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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2004, 01:20:39 »


Hi All,
Over the past year I have heard numerous psychics and mediums talking about the fall of the veil, which they claim will occur this year.  Being Sensitive myself, I have also felt this coming.  In fact, I posted about this asking if anyone else was feeling it.  For me it is a reality that has been coming for as long as I can remember, and the FEELING is getting much, much stronger.

The shift to 4th dimension is a difficult one.  During my time of working with the Guides every night, I learned that we are standing on the threshold of an important evolutionary step here.  It is more about transitioning through the 4th into the 5th, at which point one of the 'Gifts' we lost will be available to us again.  This is the gift of creation...instant creative ability, if we so choose it.

In the past four years the Guides keep telling me it is time, time to prepare physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually, in order to be clear and very aware in the times that approach us.  They have also made it clear that it can become too late for certain choices to be made!

Many years ago I saw that we had already passed what I call the the point of no return, meaning, that we had to make changes to alter the course we were on back then.  Now is too late.  We are firmly into the events as they grow to fruition, and the next 6 to 8 years will see the climaxing of these natural and man made forces upon the Earth.

Founder has spoken what I know to be true also.  And no amount of arguing over it, or denial of it, can possibly change the course of these events.

I have to say this.  None of this is about being Special, or Chosen.  It is about the choices we made as Souls before incarnating here this time.  Right now, there are incarnate in the world many 'higher-beings' who have chosen to be here for the events we face, who have chosen to work with others to insure that as many people as possible survive the coming events so that they may be of help in directing the course of humanity after the the changes have settled.

Many people will have their entire belief-system structure blown away by witnessing the events that are near, like the sky being filled with Visitor Craft, etc.  During the mayhem that will insue, we have one and only one chance to help these people to reach an understanding that will help them to be useful to their own people again.  Otherwise they will be fodder.

To borrow a line from the Mods here, if you do not like what you are reading in this thread, if it raises issues within you that you are uncomfortable with and do not wish to grow through, then, do not read these types of posts.

By only thinking Love and Light, etc, and refusing to look at the possibilty of this being a reality.... You are shutting yourself off from the wider perspectives, effectively confining your self and it's opportunities for growth!

Good on you Founder, you have my support.

Love Always.[Smiley]
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2004, 01:24:44 »

Seeing as how I seem to have as much time on my hands as everyone else here does, I decided to put my two cents in, then I thought about it, and decided it doesnt matter who says what because nobody really listens, its more a hesitant approach to what everyone here desires in one way or another. A seemingly unrealistic debate/ conversation/ exchange of words/ or mix of prose with each other over things that nobody will prove nor disprove due to lack of proof existing in the first place.

Ive come to this realization after some time in the forums reading what people write, and what people reply to.
Its funny, there seem three main types of people here.
1) Those who attempt to prove to themselves by way of others (seemingly those on the internet accounting for people in real life rather)so as to come to a better conclusion than that of them being stranded on this ball of dirt with people who do not understand them with no real end to their lives in sight other than some layering of odd circumstantial adventures plaguing the rituals of their lazy non-motivated breathing traditions. You sit on the computer and research (on a tainted vain of information mind you)things you hope will come to pass, and find the data you want, compile, compare with your own situation of life and begin pulling in tow those dire stack of events that will maybe bring you to the point of
A)You seeing the end of the world
B)You gaining some incredible powers and thus showing all those people with lack of interest in your life just what it means to be real
C)You are taken by the aliens and shown what life is really all about in another universe
D)You are turned into a two dimensional character drawn into a strong story line of vampires, demons, superheros, and mechs and thus do not need to think anymore you are now driven by fate(Or the writers mind)to the ends of your destiny
E)You are the messiah  (Or being a prophet aint too bad, which ever right?)

2) Those who attempt to discourage those with these imaginative (original?)minds and plead the case of logic and reason through either venting their own past inhibitions and insult, and also watch in the shadows for their own little great hope that they dont talk about as to curse or jinx it, or maybe fear their own ridicule.
They have their own credibility to think about of course and that is important so they copy and paste other conversations and/ or information regarding this or that in order to back up their own waffled opinions which nevertheless always brings in either a heated two way debate over soemthing as limitless in order as a demon war or ancient civilizations prophecy or it brings a civil discussion which should be treated as a "tea and cake conversation."
The latter being my favorite to read over because they try so diligently to not offend anyone while they make their case which is an impossibly tongue in cheek affair.

3)Then there are those who triffle between the two attempting civil understandings of boths sides, being very open about who and what they believe without sounding grossly over justified yet not too under-opinionated. Dont want to be the underdog, but we cant seem to proud can we?
yet there is something that is feasting on their habits isnt there? Something as if they enjoy watching the progress of benign conversation and attempting to severe either sides progress (Without really choosing who it is they side with)so that they seem to be the catalyst for another system of conversations, or thought process or whatever.

How real we all are eh?
I see my fallacy, I am all three, and many of us are, some of us are none of this, attempting and succeeding to be a truist to themselves. Yet the majority lie within these three worlds of perceptions.

I dont try and decieve myself with concepts I wish to be true, because deep within I do know a lot of what I believe to be true, but that does not matter to others.
It matters most to ourselves, and that is what is important.
We dont need to prove to others who will never know who we are, who we think we are. You come on here and call yourself an elf? Fine, attempt to tell your friends in RL that. Its a different feeling isnt it? There has to be a place like this (thank god for the internet right)to hide from who we actually are once in awhile, but if many of you are so unhappy as to concoct a lot of this BS because you yearn for something different, heres a concept, go experience the world. Travel, help people, go to school, live in another country, learn another language and do something stupid once in awhile. Get yourself in trouble.
The risks we take mark our paths, but we decide what we come out with.

I am a hypocrite, narcissist and delusional at times, but I dont let those notions really betray what I need to do in order to live life.
Perhaps some of you will read this and say this was not the time or the place to rant about what you think people should do or what ever. If this isnt, where is?

Ive said my say, and feel good about it, now its your turn to bark at me I suppose.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2004, 01:24:44 »

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2004, 06:26:28 »

That post almost reaks of troll, but since you didn't point any fingers, I'm guessing anyone that gets offended saw truth in that post.  The closest I fall into is #3, but that's only because whenever I see something radical posted like this, I'll explore what they are saying, but without claiming bs.  Simply because pretty much everything on this board would appear to be bs to someone, so I can't just discount everything.

1) was practically custom made for Oazaki, and there might have been truth in what he said... but only so far as to the meteor showers and the civil war and possibly the idea of the rift between astral and physical breaking down.  Maybe.  From Zhedi Order on, I think there's delusions of grandeur there.

Even though most of what he said seemed far out, I don't like claming bs.  I mean... telekineses seems too wild to be true, but you don't see people claiming bs when Beavis shows his videos.

Even AP, what this board is about, screams of bs to most people.

The only thing I'd say is that it doesn't seem fair to claim that people playing the role of prophet are in the same category as the messiahs.  People get disturbing dreams and visions and see real seeming stuff while projecting and feel the need to let people know.  I don't think that's worthy of put down.
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2004, 08:43:21 »

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1) was practically custom made for Oazaki, and there might have been truth in what he said... but only so far as to the meteor showers and the civil war and possibly the idea of the rift between astral and physical breaking down. Maybe. From Zhedi Order on, I think there's delusions of grandeur there.



Well everything from his astrology, numerology, his knowledge about the nature of reality, and spirituality are all WAY to accurate to be anything that was done just for kicks in my opinion.

Have you seen how much depth he has in his post, and not too mention how much time he has spent posting all of his information on this website AND many others? Either he is superhuman or mastermind at hoaxing, but for what reason would this be a hoax? As to set up a date for the Zhedi Order to be established on, and according to the natal chart, astrology and numerology of it, it is far more stronger than our current world systems?

Look at the link I provided above, its highly precise and he has everything down to almost a perfect science.

anyway, thats all my humble opinion. [Cheesy]
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2004, 13:05:33 »

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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2004, 17:52:22 »

Good guys huh? I suggest you choose your own course as it will not be so easy to interpret good from bad. I fight for the humans as they are the innocents in this war, and for ONLY that reason. Otherwise your logic is flawless, there are many examples in reality for what is happening. Just looking around casualy reveals many examples. Blackstream, I'm pretty sure I did answer your questions... umm... **checks** yup, its there allright, but for some reason it doesnt show up under the text window as you type a new message, you will have to actually go to the first page to see it.

In responce to Aileron's painfully long speach, well done. I agree mostely but I am not doing this for attention or to tell others what to do, but simply because I would not live with myself if I had not tried to warn anybody. I also seem to remember somebody suggesting that perhaps I am under dark infulence, in my particular circle it is hard not to notice such a thing but for arguments sake. Assuming I was, I am only following my heart with good intention, I intend to bring nobody through this with me but if they choose to I welcome the company and I never seek to preeche or draw anybody into my belief. I just offor it to them and if anybody chooses to take notice so be it. In short, I have no obvious ill intention here and I do only what I believe is right, so please... draw your own conclusions. I would not think that doing things the way I do is a very efficient method for dark manipulation however.

I would also like to do two things, one is to stetch this post out as long as possible by any means neccesary so as to get revenge for all the long posts you all made me read. The other is to make a point, I have heard 'bs' get mentioned many times both here and in other such forums. Either as an attack, dismiss, or a simple observation. In my experience I have never claimed bs, I dont always believe people but to make such a remark is not only tempting fate but it also seems very arrogant to me. I would suggest you all keep an open mind to all things and even if you disbelieve try to remember what it feels like to have bs called on you. "If you ignore the unlikely, the impossible will bite you in the butt."

Tayesin, A very interesting post there.. I have encountered many with the sensation that something incredible approaches but rarely do I find anybody who has plainly 'known' about the war with out needing to read theorys and the such. "Higher-beings" however is a term I would avoid if I were you, lol. As for the belief structure being blown wide open as a result of the war, well frankly I see that to be the only plus to all this. The humans will have to accept the world that is still sickeningly labeled 'Paranormal' or 'Supernatural' (Yeauurgh!)as a real and tangable matter. They will have to accept astral and alien cultures and the fact that things truely do exist that you cannot touch or see. They will be forced to get up of their asses and create a free society to unite. The window we have to reach them in is small but as I have always said, It may well be the human beings that save us all in the end..

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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2004, 05:55:07 »

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Blackstream, I'm pretty sure I did answer your questions... umm... **checks** yup, its there allright, but for some reason it doesnt show up under the text window as you type a new message, you will have to actually go to the first page to see it.


I just checked the first page again.  The questions you answered were halfphased's questions, not my questions.  After that you got into a discussion with the dude that was like, "dude you are wrong".
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2004, 12:02:27 »

QuietStorm- We all know you love Oazaki, so you can definitely calm down.  You sound like a minion spreading "his word".  I've been there done that, and it's best to just do what you must do, instead of praising Oazaki like some prophet.  

"The Founder"- What is the reason for this post again?  If anything, do not think you are one of the "elite" or "favored" or being "original" at all, right now you are number 101 preaching the word of war.

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2004, 16:08:38 »

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QuietStorm- We all know you love Oazaki, so you can definitely calm down.  You sound like a minion spreading "his word".  I've been there done that, and it's best to just do what you must do, instead of praising Oazaki like some prophet.  



Yes I am aware of that.

Are you also aware that I am "spreading his word" because the more people I can get to accept his "word" as a possibility the more it will manifest, and therefore I am part of the manifestation, and I am getting others to also participate in this manifestation in something that we all want deep down inside, because I beleive it is exactly what the collective human consciousness wants to happen. Just by accepting it as a possibility and anticipating the events he has written about, will manifest it. Did you read my excerpt from Oneness: The Teachings?
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2004, 17:38:53 »

What do you mean? I thought I made myself clear that I am aware of many who also know of or are part of the war and that I did not expect to be the first here to talk of it. I also would re-point that I do not ever preech. As for me being origional or favoured or whatever, I think you misunderstood my porpose here. I am not trying to gain attention but to draw your attention to the war. This is not about me, I just want to do my part to help others prepare for it. If anything your 101 figure, if it is accurate strengthens my case.
Just be prepared for anything, that is all I suggest.

Quiet storm... I am open minded so I do not judge. Your organisation sounds like it has much potential but... the more you tell me of it the more... 'cult-like' it begins to seem. Perhaps you should watch out for that. Just an observation.

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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2004, 21:23:14 »

I must apologize for my post. It was more a vent, and although is something I believe isnt a total sum of what I believe.
I dont want to make it seem as though I attempt to cry bs on everyone for their own opinions and actions here, but when reading through this entire site, interconnected with the thousands of others, and being a person connected to a mass array of those whom I have known that believed themselves in one way or another to be part of some intergalactic conspiracy, or interspecies breeding pattern, or new age cosmic prophet, all powerful monk, super-genetic strain of humans, and so on, it becomes not tiring, but painfully exhausting to reread warnings about this or this happening.

I dont like to tell people what they believe is unlikely or bs, because in reality, I dont know, and to tell someone this is to follow ones own folley.
What I attempt is to help people look inward of themselves and find a truth that can be accepted not only of themselves, but everyone.
Reality is painful, but beautiful and should be embraced, even if it does not contain the imagination we wish it to.

The Founder, I appreciate anything you say and the fact that you are just giving us warnings and allowing us in to your own insights and knowledge.
I never meant to accuse you of anything, that was not my meaning.
Im tired.

I want just as much as any of you to find the truth and to see our truths revealed, but I cannot accept a vast majority of what people say here because it, although a good place to escape into for me, is also damaging to my perceptions of reality.
People can tell me, "Then dont come and read these posts." But when you desire something deep within the soul, something that rages within you, and you want to share it and know others are there as well, can you just ignore it?
again, Im sorry if anyone was offended or felt I was pointing fingers.
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2004, 21:59:12 »

Why any of you want to insist on manifesting things that can only lead to death, destruction, ruin, suffering and pain.  If that is what you want for your own lives -- wars and devastation -- have at it.  However, the rest of humanity may just want something else like a peaceful country, food to eat, a job to go to, a doctor for their children, and a whole lot of necessities you take for granted.

Perhaps if you ever really had to try to live in a war zone and the extreme devastation and poverty that usually goes with it, you might not be so eager to be invaded or see WWIII in your backyard.

Why not try manifesting healing the earth and all living things, including us, on it?  Or how about wisdom and strength for the people of the world - the ordinary people -- who must endure the very things you seem to relish and would welcome with a lot of see-I-told-you-so's.  

How dare you speak for what humanity wants?  Better you should try to manifest the goodness that humanity can become.  

Sure, there will be wars.  There have always been wars.  They are not things to be enjoyed, although there are many that are itching for a mighty big one.  The real question is, why are some of you here among them?
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2004, 23:57:17 »

Jenadots, someone has to be revved up for war.  If none of the young people wanted to go to war then the old people would have to go.  And everyone knows that the elderly don't do very well running acrossed battlefields.  So we have young, eager men to keep the freedom so the elderly can have social security, medicare, dental, jobs, etc.  Every country owes its soverignty and rights to the young men and women who fight for them.  So I applaud those that are willing to fight for their family and friends because if they didn't then you would.

Also, I am in complete agreement with The Founder and QuietStorm.  It doesn't take a genius to know that this is all going to breakdown soon.

Finally, I would also like to state that I am not for the U.S. military.  When I said I am for those that will fight I meant those that will fight for humanity in general and not become some government owned meat puppet.
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2004, 01:16:51 »

jennadots, although I agree war is a horrible thing and peace should be strived for, I think you misunderstand the overall aspect of what many here desire.
It is not for the aspect of war itself. People do not wish (unless they have issues)for death and violence manifesting in their neighborhoods to their own families and friends.
It is for the underlying end result that war brings.
Change.
In a world that recycles itself, using old ideas and structured beliefs in order to create new empires and new threads of ideal political order, it is not uncommon nor unnatural for many to want revolution.
Many people want a new world of peace where we can all love and hug each other and all is good.
Although it is part of our nature to strive for this, sadly it is not possible without also ridding ourselves of another natural part of who we are, conflict.

To say that peace such as that is fantasy is pessimistic and only those whose drive at times is towards the unreachable are the people who make the most difference in our world.
Realize though that much change in the world as it is will not come without conflict, and at this point in our history many many people look towards an endgame conflict that will either bring all or nothing to the plate.
Please dont look at many of us who discuss these end times subjects as desiring death and war, it is quite the opposite for most in fact.
Just know that we cannot have one without the other. We are a divided race, in gender, belief, personal independance, culture and so on.

Thrive in our nature and see what we are, do not deny it, for that is what truly builds the walls of ignorance.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2004, 01:27:50 »

I think a compramise is needed. Yes I am prepared to fight for the humans and will do whatever I must to protect them. For the last time however, and I fail to see why it has not yet gotten accross, I do NOT relish the war. It has been my lifelong curse to know about it and know I can do nothing to prevent it. So don't you dare preech to me about manifesting a better future Jenedots as I would fix everything with the click of my fingers if I could. I know it is coming and I will fight to do what I think is right. I do not want to fight, I do not want to kill, but it is what I am trained for, it is what I am here to do. That is all I am capable of. That doesn't mean I have to sit here and like it, the very fact that I am trying to help you all become aware of it should prove that at least. We still must all be prepered to fight for the brighter future, even if it is just an illution we have to believe... Because we need belief, Thats all there is.

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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2004, 01:42:41 »

Alright, this is all I got to ask... because it's the only one of my questions you honestly really haven't asked.

Have you seen any physical effects of this upcoming shift?  Things like items appearing out of nowhere, abnormal amping psychic abilities for no real reason, being able to change reality (text in a book, stuff like that), noticing the effect of a change, stuff like that.
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2004, 01:45:24 »

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Why any of you want to insist on manifesting things that can only lead to death, destruction, ruin, suffering and pain.  If that is what you want for your own lives -- wars and devastation -- have at it.  However, the rest of humanity may just want something else like a peaceful country, food to eat, a job to go to, a doctor for their children, and a whole lot of necessities you take for granted.

Perhaps if you ever really had to try to live in a war zone and the extreme devastation and poverty that usually goes with it, you might not be so eager to be invaded or see WWIII in your backyard.

Why not try manifesting healing the earth and all living things, including us, on it?  Or how about wisdom and strength for the people of the world - the ordinary people -- who must endure the very things you seem to relish and would welcome with a lot of see-I-told-you-so's.  

How dare you speak for what humanity wants?  Better you should try to manifest the goodness that humanity can become.  

Sure, there will be wars.  There have always been wars.  They are not things to be enjoyed, although there are many that are itching for a mighty big one.  The real question is, why are some of you here among them?



Jenadots you are failing to see the other half of the picture, or perhaps even the other 3/4 of the picture.

You are restricting yuorself to see only the negative aspects of this war.

This war is necessary. If this war weren't gonna happen, the one's in power would not change, simply because it is their NATURE to dominate and control, and to feed off of negative emotions. The world would continue to be corrupt, and the world would continue to be like this until all of humanity will cease become extinct and I assume that would have been very soon if nothing was done about it.

See, humankind has gone through enough, and its about TIME we break free from these patterns of corruption, and injustice. We want justice, and I am sure I can speak for EVERY HUMAN BEING on this earth about this.

You can't deny that every human being likes justice, even if not on the surface but on the deepest levels I know they want it. The ones in power have NO respect for humankind. It is out RIGHT God GIVEN RIGHT to be free.

We have suffered enough. And yea I would love for life to be alot more pleasant, which is one of the bigger reasons why I beleive in this, and yea I can be a part of the manifestation which is why I am taking part in it, and more.

Please try to see the FULL reality of this situation instead of seeing only half of it. When you do, you will come to understand exactly what we are speaking of. Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2004, 02:03:19 »

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Yes, I think everyone here wan'ts a world of peace, where we can all love and hug each other, but we first must take down the system that is suppressing us to do so, and take down the ones manipulating most of humanity into thinking that we are not One with all that is reguardless of race, culture, etc etc.

I think after this war there will be the longest running peace that we have ever experienced before. It'll be almost a perfect society, where everyone loves each other and works as a team, where we are free to do anything we want without supressive thoughts or people to tell you that it is not "cool" to express yourself, and also there will be free knowledge of metaphysical topics. We have a right to know the truth.

JenaDots, I think you are mistaking us for WANTING war. Well, If it wasn't for the "powers that be" wanting to have control of us, and not wanting to "realize" that what they do is "wrong", than there wouldnt have to be a war. That isn't going to happen. The powers that be will go out "guns blazin" as I said before.

Open yourself up to the other side of reality, and embrace both the male and female aspects, and the positive and negative aspects.
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2004, 02:21:24 »

Its 4am and I cant be bothered reading anything so I'll just reply to Blackstream for now. Yes I have answered that, quite clearly. There is no way to proove none physical matters in a physical enviroment. I have told you of the time that many people simultaniously sensed the veil getting damaged and I offor only the feeling that many seem to have that the war aproaches. Also that there are those like myself who have prophesised it. However I am not here to provide you with evidence and I know that sounds rude or cold but frankly Im too tired to think of polite phrasing, so sorry about that. I know many people who have either seen the occasional physical daemon, I even heard of an angelkin that transformed once. I however have seen little physical mumbo jumbo that links to the kind of evidence you suggested. Nor can I see how moving text or manifesting objects would have anything to do with this war.
Sorry I couldn't be more help.

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2004, 04:18:43 »

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There is no way to proove none physical matters in a physical enviroment. I have told you of the time that many people simultaniously sensed the veil getting damaged and I offor only the feeling that many seem to have that the war aproaches.

Read my post again, was I asking for proof?  No.  All I was asking was if you've seen physical things happening lately... unexplainable things that would be a sign of the veil between astral and physical weaking.

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Also that there are those like myself who have prophesised it.

Mankind has been doing this for centuries... which is why I was asking for more than prophesy or gut instinct.  So many dates over the last 2000 years everyone has thought would be the "end times".  Even back right around when Jesus died (assuming you people believe he existed, even if only as a man) people thought might be end times.  Hense why I asked if you've seen anything more than prophesy and gut.


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However I am not here to provide you with evidence and I know that sounds rude or cold but frankly Im too tired to think of polite phrasing, so sorry about that.

First off, I didn't ask for evidence.  Second off, if your mission is really to convince us that a war is coming, don't you think evidence would be benificial to your cause?  I know why you aren't, but thought I'd point that out.

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I know many people who have either seen the occasional physical daemon, I even heard of an angelkin that transformed once.

This is exactly the type of stuff I'm talking about.  Thanks.  Was all I was asking, was it that hard?

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I however have seen little physical mumbo jumbo that links to the kind of evidence you suggested.

Some people on here have actually reported such things... such as Beavis.  Beavis has reported having objects teleport around, and he's changed text on books and stuff.  Just wondering if you've noticed anything as well.  That's all.  The more people that see such things, the more I'm inclined to believe Smiley

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Nor can I see how moving text or manifesting objects would have anything to do with this war.


I'll lay it out real simple for you.

Manifesting objects = not something that should happen in physical reality.

Manifesting objects therefore indicates in changing physical laws.

Changing physical laws could be explained by the veil weakening.

This supports your viewpoint that a war is coming because one of the 2 things would then be happening (the veil weaking, and the forces that wish to attack us being the 2 things).

Thus, manefesting objects = support for the war.
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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2004, 11:38:33 »

The veil is weakening and the planes do near each other. However until they actually merge when the veil collapses there is no reason for such odd events to take place in relation to this merging. Let me put what you have said in a different perspective.


I offer plausible undeniable things like, gut-instinct and prophesy. Sure they can't be proven but they are sensible and realistic.

You however would rather believe mindless ramblings about reality going weird and ridicules events taking place.

Not only would these things simply not happen, but they would be completely unrelated to the war. It seems you just want to hear about bizarre events, why? For gossip sakes perhaps? I don't know.. but it is stupid stories like that which give metaphysics a bad name. The physical laws will not cease to exist during the merge they will just be 'diluted' if you will into the apparent laws of the astral world. We will have the same restrictions but they will merely be weaker and we will have astral restrictions and advantages as well. Books changing text, and teleporting objects are either made up or due to another course. I don't claim to believe or disbelieve them but I Wouldn't steak too much on them.

One other point I would make is to point out how you made a deal about the fact that you did not actually ask for evidence. "Read my post again, was I asking for proof? No. All I was asking was if you've seen physical things happening lately" before later saying... "Which is why I was asking for more than prophesy or gut instinct" So... let my clarify this. You are not asking for evidence but you are asking for.. umm, proof? You may not have said that particular word but you were still asking for evidence my friend. In the past I have been badly mistreated by sceptics who all started out with a similar post to yourself, I guess it made me a little paranoid so I am sorry if I overreacted. I also learned much from those events, one of which being the fact that I MUST make it clear that I can offer NO evidence because quite simply it does not exist. I have to make it clear that I am aware of this fact and that I am sorry for it. I accept if any of you choose to disbelieve me due to this fact.

The thing I mentioned about the daemons and the angel transforming were not related to the war they are simply the most bizarre things I have come across in my life (That you would believe anyway.)Plus I offered no proof of these events happening so I do not understand your keenness to believe it. Especially when there are many who corroborate with my "gut instinct" theory. I ask that you still remain open to all possibilities as I do. However I would suggest a little common sense to be used as well. Do not look for unusual physical events despite that I have heard an increase in these kinds of stories recently. Try to focus more on what WILL happen with the falling of the veil. If you don't quite know what that is yet then I will happily explain my ideas in greater detail.
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P.S Iím sure Jenedots is regretting his wording in that post by now, lets leave him alone, lol.

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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2004, 11:42:10 »

I also have intuitional feelings about all this.  And they tell me this is just another phase, like the Ki-Kids in the energy forum.  But, don't mind me, I can't stand this post... No not because of fear or whatever you might think.  Fear...just another thing to laugh at, just like this war idea.

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« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2004, 13:32:02 »

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I offer plausible undeniable things like, gut-instinct and prophesy. Sure they can't be proven but they are sensible and realistic.


You seem a tad bit defensive.  Let's be honest.  Nothing you have is going to be enough proof for me to believe.  Your gut instinct and your prophesy are anything but plausible and undeniable.  Take Oazaki from these boards.  He has both of those things yet is probably dead wrong.  I've had many gut instincts in the past that have been wrong, and seen many prophesy's in the past that have been wrong (like Y2K = end of world).  There have been plenty before that like I've said where tons of people's gut instincts and prophesy's were wrong.  

Which is why I'm looking to see if there's any reason to believe this time is any more special other than something has been repeated for the last 1000 years.  If you have had experiences that might say "fall of veil" is coming.  Everyone feelings "something" when those demons supposedly fell is one thing that supports your cause.  I didn't feel it so it doesn't do so much for me.  If you say there will be no physical/astral mixes of reality before the fall of the veil, then there's no reason at all for me to look at any of what anyone says with any more than a "I'll keep that in mind" mindset.

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You, however would rather believe mindless ramblings about reality going weird and ridicules events taking place.

Not only would these things simply not happen, but they would be completely unrelated to the war. It seems you just want to hear about bizarre events, why? For gossip sakes perhaps? I don't know.. but it is stupid stories like that which give metaphysics a bad name. The physical laws will not cease to exist during the merge they will just be 'diluted' if you will into the apparent laws of the astral world.

It's these kind of responses that make me not really want to believe what you are saying.  You preach the idea of a veil between realities falling and a demon war taking place, and if I ask if anything is going on that might signal that astral laws are starting to appear in a physical world or that a astral universe is closer do to a weaker veil, you state that my views are "mindless" and that I just want to look for "bizzare" events for "gossips" sake.

First off, how many veil fallings have you been through?  That's what I thought.  So how do you know exactly what would happen when such a thing weakens?  To me, the idea that laws might slowly leak in, or abilities might highten, or laws leak in slightly during veil "hits" makes sense, and I've seen posts in here from respectable members that supports that theory.  Calling my theory "mindless" is nothing short of closed minded as you have no proof of what would happen.



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We will have the same restrictions but they will merely be weaker and we will have astral restrictions and advantages as well. Books changing text, and teleporting objects are either made up or due to another course. I don't claim to believe or disbelieve them but I Wouldn't steak too much on them.

I only pointed those things out because those are things I believe one can do in the astral.  Substitute what I said with any simple ability one can do in the astral, or any of the simple abilities one will get after the merge, and that's what I'm looking for.

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One other point I would make is to point out how you made a deal about the fact that you did not actually ask for evidence.


Proof would be undeniable evidence that something exists.  I'm not asking for that because you can't give it to me.  The only way you could give me undeniable evidence that a veil is weakening is to somehow scientifically detect and measure the veil and show me how it's weakening over time.  What I am, however, is asking if you had more than gut to go off of.

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Plus I offered no proof of these events happening so I do not understand your keenness to believe it. Especially when there are many who corroborate with my "gut instinct" theory.

This does add a little bit of credence, but as I've already stated, many people have had the same gut instinct about the same things many times in the past.  Usually involving dates that everyone thiks will be the end of the world.  1980 something was one of those dates if I remember correctly.  Tons of people thought it was the ratupre, walked out on that day to disappear, walked back at the end of the day disillusioned.  Tons of gut instinct and prophesy, all wrong.


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Try to focus more on what WILL happen with the falling of the veil. If you don't quite know what that is yet then I will happily explain my ideas in greater detail.
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Sure, go ahead and tell me what exactly what will happen when the laws merge.  What will and won't be possible?  I'm kinda curious.

Finally, let me state that you having seen a coke bottle appear out of nowhere when you wished you had one isn't going to make me suddenly believe that a) that happpened and b) your theory is correct.  What it will do is give me something to say, "hey, these 50 people have all said that things are moving around and that the veil is falling and that psychic abilities and stuff are all naturally ramping up.... one of those people could have been deluded and/or lying... but all 50?  Maybe there is something to this after all"

However, for the reasons I've already stated, while gut instinct is nice, it's nowhere near good enough to take any extra measures for the war than I'm already planning to take (i.e., upping my energy training from NEW, maybe taking some martial arts, ect).
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« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2004, 17:15:51 »

Hopefully that should be pretty much all you need to do.

You are quite right, I was both defensive and closed minded in that last post and I appologise sincerely, it is not the kind of impression I should give and it is definitly not my usual nature. As I said, I have history with these things and I guess I overeacted.

I have not been through a merging before to my knowledge so no, I don't know for sure what it will be like. To be honest what you have said is right, there are unusual events taking place and so called 'paranormal' occurences have risen considerably, I also believe this is in relation to the merging. However, many times I ahve seen people decide to neglect their preperation for the merging because they have gone 'paranormal investigating' mad in trying to track these occurences and I don't like to see it happen. You must focus on preperation for the merging. These unusual events are just byproducts of the bigger picture.

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« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2004, 18:48:23 »

Blackstream:

Evidence? I don't have any but I can seriously say that more and more synchronicities have been happening lately, and on a more massive and more blatant scale. I have also had more lucid dreams. I have also been having "visions" of disasters happening. I have also seen things "blink" right in front of my eyes, like there was a "glitch in the Matrix". I also see the matter in front of me pulsing with energy. Also, have you noticed the sun lately? It is like 10 times brighter than it was before, and now its even white, when before it was more... yellowish. Also, the density of the atmosphere is changing alot.

Here is what you may want to look at: http://ufophysics.com/russisun.htm

Its a short article which says that Russian scientists are doing massive research, studies and experiments on the solar system's changes. The viel which is falling can also be explained by science. It is safe to say that, if we are heading toawrds a place in space which is very high in energy (like the article says), that our bodies will also raise in vibration, thus making the earth's people become aware and perceive the 4rth density/dimension. It also states that with this the state of MATTER will change. So this might be the physical evidence that you may have been looking for. Smiley

Also, not just me, but a lot of people are having alot more spiritaul experiences lately.

Like my sensei. Yesterday after class there was this white dove on sensei's car, like it was part of the car, or decoration for the car. It was just sitting there like it HAD to. When he found out about this he was like "OMG that is the same dove that flew into the dojo yesterday, and sat on my desk!". He told the story to everyone else witnessing this, there were about 20-25 people. He said that a white dove yesterday flew INTO the dojo, as if it was on a mission to do so, and sat perfectly in front of him on his desk. The dove didn't seem to fly in by mistake. It seemed as if it flew into the dojo on purpose and sat on his desk. Then, the dove let him pick it up and let it fly out of the dojo. Now look where he appeared AGAIN, the next day, on his jeep, like if it was a part of it. It didn't move, it just stood there right on the jeep.

Sensei told everyone also that someone had told him that very good things will happen during the month of May, and it may have something to do with prosperity. Everyone was in awe, and so was I.

We never came close to the dove, because we just let it sit there, and as for me, I had to leave shortly after, and I didn't want to pass by the car because I thought that if I did, the dove might have gotten scared and flown away, but I did not want to ruin it for sensei. Perhaps the dove was to have a "secret meeting" with him when he locks up the dojo and leaves home. Wink

I will ask him today what happened... perhaps it was freindly towards him. Smiley

But anyways, yea, its things like that, and synchronicities, and more and more vivid dreams. I notice that people's awareness is higher, and also that they are more "caring" towards each other and more "loving"... in a way, or perhaps that may just be the kinds of people I attract with my vibration.

The synchronicities are a big one for me. Always for the past 6 months, about 10 synchs occur in a day, maybe more maybe less, but around that range. They range from subtle to blatant. Its like, the environment speaks to me.

This girl I met about a month ago, she resonates so closely with me. She is not a spiritual girl, she is of a religon yet, we have so much in common its almost magickal. We experience alot of synchronicities and similiarities its magickal seriously, and we think so too. We are both aware of these things. We both like each other and we both experience alot of things that would suggest that we are somehow connected to each other, and that the meetings we have had were "meant to be". In the beginning I made her aware of it but now she is catching on and we both share an awarenes that alot of things are happening right now that are so deep even if we are not "perceiving it" but we ARE aware of it. Whats also wierd is that, this girl, I have done more "relating" to her than any other girl I have known. Most girls I would have "run my game" but this girl, it just flowwwed so smoothly. She is also a girl that I have been "waiting for" as I think most girls, or people in general who have been brainwashed by the media, are products of the media/society. She is as independant as I have wanted a girl to be. I can sense alot of good things to happen with her in the future. Smiley

One time, I saw my keyboard become 2 keyboards. It only happened for a milisecond but it was also one of those "glitches in the matrix".

The thing about I see matter pulsing and vibrating, I see these thnigs all the time. Also things are very much brighter. It has a siginifant amount of brightness to it.

I hope that helps. [Cheesy]

Edit: You might also want to read the post "Day After Tomorrow" thread here in the same forum topic.
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