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Author Topic: The last 2012 Thread!!! Keep It In Here Only  (Read 26484 times)
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« on: January 12, 2004, 13:20:18 »

I believe there might be a symbolic meaning to "demons" In the 2012 theory. When people think of "demons" they often forget that there are 2 kinds of demons.
1)Spirit Demons, or humans who have turned thier souls demonic.
2)The demons within ourselves who we will have to fight and conquer.

That being said if it's the demons in #2 then humankind will, as a whole, have to conquer the demons inside the collective human consciousness, and thus will have to train in working together.

Regardless of which is right or if a combination of both is, I will continue to train mind, body, soul and teamwork the way I usaully do by helping where I can and doing my Qigong and Astral projection training, because I do feel there is a change coming though I don't know what it is as of yet.
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2004, 13:24:19 »

okay thats cool our beliefs differ
buts thats cool...
See we can all live in harmony I believe in demons as in big freaky thing with claws and teeth
also lets try to stay away from people saying demons are nice, kay...
not trying to stiffle people but it will cause a really big conflict and thats not what I want...
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2004, 13:40:31 »

from what I can gather a demon CAN actually go from another plane to this one if it is strong enough. Again, not sure of that as I have never seen it happen.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2004, 15:51:25 »

Well Ryoko it depends.  Demons of different religions and myths can be good or evil just like humans, it is how they were viewed.  The japanesse demon or youkai was said to be both, but if you are talking about hell spawn then yeah, totally evil and twisted.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2004, 16:06:50 »

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Originally posted by Van-Stolin

Well Ryoko it depends.  Demons of different religions and myths can be good or evil just like humans, it is how they were viewed.  The japanesse demon or youkai was said to be both, but if you are talking about hell spawn then yeah, totally evil and twisted.


That brings up this question: How do you define a demon?[xx(]
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2004, 16:50:35 »

what about gods who display demonic behavior such as a penchant for genocide and torture. The gods Jehovah, Moloch, Kali and other beings classified as gods fit the bill for demonic behavior.

For me if something enjoys killing for no reason other than teh fun of it then it is a demon no matter how many of its followers say otherwise and no matter how "holy" or visually appealing it is.

I'd rather deal with an ugly demon that was kind to children rather than a "holy god" who enjoyed slaughtering children. The former I can reason with the Latter needs its A*S kicked.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2004, 21:46:15 »

I think Xander just classified a demon pretty well.

Oh something I forgot to say, demon is only a loose translation of youkai.  A more fitting translation would be spirit and that is why they were viewed as good and evil.

I would have to say though that if it did happen, I would probably be someplace that had a large bunker, don't know where.  Stock it with enough food for about a year and only me, my friends and whoever else wants to be in there that can fit will be.  Then once a week or so go and look for food and kill any demons passing by, maybe we would get over looked and then they will just leave when they think everyone is dead.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2004, 23:19:53 »


THE LAST 2012 THREAD!!! KEEP IT IN HERE ONLY
THIS IS FOR CALM DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAINING STRATAGIES AND PLANS FOR 2012


You cant demand that all 2012 talk be put in here then restrict the kind of 2012 talk.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2004, 03:51:03 »

Beavis makes a good point. At times, not unlike society itself, threads are and can be uncontrollable and unpredictable. Kind of hard to put a leash on the chaotic, wouldnt you say?

2012...plans...are we paranoid?
The only plan I have at this time, is surviving whatever events befall us all, and on my birthday I shall meditate until the equinox on the 21st. Perhaps somewhere aligned with strong energies.
No strategies are needed, just peaceful mindset for an "unpredictable" event.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2004, 03:53:23 »

Coming from a dbz freak..
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2004, 04:46:01 »

ahem......DBZ is NOT real!!!!!

Now that i've got your attention I would like to say that one day I was watching TLC and they had a show about chi. A practitioneer who had been practicing everyday for 30 years was able to set a ball of crumpled paper on fire. As far as I could tell there was no trickery.

It has to do with mind and energy not so much with body. I would say that in any crisis one needs a calm mind that can think in a crisis, one needs to be in control of thoughts and emotions.

As far as DBZ goes, I don't care how much power they hgave, anyone who walks around with their fists clenched and grimacing like they have a bad case of constipation can keep it.

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P.S. the DBZ characters would tinkle their pants if Buffy the Vampire Slayer got a hold of them.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2004, 12:57:59 »

XANDER..... can't you be peacefull for more than 5 seconds....
You have made only 2 post but in those post you have managed to single out a group of people and insult, them I quote

((<"As far as DBZ goes, I don't care how much power they hgave, anyone who walks around with their fists clenched and grimacing like they have a bad case of constipation can keep it.
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P.S. the DBZ characters would tinkle their pants if Buffy the Vampire Slayer got a hold of them"))>

Can't you be civil, or is that not an option for you; what did these people do to you.  I don't see them coming up here to burn you, yet you gladly set them ablaze. If you are going to countinue down this path please do it elsewhere, I want this to be a peacful board with no name calling or bashing so please be nice or just leave everyone alone.....
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2004, 13:14:58 »

Theres bound to be afew a** holes, so I wouldnt expect everyone to be nice.
But anyways, as far as the war on 2012 goes I am not sure whats going to happen.
There may be Demons, as in actuall creatures trying to enslave humans, or perhaps it could be Humans.. its all a matter of how one takes it.
I wont be in a Bunker, and I wont be hiding. I personally would rather face a threat head on then try and run or hide from it. I am starting to practice projecting, and some body energy techniques, but only for my own gain. Not to destroy demons. I am sure as I gain more expierence and knowledge in these areas that I would be able to destroy a evil spirit, or atleast protect my self.

I think that we all need to stray away from these negative thoughts on Demons and the end of the world, we need to come togather as a whole befor we can expect to fight a war against demons. So lets keep training, but also try and concentrate on bettering our selfes and the world around us for now.
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2004, 13:19:26 »

Good point
non one is an ---hole though some people are ignorant to peace.
also even if the war never comes I will keep training because I want to perfect myself and I am far from it right now.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2004, 13:30:33 »

How come you keep trying to flatter yourself Ryoku?  We all know you're not perfect, and we all know you'll be "training".  You're beating a dead horse buddy...

Personally in 2012, i doubt anything is going to happen.  There'll just be a great shift in conciousness, and all this demon and apocalypti buisness won't happen.  That's just my take on it, i tend to keep things more on the sensible side...
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2004, 23:23:54 »

I hope people aren't basing the future on anime (And I'm not just talking about DBZ here which in no way is an insult, otherwise it would be to myself for I am one of the saddest DBZ freaks around), because although enjoyable to watch and even when pertaining to realistic subjects, it is still only images of fantasy and imagination.
I'm also not about to expect demons or the end of the world to reign supreme during 2012 or beyond either.

In all honesty, this thread in itself seems almost...I dunno, without merit, as it seems to concentrate(And you can correct me if Im wrong) on surviving something that might not even occur.
Training is wonderful, being prepared is wise, but expecting the worst is basically setting your mind up for;

1)A possible gigantic let down
2)A fantasy dominating your surface perceptions
3)Your own forced hand in your beliefs
4)Isolationism
5)Social alientation
6)Dominating emotions stemming from the topic fantasy
7)Narcissistic disorders engaged through fantasies revolving around your own part being played in the belief

I in no way think people should be acting one way or another, but filling your mind with demons and other negative aspects such as Aries pointed out, only instigates behavior that can at times seem almost compulsive, delusional and paranoid.
Neither am I stating that none of this will happen, far be it from me to tell everyone the future, but when your looking at aspects such as these, it is possible to lose yourself in what is real and what is only a wish and a dream.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2004, 23:55:13 »

You know... this is really annoying. I've never watched DBZ as you kiddies keep refering to nor do I see what it has to do with 2012. A lot of celestial events have this sort of end of the world stigma. I also don't understand why everyone seems to be so critical of this 2012 proposed event.

Just leave the f@*##!! thread alone if you think it's stupid.

You don't need to be a genius to see that with the next decade something major seems to be brewing. Wake up sheep.

The major point here is that not a single person on this forum can prove these 2012 threads wrong or right. There is NO POINT in debating this. The people that choose to believe that it will occur have that right. They also have the right to share communications in peace. If there can be Planet X and Mars Attacks posts on the board this can exist as well.

So to people agaisn't 2012 prophecies, go make a topic called "PEOPLE THAT WASTE THEIR TIME TRYING TO DEBUNK NON-PROVEABLE BELEIFS".
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2004, 00:34:08 »

I wonder why this desire for apocalypse? Do you get off on thinking you will be some hero in this, like the myths of old? Do you desire your own destruction? Is it some twisted masochistic fantasy?

I remember 2000, all the xians I knew were counting down the minutes before cheeeeezus would beam them home. It never happened. For weeks afterward teh whole lot of them were depressed and cranky.

My what fits and temper tantrums there will be in 2013.
 "WAAAAAHHHHHH! My demon war never happened! I wanted to fight demons! WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"[V] LOL![Cheesy]

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2004, 01:56:21 »

1Zenryoku, i'm curious.  How do you train for this up coming war you speak of?
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2004, 03:50:28 »

Hello Everyone,

Any positive discussion of the ‘2012 prediction’ seems to be very much hidden in the mists of confusion caused by those who seek to debunk it, so in that state it is not going to be easy to have any kind of productive discussion by those who seek to impart any information, from whatever angle, regarding it since, at the very best, it makes it difficult for those interested to follow the discussion amongst a plethora of ‘debunk it’ posts – and attacks o negativity by those not interested is simply wasting the time of those who want to learn more about this of their own Free Will without pressure against them to discuss it like any other topic.

Let’s look at what is clearly eident about the ‘2012 prediction’…..

There have always been been people of an ‘Apocalyptic mind’ who apply fundamentalist fervour, even narrow-minded fanaticism, to warn people against what they feel is the ‘end of the world’, a doomsday-scenario.  Not the sort of people for happy company, or to have an open discussion with.   I can fully understand why some people would wish to debunk the 2012 Mayan Calendar ‘end-date’ if they are sick and tired (as most of us are) of doomsday preachers.   But 2012 is NOT like that.  It is not an ‘end of all’ scenario, but simply a date calculated by the Mayans that is a repeat of similar end-dates that occurred in their calander – in other words it can be seen as an extrapolation of already charted events… and those ‘events’ were simply the end of a ‘cycle’.   The Mayans plotted the course of the planets and stars (a process we call Astrology, but which they knew far more about and much knowledge has been lost to modern Astrologers about this) and their movements were observed to come into certain very definite positions with relation to each other at key intervals in time; these then are the ‘cycles’ that the Mans compared against key major changes in the world.  Moden scientific technology has now been abole, through its various branches of science, to mark those periods in the history-evidence of our planet… and these correlate closely with those various dates in the Mann calendar.

It is only in very recent years that we have had the technology adequate to even start to look into the evidence our planet can yield from the past to such a degree of accuracy in some fields.  Astronomy is one such, and the use of the latest computers has enabled astronomers to ‘roll back’ the star and planet movements to any period of time (rather like running a video backwards and forwards to examine various sections).   A team o archaeologists did this in conjunction with Astronomers and NASA a few years ago – specifically to examine the very great accuracy that was evident in the construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza (readers of this should ponder at this time, how the ancient Egyptians and the Mayans could have such accuracy that we are only now beginning to achieve with all our modern technology!).  In particular, feeding data into the computer about the angle of 11 hidden shafts inside the Great Pyramid revealed truly startling facts once they had drawn the conclusion that these shafts may weel point to specific stars – and that is exactly what they were found to do !

When the star charts were rolled back to the time o the construction of the Great Pyramid, those shafts were found to point exactly to 11 key stars, among them signifroicantly those in the Sirian (Zeta) and Pleiadian star systems.  ‘Rolling’ the star-charts forward again to see if this astounding correlation of pointing exactly to specific stars could occur again, they found that it did not occur as the years and centuries ‘rolled’ by orward again to our present time…….then suddenly, they found that correlation once more, on a specific date.  And that date the found for the line-up of the Great Pyramid’s 11 shats to those specific stars was…….23rd December, 2012.   And that matches the Mayan Calendar ‘end-date’ for this Great Cycle we are now coming to the end of.

So, does this mean then that something is going to happen at that time?   It certainly proves the Mayans (and the ancient Egyptians) knew something Modern Man doesn’t know apart from a few who have access to information that the those in those early times in our recorded history who were clearly ‘in the know’.

As you will be able to discover further I have written two introductory channelled articles in the Reptilian thread – and they will be commenting on that in detail……. also in a forthcoming post I shall be writing in the Fuzziwig’s Reptilian thread  regardingthe ‘Ages of Man’ and the Great Cycle, each ‘period’ of time (approximately 2,000 years) that put together make the half and full cycles of 13,000 and 26,000 years mark very dramatic changes in the way that Man perceived himself.  The Age of Leo (The Lion), for example was the coming of the Sirians (also known as the Lion People) and the building of the pyramids; the Age of Pisces (the fishes) is the time when Jesus the ‘Fisherman of souls’ arrived and all that followed that event.

So, the ‘date’ itself does not signify that something apocalyptic is going to happen, much less with great drama, on that specified date.  It is no more than the ‘midnight’ position on the clockface of time.  But what it does mean, is that it is the ending of the old’day’ and the start of another, and the dawn that it heralds will be more than a New Dawn, it will be a New Epoch for Mankind bercause it is the end not of a full cycle (of which there have been many) but the end o a Grand Cycle around the Great Central Sun of our galaxy…..after cycling for 230,000,000 years.

I am a channeler for the Pleiadians, and I can tell you – whether you choose to believe any of this or not is up to you, it is only for giving information – that there will be NO sudden and dramatic change on the day of 23rd December 2012 that wil be perceivable.  You will wake up to just yet another day (although some of you will have remembered these words I tell you, and you will see subtle differences around you), but ‘behind the scenes’ the cosmos is preparing you for a transition into the next higher density from our 3-D world that will be the most dramatic change (over a period of years that will follow) in all the History Of Man as he has known it.

There seems to be much confusion (mainly caused by ill-informed prognosticators of doom and poor or even fraudulent ‘channeling’) regarding the connection between 2012 and the Pole Shift.  I can tell you clealy from my guide, that these two events are not interdependendent, and are only connected by being in the same close time period.   The Pole Shift has happened quite a number of times already at long regular intervals, ever since Nibiru (Planet X) first became caught by our sun and from then shared an orbit between our solar system and that of Sirius A – and its effects when it passes by the Earth at a distance of 14 million miles, is that as described in the story of Noah and the Flood (more accurately described in much greater detail by the earlier ancient texts, from which the Bible was later written but missing out many major details such as those described in the Epic of Gilgamesh).

Therefore, there is adequate information already available on these things – but it is clouded and obscured in confusion by such as debunkers who put up a smoke screen which often prevents open minded people from exploring with their own Free Will what is available to examine and discuss – information extant in ancient records or modern scientific investigations such as have been done and have produced several important books that show the clear scientific evidence for many of these things (one excellent book is “The Star Mirror”, by a world renowned archaeologist giving much data --- this book and other similar recommended accurate ones are in the Astral Pulse Library, under <Book Recommendations by Mayatnik> and I would refer the reader to that list which was given to me by my guide and which I have also personally examined and found to be extremely accurate in all details, unlike many ‘pulp’ publications).

In conclusion then, there is nothing to fear.  What will happen will happen, and if people wish to prepare for such eventualities with a positive mind then disaster will be minimized and survival vastly increased for the individual who is open minded to new knowledge.   What IS scary, is the fact that we are, in these latter times of ‘head in the ground’ establishment-conditioned thinking, being harassed by those who seek to maintain the status quo of ignorance and who, often for their own comfort-zoone, wish to keep others from en-LIGHT-enment also as we move quickly ever closer to the time when this information will be literally vital for clear understanding of what will be happening when it occurs.

So please, for the sake of those who wish to prepare sensibly by discussion and to seek by common-sense evaluation further enlightenment, I ask members to have a positive attitude and not cloud the issue for others.   This is a discussion forum, and I have here presented facts for discussion, even acknowledging why debunkers have their stance.   Draw back the curtain of ignorance, and let the light come in as the debate continues towards the Pole Shift and 2012 beyond that.   Because NOW is the time to meet new information, to examine it, and for each in their own way – of their own Free Will – to examine it in a constructive ongoing way.

Channeled With Pleiadian Love and Light,
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2004, 06:09:45 »

MAYATNIK - That was one of the most beautifully written, seemingly intelligent post's that I've read.

You make good points, but so did Lucifer when he corrupted 1/3 of all angels. You cannot tell me that there won't be a war around or at that time. The NWO is coming, the EU is rising, the technology for the BEAST is here, with one global order we all fall into the hands of a select few.

You speak to spirits, who knows what type of spirits. It doesn't matter. The powers that be want this thread to disappear. It is coming however. Can anyone else feel the war coming? Heh... doesn't matter. Let them laugh untill the waters turn to blood.
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2004, 08:12:59 »

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Excellent post, Mayatnik. Excellent wording and precise construction. Well done.
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2004, 09:16:59 »

STEEL HAWK,

I agree with you !  All those things that you say in your post there – and much more that you don’t say – are all planned by the ‘powers that be’ in their relentless drive to world domination.

You say:
You cannot tell me that there won't be a war around or at that time
Let’s get practical here.  The notion some people have regarding ‘spirituality’ is to do with ‘head in the clouds’ – but that is not my definition of that word, and I am very much ‘down to earth’.   I am well aware that Bush wants World Order (to protect the people, he claims), and others are on the bandwagon also – such as puppy-dog Blair and the vast money –machine (whether it be the EU or the USA – they are all one, controlled by a small select few who have their finger in every government, and massive control of the US agenda behind the scenes).  Bush is no more than a puppet in all of this, and simply serves their purpose.

You talk about Lucier, but the notion of that ‘personage’ along with the ‘devil’ is an invention of religion in order to sell immunity rom the <evil> that the Church preached about, a church that sold ‘dispensations’ to avoid ‘Hell’ for those who ‘sinned’ --- all those words were brought into the religious domain (and later into society itsel) to instill fear.  Fear is what the rulers want in the people, in order to control them – and that’s been the way of it for centuries.  I only paint very broad brushstrokes here to illustrate, but the war on Iraq is a case in point where Fear was raised in the people due to the alleged “Weapons of Mass Destruction” – all that purely as a mandate from the people to invade Iraq.  Over a million innocent Iraqis had already died (that is documented) due to disease and malnutrition etc as a result of ‘sanctions’.  Then from a great height Bush clinically dropped his bombs in the first gulf war and then the second.  Not to beat about the Bush – but that man is a killer of innocent women and children.  And where are the WMDs ater all that?  Yes, they knew they were there originally, because the US and other for-profit mongers sold those WMDs including chemical technology for Saddam to control his people and make war on Iran.   Clearly, if there can be invented an excuse for a war then Bush will find one.  But, he will not want to attack certain terrorist countries that have WMDs, because there is money in it not to do.  And that’s what it all boils down to – money.   The rich get fantastically rich, while the poor get poorer in our so-called ‘caring’ (and <Christian>) First World Society.  We do not have to let them do these things.  We have Free Will.  But, people have been heavily conditioned by the New World Order seekers to think that their leaders are doing everything in their power for the well-being and saety of the people.

It is wrong to kill.  The Bible (for those who are religious) says so…. And it is inhuman to do so, except in self defence for one’s preservation if attacked.    Common sense says it is not the answer to meet violence with violence.  Common sense says that it is better to talk, to ind out what the problem is that another human being has.  The War on Terrorism is really a war of suppression against those who have been abused and ignored in.   The Terrorists call themselves Freedom Fighers and Resistance.  That alone should ring an alarm bell that human voices are being ignored.  Freedom from suppression and Resistance against massive killings in Palastine and Iraq are a primary ‘causes’ that the ordinary people in those parts are struggling for in their own small way because they don’t have the massive destructive might of the World Powers that promote injustice while ostensibly claiming to uphold Christian and Deomocratic ideals for “God and his people”.  And they wonder why there is an Islamic Fundamentalist movement that supports Osama Bin Ladin.  But they don’t wonder why those people are upset.    Dialogue is the way forward, but that is the last thing that those in World Power want, because all the dirty washing will come out in it and will be hung on the line for the world to see what their so-called leaders are realy like.

All this is not central to 2012 itsel, but it is part of what is being ‘played out’ now on Earth as different species across the galaxy help us to prepare for that time coming.   How we deal with things is for our hearts to decide, and the choice made between Service to Sel or to Service to Others.   I am firmly committed, my life dedicated to die if necessary, for Service to Others.  Are you?  Whatever a person’s race, creed, colour or culture – Earthlings or Of-Planet species my message is LOVE.  If we love one another, and care about each other then there will be no wars.  Any leader who does not have love will not care for others.  Any leader who thinks only of money interests as being the way to create harmony is prey to greed and corruption – and the continuance of such a regime promotes killing and war to achieve its aims.  That is evident, and can be clearly seen in the state of the world today.  Conditioning keeps the sheep in the pen of so-called Democracy, blinded to all outside their confines by the high walls of misinformation and fear-promoting ‘protection’.

Be free of this, you can do it.  Use your Free Will to say “No more!” to repression and inhumanity.  For those of you who are religious, then sit down with siner and talk – as your Jesus did.  Find out what troubles him, and heal his pain.  This is a struggle between the forces of Darkness and Light.  But, do not be deluded by religious teahchings that talk of a ‘devil’ you cannot touch – the ‘devil’ is an invention by those who would control you, and it is the leaders who keep you in the Dark that you should watch, and they are very tangible as they rely on your vote or at least your tacit acceptance of their hidden agenda.  Darkness and Light are about Ignorance and en-LIGHT-enment, suppression against truth.

 You say:
The powers that be want this thread to disappear.
The ‘powers that be’ do not want the world to know or speak of the truth.  But if they were to suppress this thread from high up then they would revealtheir hand, so no – they won’t do that. And, in fact, they have a very eicient ‘machine’ in place to deal with these sort of things – and that is the fear (that word yet again, which they love to instill in the mind!) of ordinary people with positions of ‘responsibility’ (as the person is conditioned to feel) towards the maintaining or ‘order’ in the establishment.  So, look not on high or this  things to manifest; look rather closer to home – to such as the site Administrator and those around him.   At the end o the day, it is the Administrator who pulls the plug if traces o anarchy or ‘disrespect’ for government appear to rear their head, even in a so-called free country.   So, clearly, it is a time now for individual conscience – to do what is really right, or to bow to conditioning.  Each person knows deep down inside themselves, and must make their own choice because Free Will is for the whole of Humanity and if people care about each with love then they will allow a cry from the depths of oppression to be heard.    There is no such thing as watered down free will: It either is or it isn’t.  You have ree Will, so use it to speak out against injustice and inhumanity as we prepare for a great change that is coming – or, if it is in your power and you are so iclined to close this thread, then do so and show yourself by that action.

I have intimate knowledge of how the ‘secret government’ – in my case, MI5 – operates.  My sister’s husband was ‘taken out’ quietly, there have been 5 shooting attemps on my life, two of them bringing me close to death.  They don’t use bullets; they use darts tipped with a substance that causes death that is apparently from ‘natural causes’.  And when they can’t do that they assassinate the person’s credibility, ruining them in their careers.  How many times have you seen a person in public office dealt with by some smear campaign and they just disappear from public view, silenced – and even blackmailed to keep them quiet.  I know !

Finally, my wife was killed in such a way as to look like an extremely rare illness.   I can’t give the details because I want to stay alive to talk about them in general, and their nasty little ‘habits’.    So, I leave them alone I they leave me alone.  Otherwise I shall open the whole file on them, even from the other world, If necessary.

But please, dear people, do not get paranoid because that’s what they want you to do.  They will not close a thread, or silence an individual as long as they eel they have control.  Let them play their little games.  But speak out against all injustice that you find.  The internet is the voice of freedom where you can be anonymous.  And, at the end of the day, you are only speaking your mind.  If that cannot be done, or you are in fear then that is exactly what is happening in some countries.  You can let it carry on, or speak out.  The choice is simple.   It is no good feeling bad about the state of the world unless you are prepared to do something about it, because otherwise it will be playing into their hands.

The economy and with it the whole infrastructure are already teetering and in many places crumbling even now.  When the Pole Shift comes society in the form of the Establishment will cease, because it cannot be sustained then and already has difficulty limping from day to day - insurance firms going to the wall more and more, major corporations collapsing and credit cards being manufactured solely to keep the ‘money’ (there isn’t any really) flowing by making it all look good on paper at the end of ‘trading’ each night…..  All those things are becoming manifest now in the last breaths of that lumbering ‘machine’ of the self-seeking Establishment.  Really, all you have to do is to awaken to the facts, speak your mind with love in your heart.   And all will be well, beause good will lead us forward through the Pole Shift and towards 2012.  This is the end of an era, and the start of a New Epoch that will bring peace, love and harmony to last 2,000 years in the next Age Of Man as before him lies not just new horizons of hope but a whole new dimensioin !

God Bless and Take Care !

Edward Angelu,
(writing as MAYATNIK)



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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2004, 11:55:43 »

HOLY SH*T!! YOUR SMART MAYA! I am sorry for what ever losses you may have taken and wish the best for you.  If what you say is true how come they don't get you through the internet.  Just wondering I don't know if they can track you that way though. Also If a war comes then we will be prepared if not we will be in top physical shape. Some one ask how you train for this.  well the answer is I work out every day and Meditate for 2hrs. and practice using my ki and moving it through my body and making it grow. I do this everyday.
I have been working very hard to make myself better for an apocalypse or just for me. so thats it.

I beleieve I was created to fight. I have the physical power and have and extremely strong urge to fight so maybe this 2012 thing could be my purpose for all my anger and willingness to kill for my loved ones and even people I don't know. If it doesn't happen then I will keep training lying in wait for my oppertunity to release myself.

 would like to state that I also believe in an ascention of sorts. I believe that in 2012 the weak will die and the ones who live will gain an extrodinary power to fight these creatures/demons. So all the peoplwe that say we are to weak to fight that is how I explain how I will fight this power will be granted to those strong enough to survive the merger.

1zenryoku, I merged your posts, please in the future if you have a after thought, all you need to do is click on the edit button and add away! Thanks [^]
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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2004, 13:41:50 »

Haha, Maya, finally decided to post eh? [^] Been waiting for ya buddy, thanks for replying here...set things straight i believe.  

Well well well, i know i'll be partying on the eve of the 2012 new year [Wink], like all the other ones.

Rawk on,
~ivan
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