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« on: January 09, 2013, 05:00:23 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y

  Wow, Alex Jones sure has a lot of passion!

 I thought he was going to get up and punch Piers out on Live TV.
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2013, 06:48:59 »

Oh dear... is this going to separate the guns from the men?

I saw this earlier yesterday.

I dislike piers Morgan quite a bit... it takes someone special to make him look good. This guy did it. eeeek

I'm not sure whether it's passion or sheer idiocy. I can't decide. I think if I was Piers Morgan I would have started really really taking the mickey out of him to raise him past meltdown. I didn't dig his silly English accent at the end... but what is funny is that when he started doing his UK accent it was the only time he seemed to make a decent point.

This has become very popular in the UK... it's sort of redeeming Morgan's career because he remained so calm. Damn you Alex!!

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2013, 15:59:16 »

Come home Mr Morgan so you can be arrested =p

Alex did the right thing because Mr Morgan would no doubt will not let him speak and will probably call him names as he does to most of his guest. It was very sneaky of him to pull the 9/11 card on Alex because that has nothing to do with the subject and sadly Alex fell for his "conspiracy theorist" on the bottom screen trick for the viewers to see.

Alex was in full control and said what he needed to say. It's up to the American people to listen to him or the media who are now turning him into something he's not.

As for mr Morgan o_O what on earth is he doing there attacking the Americans? Has he ran away from us D=
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 16:25:24 »

I've always liked Alex Jones, yet rarely agree with him. I just like that there is someone out there questioning EVERYTHING.

He's mostly just entertaining to me though. He was best in the late 90's - early 00's when he was on the street with a megaphone yelling at random people. But I think if he seriously wanted to make a change he wouldn't get so borderline crazy when he gets amped up, especially while debating. That's one reason a lot of people will never take him seriously, but I guess it works well for his dedicated followers.

This documentary is a somewhat objective look at Jones and others like him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28film%29

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 16:26:06 »

I think he's attacking the gun law.

I really thought it would shock everyone... Alex Jones' aggressive and limited intelligence rant... making US people look bad.

It's quite scary to think he is the voice of America... Now I am worried. Please don't tell me that.

Morgan is a ponce... and I would hate to think anyone would think he was the voice of the UK...

"Alex.... Alex.... Alex....Alex... If I... Alex.... Alex.... Alex... Alex... The s.... Alex.... Alex... Alex... etc" He is a willy.

Please tell me Alex Jones (who I have never heard of) is like an actor or he isn't really arguing. Is he actually for real?

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 21:43:45 »

Hey B, Morgan a ponce?
We know you can do a better adjective.  heeheehee.
Better not though, ramifications eh.

British?
Forget the B,r and i,  the first two are the last tripped after being told to be quiet onomatopoeically from the start.

Simple enough lol.

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 23:29:26 »

You know... I am an artist to the core and am absolutely bamboozled by cryptic clues. Seriously no matter how they are explained to me I just simply can't get do them. It's a shortcoming of which I'm not particularly bothered by but it does mean that I will say I haven't got a clue what you mean.

Ok... Here's how I read that...

Forget B,r and I... we are left with 'tsh'.... First two letters? ts? shhhh is an onomatopoeic way for being told to be quiet... tshhh? Tripped over?

See.. totally useless.

Actually... Morgan doesn't bother me that much.. he's just a knob. They Both are.

One is a guy who used to deal in human exploitation and the other one just doesn't know better. This was no argument for gun law in america. It was a joke.

I could pose a better argument for the pro gun side than Alex. He just shot himself in the foot (no pun intended) by answering Piers' question about 9/11. Sort of exposed him as a ranter who can't string a coherent sentence together. He reminds me a little bit of the type of crazy they would bring onto UFO programmes to make all UFO enthusiasts look like a bunch of absolute cuckoos. Any actual objective message getting through can just be completely annihilated by bringing up reptilians. Anything he answered was completely trashed by that 9/11 thing. It wasn't actually sneaky it was clever. It got the guy to basically confess that he was fundamentally against the same governmeACEnt that is put in place to protect the 2nd amendment.

I love getting into these discussions as a UK citizen because I have a unique view on firearms and US gun laws. I hold a Concealed semi automatic hand gun permit issued to me by the State of Texas and also an Armalite AR4/M16/M16A2/carbine Armorers licence, issued to me by the state of Louisiana and Shreveport, Caddo Parish police dept. Stick that in your gun and smoke it.

Me and Lurch from the Adams family. I am holding a MTAR-21/Tavor-2 bullpup The other guy an Armalite M4.


This is obviously an AK47. The film 'can' I'm holding is from Harry Potter. Look at the grouping.


and this is my FNP90. Look how happy I am to be owning my own high powered assault rifle using a 2nd party class 3 firearms and explosives permit. Who says working in Practical Special Effects doesn't have its merits?

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 11:02:34 »


and this is my FNP90. Look how happy I am to be owning my own high powered assault rifle using a 2nd party class 3 firearms and explosives permit. Who says working in Practical Special Effects doesn't have its merits?




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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 13:37:31 »

Well, it is very clear as Morgan says that Alex Jones is a very loud, very obnoxious man.

I don't believe Alex Jones is as incapable of holding a debate as that "interview" would lead one to think though. I think he purposefully did this as part of his stagecraft; Alex Jones is good at engineering his personality to be what he thinks his viewers want to see. Rather than the base and senseless performance he gave, I tend to believe it was extremely calculated and planned out on his part.

Although I don't think I could agree with his choice of rhetoric, I do fundamentally think he is correct in this issue.

The US second ammendment is very clearly the right to revolution. Countless excerpts from Benjamin Franklin, John Jay's Federalist Papers, Jefforson's writings, and many others make very clear the population is meant to be armed in order to protect itself from eventual oppression by the government. In order for this to be meaningful, the population needs access to high powered weapons. Weapons like that have no place on the streets, and should not be granted public-carry licenses, but they also must not be kept from the hands of the population, and should remain boxed up as a reminder.

Obama is making motions to sign possible executive orders related to gun control. In doing so he entirely circumvents congress, which the constitution explicity states has the sole right to legislate on such matters. He is using a tiny clause of the consitution which allows the president to make orders on small clerical matters as justification to produce orders which violate both the letter and the spirit of the constitution as a whole, and I believe he should be held accountable for failing to uphold the constitution as he swore to.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 14:20:43 »

I thought personal arms were to protect yourself from criminals or outside
enemies, not the government? The US government probably doesn't
trust their own people that much, why else have electoral votes
instead of presidential election by direct democracy?
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 16:04:27 »

The US government probably doesn't trust their own people that much, ...
Also: The DHS bought tons of ammunition and then there are the FEMA camps which are being prepared to function as re-education camps. Seems they expect a civil war to start.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 17:21:07 »


Is that you ?

Yeah.


Well, it is very clear as Morgan says that Alex Jones is a very loud, very obnoxious man.

I don't believe Alex Jones is as incapable of holding a debate as that "interview" would lead one to think though. I think he purposefully did this as part of his stagecraft; Alex Jones is good at engineering his personality to be what he thinks his viewers want to see. Rather than the base and senseless performance he gave, I tend to believe it was extremely calculated and planned out on his part.

Seriously? If you actually listen he is rambling and bringing up irrelevant facts. He's like that person in a situation who has got the wrong end of the stick in a conversation and never gets invited again. That wasn't calculated otherwise he wouldn't have fell into the 9/11 trap that Piers set for him. But... it is evident that you are a slight fan of Alex Jones... I on the other hand don't like either of them at all.

Also.. this argument they are having is turned into a British/American thing as it is. Piers Morgan doesn't need to be there... really bad choice of interviewer. The USA doesn't need the UK to point out the massive rift between the country. They are doing that by themselves. So sad.

In the South... where I have spent time in the States... there are no school shootings. People in most parishes can leave their doors unlocked and don't need metal detectors at school entrances. Mainly because everybody probably owns a gun because of the very liberal gun laws. So to take the guns away from those who's life it is part of.... will instil a civil war.. for sure. The US is split at the moment and in an extremely sensitive time in their history. What happens in the next 5 years will be very important.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 21:50:43 »

I'm very pro-gun and not a fan of either of them but Alex should have calmed down and could have done a lot better. Perhaps Alex acted like that because Piers was a total DB in an interview a few weeks with ago with Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America.

If Obama really wants to implement significant gun restrictions that will just ensure a huge turnout for republicans in the next election. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 22:37:04 »

Very true.

I don't know what the outcome would be.

See... I am pro-gun really. If I lived in the US I would strive to collect guns. They are fun... beautifully engineered. That's on thing I couldn't get over when introduced to them; how beautifully made they are. I am quite confident that I wouldn't shoot anyone. I have some antique and modern Samurai Katanas. I have never been tempted to use one. I have been woken in the middle of the night because of intruders and never once grabbed hold of a sword.

It's down to the person I think.

I had a fantastic conversation with a gun professor in Alabama. He actually has the biggest gun collection for a single civilian in the the US apparently. So you can imagine he has quite a few. He spent time in the UK for about 10 years. He actually made the astute observation that if the British were armed we would be relatively more trigger happy. I couldn't argue with that. We are more inclined to be cynical and angry at each other.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 02:53:01 »

I have seen some of Alex Jones' broadcasts, because I watch a lot of alternative media (I like to get every angle I can); my opinion of his show is that he is selling fear-pornography- I think that he probably entertains every new-world-order-type conspiracy there is, largely for ratings.

That said, there is indeed slight overlap between my views and his (around 20%), because I support a small number of libertarian policies, and he happens to be an arch-libertarian (I think the public's will should have a big say in what wars are fought and which aren't; I believe the way the legal system, approaches scheduled substances needs to change; and I think firearms, as much as I dislike violence, especially violence in media, are a necessary pillar of a society that does not need to fear its government). I also think he is borderline psychotic and abusive to people who don't share his views, lol, and that his persona is fairly deceptive.

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Seriously? If you actually listen he is rambling and bringing up irrelevant facts. He's like that person in a situation who has got the wrong end of the stick in a conversation and never gets invited again. That wasn't calculated otherwise he wouldn't have fell into the 9/11 trap that Piers set for him. But... it is evident that you are a slight fan of Alex Jones... I on the other hand don't like either of them at all.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 02:58:20 »

I agree with you entirely. More so than the supposition I used in that quote... you quoted.  grin
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I thought personal arms were to protect yourself from criminals or outside
enemies, not the government? The US government probably doesn't
trust their own people that much, why else have electoral votes
instead of presidential election by direct democracy?

There was a lot said around the revolutionary time about the idea of "natural rights", which philosophers believed were granted by god or nature directly to every man. Along these lines, Samuel Adams says:

 
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"To vindicate these rights, says Mr. Blackstone, when actually violated or attack'd, the subjects of England are entitled first to the regular administration and free course of justice in the courts of law--next to the right of petitioning the King and parliament for redress of grievances--and lastly, to the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence." These he calls "auxiliary subordinate rights, which serve principally as barriers to protect and maintain inviolate the three great and primary rights of personal security, personal liberty and private property": And that of having arms for their defence he tells us is "a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression."--

Then there are numberous mentions from the federalist papers which all more or less explain that the language of the second amendment pertained specifically to the right to revolt:

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The Second Amendment refers to “a well-regulated militia.”The right of the people to form citizen militias was unquestioned by the Founders.

A. The Federalist Papers, No. 28: Alexander Hamilton expressed that when a government betrays the people by amassing too much power and becoming tyrannical, the people have no choice but to exercise their original right of self-defense — to fight the government.[Halbrook, p. 67]

B. The Federalist Papers, No. 29: Alexander Hamilton explained that an armed citizenry was the best and only real defense against a standing army becoming large and oppressive. [Halbrook, p. 67]

C. The Federalist Papers, No. 46: James Madison contended that ultimate authority resides in the people, and that if the federal government got too powerful and overstepped its authority, then the people would develop plans of resistance and resort to arms. [Halbrook, p. 67]

http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm

You can go on and on to literally dozens of statements like this that make it explicit what was meant.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 11:17:03 »

The high crime rates in some places of the US and the authorities poor
job of doing anything against it, leads me to wonder if the leaders
want criminals and thus more weapons to circulate. It's a circle.
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 16:26:13 »


There was a lot said around the revolutionary time about the idea of "natural rights", which philosophers believed were granted by god or nature directly to every man. Along these lines, Samuel Adams says:

 
Then there are numberous mentions from the federalist papers which all more or less explain that the language of the second amendment pertained specifically to the right to revolt:

http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm

You can go on and on to literally dozens of statements like this that make it explicit what was meant.

So constitutionally, guns have to be legally available if people decide to create a militia, correct?
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 16:46:42 »

Haha... in a roundabout way this can be correct. Or to be able to defend against a militia... visa versa
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2013, 18:47:18 »

I have seen some of Alex Jones' broadcasts, because I watch a lot of alternative media (I like to get every angle I can); my opinion of his show is that he is selling fear-pornography- I think that he probably entertains every new-world-order-type conspiracy there is, largely for ratings.
That said, there is indeed slight overlap between my views and his (around 20%), because I support a small number of libertarian policies, and he happens to be an arch-libertarian (I think the public's will should have a big say in what wars are fought and which aren't; I believe the way the legal system, approaches scheduled substances needs to change; and I think firearms, as much as I dislike violence, especially violence in media, are a necessary pillar of a society that does not need to fear its government). I also think he is borderline psychotic and abusive to people who don't share his views, lol, and that his persona is fairly deceptive.
Same with me. I agree with Jones being a fear-(pornography)-monger. His personality is also ... well .. difficult. He should calm down once in a while especially if s.o. does not share his opinion 100%. He is a little crazy indeed. And this does some damage to the cause.

The cause itself, however, is not entirely bad. Although there are falsehoods and exaggerations, many issues they deal with on Infowars (as do other alternative media outlets too, of course) are really important. And on some issues, for me they seem really to be spot-on (e.g. GMO food, politics corruption and war mongery, the election charade, war-against-terror-pretense for drones and the growing surveillance Big Brother state, FEMA camps for reeducation of 'uncooperatives' (and this is TRUE, they linked a document form an army site!), etc.).

Remember it's not only A. Jones but he has a team. Some of them seem more reasonable to me. And for me this is REAL investigative and critical journalism, although it's controversial and exaggerated in some or aspects ... but I'd rather accept that (and a rising population does worldwide) than further being (force-)fed the state-propaganda corporate mainstream news only.

I don't read on the infowars or prison planet website a lot, btw, but mostly watch some of the clips on http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel.

Although I am not American I feel it is important to be informed for all of us as the US is dominating "the West" and everything that happens there also happens here in Europe on a comparable or even very similar scale (sometimes with a little time delay). Still, I am also on other alternative media outlets in my country as we have a few good ones now. It is growing and that is a good sign. And here are also many serious and reasonable people (REAL journalists!) far from being of a kind of mad men like Jones (or being like the mainstream "presstitutes"  wink).
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"presstitutes"  wink).
Presstitutes, such a fitting name. I  submit a motion to vote that in as the number #1 word/title of 2013.

 Anyone to second that motion, lol?  grin
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2013, 13:31:50 »

My god, if a person talked to me like that I will just stand up and leave!. Out of being so damn tired!.

About the guns; here is my opinion.

I understand guns are deep in America's culture. But to my mind, there has to be a tight control if you want to get a gun. I still don't agree with people having guns all around the world.

Here in Spain, having a gun it's illegal. That's it. I prefer to get robbed than killing a person to be honest.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2013, 14:13:56 »

It's more profound that everyone had one but never needed nor felt inclined to use it. That would never happen obviously, but it would show complete restrain.

I have been robbed a few times... I didn't kill them.. but I didn't exactly let them off with a light kiss on the cheek neither... 'attempted robbing' I think is a better description. Touch wood.  wink

Your cops have guns though don't they?

 
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2013, 14:18:22 »

They surely do. But they surely wont shoot at us. If they do...oh boy.

You can see how Spain is right now, people in the streets fighting cops, actually trying to get the guys up there out of there, but cops are in the middle. We don't have anything against cops, it's their job. We're only against the ones up there messing everything up.

If the situation turned into a fire fight, well. I doubt some guns, and automatics will do anything against tanks and planes.
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