Perena affirms that you should look to that guy for help.
Dark Knight says:
Tall skinny guy in greenish hue
Edi says:
(I'm a bit uncomfortable saying things like this as fact, but Perena insists that I press enter after everything she says to me  )
Dark Knight says:
Is that what's taking so long  
Edi says:
Yes.. if it comes to things like that, I really want to make sure that I get it right, and how to word it
Dark Knight says:
Edi, I have to get off, I'm getting exhausted
Edi says:
Okay, I understand... we're going through some stuff here.
Dark Knight says:
Jot it down and send it to me if you can the way you did the other...dark.knight1@earthlink.net
Edi says:
I'll rather post it on the forum, if that's okay for you.
Dark Knight says:
Edi, Dark Knight is the nickname of Batman. C'mon, don't you guys read Comics
Edi says:
Hehe yes, but not batman.. I read others in my youth
Dark Knight says:
WOuld posting on the forum help
Edi says:
It would make things at least transparent... there's nothing to hide, and it can only give additional input

(I've left out the last few lines here...)

Dark Knight says:
Go ahead and post it
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2003, 07:21:53 »

I just pasted this in the PSD Forum and I don't care right now about multiple pastes, this information is way too damn important.

Edi, it's working but I don't know every "technicality they are nailing me with and it is costing me. I'm clearer but not free I need understanding, respectful, clear, specific help. Otherwise I'm going to be stuck in this cycle permanently until my physical body gives out. Edi, I have the right to feel, and I need that acknowledged.

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For the first time in a long time I am feeling lighter, freer, and some of my emotions are coming back.

I'm not entirely clean yet, but I am getting there.

I'm elated...and I am absolutely infuriated at what the "cure" turned out to be.

I haven't mentioned in this forum who my attackers are yet. What they have been doing to me for 5.5 years is this...

They've been using the laws revolving around contact and channeling ettiquette as a literal technicality...they were turning the law into a loophole to get at me.

Apparently I'm more powerful and more "well known" in some circles than I care for (my name was specifically requested for attack by entities I don't even know).

WHen channeling there is etiquette to be followed and laws to be obeyed, otherwise the universe would be over run with negs. What these people and their neg overseers did to me, was initiate a psychic contact. Now realize at the time this was happening I was a scientist, was open minded about psychic ability but had no belief I had it or interest in developing it. These knew what I really had, iniated psychic contact, and me, not knowing what the hell was going on, kept "thinking and thinking", probably activating my psychic ability. Even though I wouldn't call this a greeting, it didn't matter, technically speaking I "opened up and responded" to the greeting. This is what has allowed these jerks to attack me continuously.

Let me get specific here. When you channel, and I only know the generalities here, You open, annouce a greeting specifically to someone, then announce the start of transmission. When conversation is about to end, You announce the appraoch of the end, contact will be reinitiated at such and such a place and time, or not at all, and you verbally announce "transmission ending now", close the channel. When you specifically use this etiquette, these people, these entities have to obey because it is the law. This is what enables the Higher Beings to maintain control of the universe.

There was no etiquette played on their part or mine. Yeah, I've told them to please go away, done the usual stuff most people suggest, but never with an understanding of how the law works (and that is something I am unbelievably upset about...communication in concepts has got to improve. Nobody seems to have an understanding of how concepts work, their boundaries and attributes, why boundaries and attributes may be different with other people...it's like the suffering are expected to understand the concepts of people who are fine, in the context of people that are fine, and that is impossible. Then we're blamed when we don't get it. You tell the suffering to be open and specific and you yourselves don't know how to be open and specific. That is ridiculous and it needs to stop. Being right is not more important than people, and we're all supposed to be teachers and students. "Fine People" don't seem to want to do either, and I am sick to death of this).

The magic, the incense, the oils, the shields, banishing rituals it didn't make my situation better, it made it worse. Why! Because they were all interpreted by my attackers as a form of introductory greeting and start of a communication, and their use of communication is to psychically attack me! And there was never a closing salutation.

I AM PUTTING THIS IN CAPS TO GET YOUR ATTENTION...JUST TELLING THEM TO GO AWAY AND HAVE FAITH IN YOUR HEART IS NOT ENOUGH. YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE MINDFRAME THAT AN ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE IS UNDERWAY AND DEAL WITH IT UNDER THE PROPER ETIQUETTE GUIDELINES OF COMMUNICATION. YOU HAVE TO USE THE LAW AGAINST THEM, INSTEAD OF THEM USING THE LAW AGAINST YOU, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO ME. IF YOU DON'T DO THIS ACCORDING TO THE WAY THE LAW WORKS AND YOU JUST TELL TELL THEM TO GO AWAY, MAKE A BANISHING PENTAGRAM, ALL THE DEFENSIVE POSTURES, YOU ARE NOT SIGNALLING WHEN CONTACT BEGINS OR ENDS. YOU ARE OPEN FOR CONTACT ALL THE TIME. THESE JERKS HAVING BEEN PLAYING ON A TECHNICALITY IN THE LAW. WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE ETIQUETTE, YOU CLEARLY DICTATE WHEN CONTACT IS ENDING, THEY HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW.

Crim, Metal Ice, Xelios, even you, this might be the answer to your situations. Your attackers might be taking the laws regarding contact as a literal interpretation and using it as a loophole for attack. Every time we retaliate using shields, magic, banishments, psychic ability, telepathy (!), prayer (!), just telling them to leave and go away without acknowledging a start/end signal...they are using all of it as a loophole to get to us...I'm wondering if their neg energy lawyers!

There is NO WAY I could've known this to this level of specificity without someone telling me what to do. They're using our ignorance as an advantage!

I'm not entirely out of the woods yet. I have to learn how to channel. I don't have a choice anymore. I'm clearing up but there is still one more loophole they can attack me with. I have no understanding how my telepathy, my psychic ability works. These guys have trained me (programmed more like it) to associate something with opening up and iniating a greeting. What the physical combination is yet, I have no idea!

THESE ARE NOT PERSONALITY FLAWS! I AM IRATE AS HELL BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY TOLD THIS IS HAPPENING DUE TO FEAR GENERATED BY A PERSONALITY FLAW. THIS IS CAUSED BY FEAR GENERATED BY SOMEONE ELSE HAVING MORE INFO THAN YOU! THAT IS NOT A CRIME! A 3RD GRADER DOESN'T HAVE A PERSONALITY FLAW BECAUSE HE/SHE CAN'T DO 8TH GRADE MATH. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE TREATED LIKE HUMAN BEINGS AND HAVE OUR NEEDS ACKNOWLEDGED AND RESPECTED, INSTEAD OF BEING TREATED LIKE CRIMINALS! I AM ASSUMING THAT I AM NOT ASKING FOR MUCH! IT IS OUR RESPONSIBLITY TO LEARN, AND IT IS THE RESPONSIBLITY OF OTHERS TO TEACH IN A RESPECTFUL WAY...WHICH APPARENTLY IS QUITE A PROBLEM FOR SOME!

Crim, Metal Ice, Xelios, be careful, but try it and tell me what happens.

If you need me to explain again I will until I reach your level and respectfully act as an interpreter. You're not idiots and you don't have personality flaws if you don't understand something. That's life not a crime.












 
 
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2003, 07:28:41 »

Nagual:

The creator gave wolves teeth, cheetahs speed, and squids tentacles with hook for a reason. Their prey are not victims if caught. The circle of life exists for a reason.

And if you can't see a clearly defined difference, you're practically opening yourself for attack.

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2003, 12:16:40 »

Hum... I am afraid I still don't see a clearly defined difference...
Could you try to explain it to me please?
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2003, 22:29:35 »

It sounds to me like Dark Knight needs to sort this out for herself with the help of the interpreters. I can be of no further help as I do not communicate with any alien species. I have tried communication with nonhumanoid entities. I have had a little success but not too much. Usually I only engage them in trivial conversation.

Perhaps what attacked me was not the greys, but in fact dark knight's shadow. This means that the greys will not be back for me.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2003, 21:08:09 »

I want you guys to look at this:

http://my.dmci.net/~casey/

I'm still picking my jaw up off the ground. Edi, I take it back, they deserve the Nazi Salute, and are probably doing it, it isn't impolita at all.

These people should be strung up and killed, I'm not even going to sugar coat what I am feeling right now.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2003, 21:53:00 »

Edi,

I just PM'd you on this. In all my years as an abductee I have never had scars. Last year on the upper portion of my right thigh I had a scar, looked like an injection mark. I want to know NOW who left it there, the greys or the government? What was done, was something put in or taken out? What else has been done to me?

I need to know this Edi, and once you get it, POST IT!
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2003, 05:26:32 »

Edi says:
Hey... I've just read your posts.
Dark Knight says:
I'm sick, Edi
Dark Knight says:
I had contact today with a local psychiatrist who helps abductees and has also met people like me, government programmed
Dark Knight says:
Edi, I am not feeling warm and fuzzy right now, and I feel like someone a little more powerful stepped in the minute I found the site
Edi says:
Of course some things don't want to lose their grip on you, but they can't force it.. you're on the best way to get free.
Dark Knight says:
Can you even spend five minutes just to tell me if the scar on my upper left thigh was the government or the greys
Edi says:
About this site... this is just horrible.
Dark Knight says:
Edi, I know that site is true,...I remember hearing about some of it in the news some years ago
Dark Knight says:
But not all of it
Edi says:
my guide confirms that it is true, as sad as it is
Dark Knight says:
Edi, the scar on my upper thigh...who put it there
Edi says:
I'm just asking
Edi says:
It wasn't projected by your own mind, but put there by someone... not by aliens, but by humans, i.e. the government.
Edi says:
There was no device or sth like that put in/out...
Dark Knight says:
Just to scare me
Edi says:
It's nothing that affects you anymore
Dark Knight says:
Edi, I lied one more question because it is important
Edi says:
I'm not clear on what exactly it was... maybe some sort of serum injected, or taking a blood sample
Dark Knight says:
Mack, Fowler, Strieber, the rest of the UFO community...no one is going to believe me. Will they believe me someday? What good am I going to be helping people if I am seen as a crackpot
Edi says:
No blood sample, but some injection, to see how how it affects you...
Edi says:
You don't need community support ... there is always opposition and someone who thinks he knows better... if you can help, then people will see that and come to you, regardless of what the community says. There's much discrediting and the likes going on in the UFO community, and that's not all the people's fault... there is also misinformation around.
Dark Knight says:
I won't get support, will I
Edi says:
Oh, you will, but it won't be easy all the time.
Dark Knight says:
You
Dark Knight says:
are saying Mack and the others will believe me someday
Edi says:
I don't know exactly about Mack and the others... but they too see only a part of a picture, but humans are quick at interpolating the rest of the picture, which could then be wrong if too much is misunderstood... so they will also have to open up and listen.
Edi says:
One other thing... I'd like to apologize that I concentrated too much on 'fear and vulnerability' in our last talk, without going directly to the thing about the etiquette... I guess that bothered you a bit.
Dark Knight says:
It bothers me a lot Edi. I can't get anyone to take it seriously that I have a right to be afraid. You don't stop being afraid, when you get are coping skills, and if coping skills aren't taught to people, just telling them not be afraid is ridiculous. I am human. They cut my capacity to feel off, and it's been gone for 5.5 years. I have every damn right in hell to afraid
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I'm waiting to be treated as a person who is part of the human and have my sense of self acknowledged. I'm not helpless or looking outside of myself because I am lacking information
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I won't get through this without that information...fear isn't causing that, lack of communication skills are
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If you want me to have a clearer understanding, acknowledge that myself exists, is a part of creation, and treat me as such,...I don't feel like I'm getting that.
Dark Knight says:
And tell Mayatnik to take his feet out of his throat, his experience is nothing like mine and never will be
Edi says:
I'm learning more from you here than I can probably give you...
Dark Knight says:
Edi, I can't stay on too much longer and I only ask this out of fear, I take it none of the guides out there know if I will get a new job soon, preferrably one that doesn't exhaust me
Dark Knight says:
Edi, if I don't have a stable job, I lose everything including my contact to the outside world, they have me cornered.
Dark Knight says:
Edi was this question too much....
Edi says:
I understand that... maybe you won't like the sentence, but things will be arranged... I know you're struggling as hard as you can, and things don't seem to fall into place... the guides can't arrange just anything, and it needs your side as well to make those things manifest...
Edi says:
Hehe no, I'm just trying to find words ... I don't want to hurt you, and I lack ... experience, or communication skills.
Dark Knight says:
Jesus Christ!? Edi, I'm sure my attackers know that, that's why they went out of their way to have me trapped like a rat
Edi says:
The forming of your life's surroundings is alike communication... you set up the parameters or boundaries there in the same way, but over a longer time, by habits, and thoughts, and it needs longer for changes there to take place first.
Dark Knight says:
Oh Jesus, I didn't make these boundaries deliberately, I did it to survive and because I had no adequate help
Edi says:
That is of course true, it's not your fault that those boundaries exist, and that they are they way... you were pushed into them. But you can also get out of them, and be in control of your life again.
Dark Knight says:
It's like swimming upstream and th government is the current. I don't know if this damn mission is worth it
Edi says:
get out of the river and walk on the shore.
Dark Knight says:
Where is the shore
Dark Knight says:
Edi, I gotta go to bed, Post this! Edi, I don't see myself writing any damn book before I'm free, can I just get a confirm
Dark Knight says:
I'm in control of my own destiny, I'll decide gets done what ever they say, I just want to hear another opinion
Edi says:
You will need to be free to write a book... and yes, it's time to tighten strings on your destiny and to get the horses running into the right direction again.
Edi says:
You're in full control of your destiny at any time.
Dark Knight says:
thanks...post this, i have to go to bed
Edi says:
ok, take care, and sleep well!
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2003, 06:26:39 »


Hi Edi and Dark,
I hope you don't mind if I come into this thread and provide some extra info.

When I first went to find Dark she had forgotten to leave Messenger turned on, as it was the avenue I was using to reach her, so I had to find another way.  This was done by asking to be shown where she was, and very quickly I was shown a tiny little light on the USA map, which I honed in on.  It was Dark, so I went to work on her.

The moment I did, a dark haired man about 50-ish approached and began to angrily berate me for 'interferring', so I scanned him and learned he was a Government operative.  I also knew that there was something else behind the mind-control program but exactly what it was eluded me in the moment.  I opened my heart Chakra and began to pour Golden light energy into him, and saw an immediate 'softening'of his attitude, which I thought/hoped would make him not want to be a part of the program.  Although I also knew that if that did happen then he would easily be replaced.

The next step was to scan Dark's Chakras. All of the Will Centres up the spine where severely blocked and most had what I call 'Hooks' in them, which indicated that the programming was well established and deeply imbedded.  I then opened all the Chakras and cleared them, removed the hooks, which was very difficult, and then began to flow more energy through them for Dark in the hope that she would begin to feel a little stronger and more able to help herself.  I then put a small field around her of my own protective energy so that the work would last at least a day or two, so that Dark would get a little relief.  During all of this work Dark was consciouss and fully aware of the energy work being done on her with her permission.

After that we communicated via e-mail and it was then that I told her to shield herself many times during the day and night if possible, to push that shield out to help build up a strong barrier around her apartment.  The basis of this was so Dark could begin the task of working on the problem for herself.  A Self-empowerment procedure you could call it.  For me, I could see that the only way Dark could eventually free herself from her situation was to slowly build up her inner strength and focus during moments of relief from the attacks, thereby she could gain enough self-value and sight to see that the process had begun for her and that she was strong enought to do this.

It is my deepest hope that Dark will continue to allow this work in progress to continue, as it will take a very long time.  After the many years she has suffered, the attackers will not be happy to let her go, and so it must be viewed as something that cannot be fixed in a jiffy.  It is my opinion that she needs to continue along the path by practicing the shielding and growing in inner strength.  I suggested that she also pour golden light into her attackers in order to begin the internal change process on them, but, I am sure that Dark may have thought I meant Love and Light, which as we know the light will onlt empower them more.  Which is why the Golden Light is needed to be used.

Also, thank you for raising the concept of rules.....although we do tend to go by rules, they are limited as it is my experience that not all Entities abide by such things....no matter WHO says that they should or that this is how it must be.  In the vastness of this one Universe there are all types of Beings, and many have their own concepts, some of which have no parrallel in our beleif systems.  So it becomes obvious that these rules of engagment can and will be flaunted by Dark's Attackers.

I would like to thank you also for helping Dark to see that the process she needs is already there for her to use, she only needs to choose to do it.  

Love Always.[Smiley]
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2003, 11:18:26 »

Edi,

I'm freeing up. I'm actually having moments where I can feel my emotions...MY emotions, not the channeled emotions of someone else.

I'm not completely free, but it is working.

Edi I have more questions (like you don't get enough questions from this crowd). WHen you have time, can I talk to you?

Edi, is the shift starting (a gradual start people, please don't freak)?
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2003, 00:07:12 »

Tayesin,

thanks for the information you gave on the situation, it added several facets that were missing before. I do have some comments though.

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The next step was to scan Dark's Chakras. All of the Will Centres up the spine where severely blocked and most had what I call 'Hooks' in them, which indicated that the programming was well established and deeply imbedded. I then opened all the Chakras and cleared them, removed the hooks, which was very difficult, and then began to flow more energy through them for Dark in the hope that she would begin to feel a little stronger and more able to help herself. I then put a small field around her of my own protective energy so that the work would last at least a day or two, so that Dark would get a little relief. During all of this work Dark was consciouss and fully aware of the energy work being done on her with her permission.



By working on those chakras, you can bring the stored subconscious feelings, memories, dreams, traumas and whatever else there is in the chakras to the conscious mind so those issues can be actively dealt with. Flowing energy in them can help, but remember that those chakras (as well as those on the front) are deeply connected and a direct expression of the physical, emotional, mental and spiritual state of being of the person - so whatever you do with them is no remedy and no cure at all, because it requires active work on the side of the treated person if you don't only want to treat the symptoms, but also the underlying problems which made them appear in the first place. Recognizing and identifying the programming and conditioning that is there would help much more. Furthermore, in my opinion the Will Chakras should NOT be worked with forcibly, as this would influence the will of the person you are working with. If will, attitudes and conditioning are changed, the chakras will adopt accordingly... not vice-versa!

Visualizing flowing energy through them, or working with the images you perceive, like hooks, will therefore in no way be a cure for Dark's problems, even if it can bring temporary relief. I don't question your perception - I think it's accurate and you get valid and important information, but: imagery _can_ be distorted, especially if you apply much force to it, so in my opinion working like this with the chakras can be a valid supplement if used carefully, but it should not be the main point in healing. I'm concerned about how you describe that, because it could give a wrong image to people; what you did sounds great and interesting and has a lot of 'magic' in how you put it, but points to 1) directly influencing the will chakras and 2) using force to make it all look right, which I both advise against - it could get people looking into the wrong direction, thinking this is what to focus on with such problems. In my humble opinion, this is wrong.

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After that we communicated via e-mail and it was then that I told her to shield herself many times during the day and night if possible, to push that shield out to help build up a strong barrier around her apartment. The basis of this was so Dark could begin the task of working on the problem for herself. A Self-empowerment procedure you could call it.



What psychological effect does shielding like that have? The little feeling of security it can give is by far outweighed by the reinforcement of fear it creates - constantly shielding means constantly pushing away, using force and denying, living in fear of that which you don't understand - and how are you supposed to understand things you suppress from seeing? This doesn't give you power... you give power away by that.

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For me, I could see that the only way Dark could eventually free herself from her situation was to slowly build up her inner strength and focus during moments of relief from the attacks, thereby she could gain enough self-value and sight to see that the process had begun for her and that she was strong enought to do this. It is my deepest hope that Dark will continue to allow this work in progress to continue, as it will take a very long time. After the many years she has suffered, the attackers will not be happy to let her go, and so it must be viewed as something that cannot be fixed in a jiffy.



Dark Knight is not weak. I have yet to see anyone showing so much strength, courage and resistance in such a situation. She definitely has got all the strength and focus she needs to free herself... telling her that it MUST take a long time is no sensible thing to say, and can only reinforce conditioning you surely don't want her to have, so attention should be payed on not erecting any new blockages by such words. I don't want to point fingers as I'm surely not perfect in that regards myself, so forgive me if that comes around personally - I just think it needs to be considered here. So, no matter if the attackers are happy about it or not (they probably aren't), how long it takes lies solely in Dark's own hands.

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It is my opinion that she needs to continue along the path by practicing the shielding and growing in inner strength. I suggested that she also pour golden light into her attackers in order to begin the internal change process on them, but, I am sure that Dark may have thought I meant Love and Light, which as we know the light will onlt empower them more. Which is why the Golden Light is needed to be used.

Also, thank you for raising the concept of rules.....although we do tend to go by rules, they are limited as it is my experience that not all Entities abide by such things....no matter WHO says that they should or that this is how it must be. In the vastness of this one Universe there are all types of Beings, and many have their own concepts, some of which have no parrallel in our beleif systems. So it becomes obvious that these rules of engagment can and will be flaunted by Dark's Attackers.



If rules are limited, as you say, why should the beings care about the colour of light you are sending them? This is a local concept, perhaps referring to our sun (yellow) as the source of light, which gives positive associations of life and love... now go to any other place in the universe, where the stars have different colours (white, red, blue, ...), and the 'golden' light wouldn't have the same meaning, would it? Whatever the source of this symbolism, it is still human-based, and you should ask what makes it work. The colour of the light? The belief that only this colour works? Or is it rather the changes in attitude which are effected by such methods?

Intergalactic 'rules' are laid down and enforced by the Higher Beings, in any colour of light. No beings or species are allowed to just 'walk in' and do whatever they like... everything has to be done in accordance to the laws, and all species have to conform to the laid down standards if they want to pursue their own agendas - and above all is the rule of free will for humans.

So much for that Smiley

Love,
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2003, 07:15:38 »

Hello Edi and DarkKnight,

I used to be an abductee too,finally it stopped,I read those emergency tips on a site and used this hat you can make to block telepathic communication,I also read(on this forum-Zetas) that this hat really works but is like an earplug to block outside noises.

http://www.abductions-alien.com/ theres also a user input page to check other solutions and experiences.Hope this helps someone like it helped me.
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2003, 21:06:08 »

I posted this in the PSD Forum and sent out several PMs to moderators.
 This needs to be said
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It's time I came clean, I wait any longer with this.

I am receiving help from someone on the pulse. Upon investigation, my attacker's origin was revealed.

Many of you know I am a Grey ET Abductee. Well, my attackers are related along familiar lines.

My attacker is a member of the US governement's mind control/remote viewing program.

Apparently I am not the only one this is happening to, I've met and spoken to other abductees who have described similar experiences. There is a counselor nearby who has admitted she has counselled people (abductees) who have undergone this experience.

Friday I was followed home from work. Driving to work I heard in my head, "Dammit, Dammit, I lost her." Driving home, I heard in my head, "I'm so close to you now." What I've managed to learn is that this guy can control me from far away when I am under his thumb. When I start to break away, he drives to where ever I am to regain control.

That's what he did Friday. Saturday I was harshly attacked by two people, not just one. My energy was very severely drained and once again, my need to write down everything that happened was in vain.

Then there's you Michael_Stonewing!

I'm sure you don't mind me sharing the PM you sent me with the rest of the class:

 
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By the way why did you send all of that energy my way the other day after replying to my topic post? Not that it didn't feel good but I still wonder why someone would send (what white light?)
It is actually interesting that you did that since I immediately became interested in who this person was that was sending me such nice gifts. Anyway I checked out some of your posts and I went to a section of Astral Pulse I had never cared to be in the Channelings/prophecy section and believe it or not we really are not that different from each other. Let me guess - needle like puncture marks sometimes as many as four of five (I forget... been awhile) on your neck near your arteries? Some on the backs of your hands and wrists. Bruises and cuts really anywhere on your body but the upper thighs espeacially. Feelings of utter exhaustion after you wake up and really have no idea how you got them because as far as you know you didnt even dream that night.....
Yes, I definately could be either luring you or trapping you even if I didnt consciously know it but still its interesting.... by Michael Stonewing


No, in answer to your question, I have never had markings like that except for the scar on my upper right thigh that I received last year. And, no, I am not the one who sent you that energy...and I know this God Damn game, it's been played with me way too much! I'm sure someone helped you to that energy, and I'm equally sure you were one of the two attackers that came to me on Saturday.

Which brings me to the quote you made in the Astral Experiences forum with regards to the Dark Haired Guy:


 
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Ask him if his name is Alan?
Just a friend of a friend saying HI! by Michael Stonewing


I am not going to make any threats, actually, from what I've been told in the Communications forum, I am the living threat! Or one of them, anyway.

I am not going to be intimidated, I am not going to be stopped, and I feel you siphoning off my energy as I type this! Metal, I have some Hematite and you're right it works. I have ordered the Psy Vamp book and it's on it's way...money or no money, I guess I'll just be in debt forever.

For the rest of you guys, what was channeled to me about my situation is in the Communications Forum, You'll find it easily.

Wish me luck, I'm going to have a horrible life.

Check out this website:

http://my.dmci.net/~casey/

This is a link to a person who was subjected to governmental experimentation. This isn't conspiracy theory, this is fact, this information came out on the news a few years ago, but I didn't even know all the information listed.

I pray to God for forgiveness of my sins and protection from evil and all it's lies.
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2003, 09:40:52 »

I was warned about three things during my download about my attacker...His name was Michael or Mark, He was an abductee, and he was Native American.

This guy is playing the same mind games I have known for 5.5 years now.

You know, I'd almost say he's like the serial killers I used to study before all this happened to me. I am so smart, I can outwit the cops, no one can catch me...until they start losing control or get too cocky, then end up making a colassol mistake which gets them caught.
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2003, 09:50:05 »

Hey Edi,Dark.

Just a quick post to say i hope your making good progress Dark and for what it's worth i believe you. I also believe that you'll succeed. I just wish there was more i could do to help.

Cheers,

Mo!
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2003, 10:57:41 »

Hi,

Dark Knight requested to talk to the Zetas about what is happening to him her... they agreed, and I channeled some things about this before ...at his her request I post this now here, I won't add much for the moment, but I'm interested in where this will eventually end up.


Dark Knight says:
Hello
Edi says:
Hi
Dark Knight says:
Looking for me or just talking to a friend
Edi says:
I thought you were online, that's why I started msn
Dark Knight says:
Hang on a bit, be right back
Dark Knight says:
I'm back
Edi says:
okay
Dark Knight says:
Edi, how long have you been channeling them
Edi says:
I've been in contact with my guide for 4 months now... and the Zeta stuff started after 1 or 2 months
Dark Knight says:
All right. Edi, listen, I am being attacked, that's why if you still choose to do this, I want you to be damn careful
Dark Knight says:
Something feels wrong we stop
Dark Knight says:
Get with your guides and make sure everything is OK
Edi says:
I've read your posts on the forum... well, I'm not afraid, but I don't know where this will lead us
Dark Knight says:
That's why I warned you about the heavy emotions
Dark Knight says:
When do you want to try
Edi says:
Now I have at maximum one hour of time, and maybe I'll be disturbed earlier
Dark Knight says:
All right, I'm game if you are
Dark Knight says:
What's happening to me
Edi says:
Okay... I'll try to get from my guide and the Zetas as much as I can
Edi says:
"You're being attacked.... behind this is the government, but with help from other aliens"
Edi says:
and why? it's and experiment... you show resistance and bear what happens, which most people wouldn't do to this extent
Edi says:
(I'll try to think of some details to ask)
Edi says:
"it's not only tricks played to your mind to make you believe you see certain figures/things"
Edi says:
anything specific you would like to go into? (I know this is all too general)
Dark Knight says:
Am I contactee or not
Edi says:
"yes you are"
Dark Knight says:
How long
Dark Knight says:
And by who
Edi says:
"since your birth you were watched over... contact took place since the age of several years"
Edi says:
"would you believe us if we'd say it was us?" ... "'us' meaning the same 'kind' of alien we are, working in proximity to us... there are several different groups at work"
Dark Knight says:
I don't know. My head has been played with so much
Edi says:
"you don't know what to think and what to believe... that's understandable. you've been fooled around with quite a time"
Dark Knight says:
I know. How many others are they doing this to
Edi says:
the government/aliens? ... "not that many, because they usually don't know if someone is a contactee or not... so although many people are generally watched, very few get attacked like this"
Dark Knight says:
Why did they pick me.
Edi says:
"they were directed to you by their alien 'friends'" ...
Edi says:
"you haven't been one some watchlist before"
Dark Knight says:
Why am I so popular
Edi says:
"because you will be one of their enemies"
Dark Knight says:
If I live
Edi says:
"you will live. killing you is not the goal"
Dark Knight says:
Will this end
Edi says:
"the goal is to make you defensless, controllable, a mindless robot who eventually quits everything" ... "it will end, although not very soon. but don't give up hope"
Edi says:
"it could take some years."
Dark Knight says:
Yeah, I though so
Dark Knight says:
I won'te develop my abilities until this is over will I
Edi says:
"you are already developing your abilities by this"
Dark Knight says:
HeHehe. Have I helped you at all
Edi says:
"and you will be able to help others who are in a similar situation"
Edi says:
"those things are in the 'experimental' phase... but are likely to be used on a larger scale"
Dark Knight says:
I understand.
Dark Knight says:
Has anyone lasted as long as me  
Edi says:
"you're quite on the top of those few ... others went insane or worse"
Edi says:
I can't help but getting the image of someone in the center of a ring formed by people in my mind... and a light golden aura around everything.
Dark Knight says:
I believe it when they say others went insane. Insanity is a blessing. To not go insane, means accepting what these jerks want as normal. It can't work and should never work
Edi says:
"Insanity means dropping your defenses, letting go of what remains of you. butthis is exactly what they want."
Dark Knight says:
I understand what you're saying. But accepting what they do is also killing yourself.
Edi says:
"at the core of yourself, there is always YOU... they can twist everything around you, your bodies etc., but not yourself."
Dark Knight says:
Yes, to a point, though. You cannot be "destroyed" but can be very severely damaged almost equivalent to destroyed. The healing of restoration takes a length of time to be respected.
Edi says:
"the key to your healing will be to gather with other people, as in the image edi saw... if you can't defend yourself anymore, others can."
Dark Knight says:
Where and who do I trust. Unintentional harm has been caused
Edi says:
"you can't trust many. it will still be time to getting to know those people"
Dark Knight says:
Edi we have to stop, I'm hearing too many F yous in the background. I might want to try again, but not now. Let me think. POST THIS on the pulse.
Edi says:
okay, if you want
Edi says:
I hope you're okay.
Dark Knight says:
Edi, I still have to take this with a grain of salt, I hope you understand that. No I don't think you're working with the government, but during my data download I had my communications violently, rudely interrupted and transposed upon. I realized the hard way that I couldn't trust everything...which is a hard thing to do.
Edi says:
I can fully understand that. We all can't know for sure what exactly we are in, but that's exactly the reason why I want to go further, to find out somewhen.
Dark Knight says:
Gotcha. Take care Edi, I have to think.
Edi says:
Okay
Edi says:
I'll be away for the rest of the day... but we can continue anytime you want.
Dark Knight says:
All right. Rest for now, keep clear, and stay in the light.
Edi says:
I'll take care of myself.
Edi says:
I'll post it now... keep your head up.
Dark Knight says:
Thanks
Edi says:
do you want it anywhere special? if not, I'll put it into the communications section.
Dark Knight says:
Communications for now. I have to think, maybe a link in Astral Experiences and the PSD forum. Edi, I say this because I've heard threats of being physically picked up. That's one of the reasons why I want it posted and seen by as many people as possible.
Edi says:
okay.

(edit: corrected dark knight's gender)
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