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« on: February 02, 2013, 23:08:19 »

I'm an American born and raised in Texas. Guns in my family are a way of life. I'm not really big on hunting but I LOVE to target shoot. It's no exaggeration to say that including both side of my families, we own over a thousand guns. We are a very large family but I admit that is a lot. But as far as I know, they are all good, hard-working people. I state it like that because you just never know.

Growing up, I was taught to have the greatest respect for any gun. You know, treat every gun like it's loaded, never point it at anything you're not willing to shoot, that kind of stuff plus practice of course.  I had my first .22 rifle when I was 13 and it was completely my responsibility. I left it in the corner of my room, unloaded when I wasn't shooting it.

I am a constitution fanatic. I am not in love with my guns, I am in love with my rights.

But times have changed. My family, at least in my parent's house, no longer leaves guns out in the open on rifle racks and the gun safe, more like room, is always locked and it wasn't like that when I was growing up. In hindsight, I know we were probably lucky that we never had any accidents but it's not like we weren't extremely careful. I can't ever envision an America without our gun-rights.

Here in Texas, it's starting to get weird. You can't even say the g-word without the music shutting off.  It's like everybody suspects the other of being against their beliefs or something. It's not paranoia but it's weird. Without getting upset or angry, I would like to hear some opinions about gun rights in America. If you're not from the States, I'm interested even more. Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 23:58:22 »

Haha... I'm from the UK so guns aren't that popular.

I knew about basics like what an AK47 was and an M16 etc

Then I made a Louisiana SWAT and police dep gun dealer all of the Harry Potter wands... this bought me a month holiday in Louisiana, Texas and Alabama whereupon I spent time with police and GUNS. I also designed an electronic flash bang grenade for SWAT training. I also got my concealed hand gun certificate and an M16/M4 carbine armorers qualification.

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I came away from the US knowing how to field strip and service M16s and M4s...

I also stayed for 2 days at a guys house called 'Stan' who apparently has the largest private collection of guns in the state of Alabama. He is a 'gun' professor. When we left his home we drove a tactical freefall nuclear test bomb across the state of Alabama and into Texas. Didn't get stopped once. This was post 911. I will try to find the photograph of me sitting on it and pretending to fill it full of gas near a Mcdondalds... I think I am also holding a FNP90.

I went home with a VERY sore thumb and an aching shoulder.

I realised that guns are a way of life in the South... IN THE SOUTH is I think the operative word.

I met so many families.. and each one had a gun safe.. even gun room. So proud of them. Like a Brit would be passionate about owning a car or a football. Once I understood that it's a cultural right and natural I completely ceased to judge and have an opinion. Seriously.

It is very unfortunate that the recent shootings has uprooted this right to bare arms. It's the reactionary way the world works at the moment; media driven and opinion based. There have been shootings here... there are every day in Birmingham and london. It's just not reported. Guns are totally banned... yet they still get used by the crims.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2013, 01:03:26 »

I have expressed in other threads that although I very much dislike guns and weapons in general, I think it is essential that the population of the US remains well armed. The constitution understood that the rights to keep and use weapons has historically been the distinguishing characteristic between peasants/serfs, and free citizens. The moment a party or government disarms a group is the moment that group is rendered disenfranchised and powerless to refuse what is dealt to them.

It is clear as day that the US. constitution intended to protect the people from suffering again the kind of opression they suffered pre-revolution.

I don't think weapons should be glorified- they are what they are; but their place in society must be respected.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2013, 22:02:20 »

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The US Constitution is Quite Clear about the rights of US citizens to bear arms. AND there are Plenty are strict gun laws already on the books.
Beware of politicians trying to enact newer stricter gun laws. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 00:31:19 »

I am a bit concerned by the memes that are appearing on Facebook and the internet depicting Hitler, Mussolini, general Maou and Stalin with some comment about how they took away citizen ownership of guns and how many citizens were killed, then attributing the same logic to Obama doing it. It's quite scary and reactionary and frankly worse than official government propaganda.

Is the constitution applicable to today?

It was made at a time when there were still fresh aftereffects and memories of civil war... to practically defend yourself against an oppressive arm of government. I mean... at the end of the day, if the US government wished to turn fully on its citizens in spate of a 'civil war'... does a few rifles and some side arms in a lock-up really constitute real defence against a trained and technologically advanced military?

Also... would it not benefit the oppressive government if they allowed the 'problematic' citizens to keep their guns so they can have a good reason to advertise a terrorist-like adversary to attack?

Just thinking allowed.

I am assuming that is what the 'fear' is concerning this potential gun reform.

I have expressed in other threads that although I very much dislike guns and weapons in general, I think it is essential that the population of the US remains well armed.

Why? What is the true fear? What has the US got to fear but themselves?

From an outsiders point of view I can think of an analogy that I can only half complete...

I am a little guppy in the fish tank of the UK... where we swim around.. complain a lot while our Big Fish talk complete shite and sort of moan about the state of pensions and how the big fish seem to make crappy decisions.

Over on the other table is the Fish tank of the US... what's the situation over there?
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2013, 03:46:36 »

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Precisely themselves. The actions of the government in extreme cases.

The true fear is being made to do as one is told, regardless of what they are told, and have no recourse.

When people think about the place of firearms in a civil society, they picture things always being as they are, and ask whether guns fit into that picture; what you really need to do is extrapolate to extreme situations; suppose there were a major shift in the balance of power in the world, and those in the US found themselves closer to the short end of the resource distribution stick like the rest of the world; there would be extreme civil unrest in that case as many people find themselves unable to thrive or even eat in the new resource model; in such a case martial law may be imposed. The U.S. government, over the past 12 years or so, has acquired for itself terrible emergency-time powers to suspend just about every human right a person has, in the name of "protection" or keeping order. Now perhaps the actions the government would take in such a case would tend toward the betterment of the whole, but we have seen countless examples of state extremism, and there is no reason to believe the U.S. gov. wouldn't act just as extemely in extreme circumstances.

An armed population is insurance against the necessity to suffer whatever the government chooses for its people. It might not be necessary today, but just take things a few steps further in the game, in those inchoate times when states rise and fall, and everyone is forced to play the hand they have.

When you take away a population's weapons, you are also essentially saying that their right to defend themselves has been delegated to state forces; they now rely on police forces (which do not treat people equally, and answer the calls they choose to, especially in places like Detroit where emergency calls are often dismissed)as their arm of protection; when you are attacked by force you can't overcome with your own person, you now must place a call and summon others to help, and hope they arrive on time; in another sense, you have lost your right to live as a free agent capable of making their own choices about their own wellbeing.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2013, 07:12:18 »

I completely get that. Absolutely.

Many european (democratic) countries including Australia and New Zealand don't allow their citizens to arm themselves... and the population doesn't live in fear of its government... even though the as-said government is armed to the teeth also.

Anyway... these are entirely different cultures and I suppose the tools fit the 'job' if you may.

I just worry that the US is heading for a potential civil war.. or rather the Republicans or very far right will mount an armed response leading to a nasty situation. Some of the Obama hate campaigning I have seen is disturbing.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 04:38:30 »


Is the constitution applicable to today? --Beedeekin

This is from a ruling from the Oregon supreme court. This answers your question for me in regards to the 2nd amnd. specifically. It was mad in 1980 but I believe it's statement is timeless.

    "We are not unmindful that there is current controversy over the wisdom of a right to bear arms, and that the original motivations for such provision might not seem compelling if debated as a new issue. Our task, however, in construing a constitutional provision, is to respect the principles given the status of constitutional guarantees and limitations by the drafters; it is not to abandon these principles when this fits the needs of the moment."

State v. Kessler, 289 Or. 359, 614 P.2d 94, 95.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 05:10:37 »

I think Stillwater hit the nail right on the head. Americans like to believe that history does not apply to us and that we don't have to worry about a tyrannical gov and that our stability is insured. Sadly, another history lesson is that once a government disarms a people, be it their own or another, their headstone has been chisled, waiting only for a date.

But  a tyranny is not the only threat. A major and deadly world-wide pandemic is a matter of when and not if. Also, what if the global economy does collapse? These scenarios may be extreme but it's certainly not a stretch to imagine the chaos that will follow. People will have to protect themselves from the anarchy that will surely rise. There will be no police to answer your emergency calls.

That's why I'm against even a restriction on the limit of rounds that a magazine or clip can hold. Sure, a six shooter might be enough against one or two but in times like I mentioned, gangs rule the day and they come packing. I'm not paranoid nor I do I live in any fear of these events happening. I just want to be prepared. It's just no longer possible to remove all our guns in America even if we, the good people, were for it. The cliche "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" is hard to argue against. Plus there is my favorite scenario that I couldn't imagine without guns: The Zombie Apocalypse. Just joking (no I'm not, yes I am).

So long as no large scale catastrophic disasters come into play, I think the US will be around for a long, long time. Hopefully Obama doesn't do anything rash to divide this country even further. I know it sounds absurd to the rest of the world but there is some truth to Beedeekin's concerns. If the US gov tries a wholesale gun grab, I can imagine a civil war being possible. One that will end with the 2nd amnd. permanently carved in stone so that it is never questioned again. I pray it is not our headstone.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 17:42:25 »

I honestly feel like politicians have been a main source of feeding propaganda to the people on gun control. It seems like they are going along with all of this gun control debate because it has at least temporarily taken the heat off other (may I be so bold), more important issues at hand. Just looking across the internet the gun issue has gotten more input from citizens then universal healthcare, or the government steeling oil from the middle east and killing anyone who gets in their way. Even more so, how are we going about protecting our children from being mass murdered by lunatics walking into their place of education? Gun control sure the hell is not going to solve any of these problems. It's time that the majority of these people freaking out about their guns being taken away open their eyes to bigger issues in our nation.

I do not have a gun, and have never owned one so of course I'm not really worried about mine being taken away. I'm more concerned the fact that I do not really get a say on any important matters that effect the lives of my family and I.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 18:09:04 »

I honestly feel like politicians have been a main source of feeding propaganda to the people on gun control. It seems like they are going along with all of this gun control debate because it has at least temporarily taken the heat off other (may I be so bold), more important issues at hand.

You know... This is actually quite probable. Western government seem to do this. The UK does this all the time. Something jumps out for them to latch onto and it takes peoples attention away to something that breeds popularity.

I also think that since the dreaded 9/11 the US suddenly realised that the rest of the world didn't love them as much as they previously thought... the US might now be pandering to the opinions of the rest of western society - that they have a gun problem... and addressing it. I know that there is so much more to the gun situation in the US and that it is part of the constitution... and that it is one of the things that defines America as America - to a certain portion of its citizens anyway. But this also attracts a sort of unwanted attention towards it being 'the gun capital of the world'.

The main problem isn't the guns though... nor the constitution... it's the idiots that have highlighted the fact that if you give everyone a gun, there will be those that use them to shoot as many people as they can before they shoot themselves. That's the cold hard truth. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. I would happily collect guns if I could. Not to defend myself... but because they are fun and beautifully engineered contraptions.

But then... if everyone had guns.. .then I would have guns to protect myself. Because not many people own guns in the UK.. I don't feel the need to own one. I'm basically not afraid of being shot in the UK.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 21:41:46 »

when the consitution was written ppl were firing muskets that took like 15 minutes to load and shot one round at a time, if the ppl who wrote the constitution saw the guns we have today they would probably shlt themselves.

with progress and technology guns are going to become more and more lethal and efficient.. no matter what, someone is going to have to draw the line sometime soon.

so if the ppl who embrace the 2nd amended want to hold strong to its orginal meaning i have no problem with them owng flimsy inaccurte 200 year old rifles.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 23:37:53 »

when the consitution was written ppl were firing muskets that took like 15 minutes to load and shot one round at a time, if the ppl who wrote the constitution saw the guns we have today they would probably shlt themselve.

I understand your concern. The US army had a video made to try and calm the fears of the soldiers who might encounter the german M42 machine gun. I believe it was nicknamed Hitler's buzzsaw and it's rate of fire was unmatched through out the entire war.

But if your really interested in what The Founding Father's thought about the evolution of warfare and weaponry, they wrote plenty on it. Remember they were aware of horse drawn cannons and such and knew that everything would be improved upon. So they knew it was coming but yes, they would probably excrement themselves.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 15:49:18 »

Greetings everyone
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Your response to Bedeekin's query of
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I find it ironic that the Founding Fathers wrote the second amendment as a safeguard against the transgressions of the British government. It was quite clear that they did Not trust any government to uphold individual rights. Indeed beware anyone who asks
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2013, 16:22:16 »

Beware anyone who asks Is the constitution applicable to today? as in... Me? You have got to be kidding if you do. Haha

It isn't applicable to me because I live in the UK.. but I don't want to watch America self destruct from the little tiny Island I live on... it would be such a shame.

I realise why the US is so or was so proud of their history and basically the way they colonised it is to be admired. The hard work and independence your forefathers displayed is a testament to how a country can be formed from untouched beautiful and quite formidable wilderness.

That was 2 hundred years ago though... and the world and the US is very very different now.

That's what I meant by is it still applicable. In the light of us trying to be more evolved... is it still applicable? In the light that the world and the US has its fair share of crazies... is it still applicable?

I suppose the need for arming oneself is applicable in the US because there is a greater chance of being attacked by someone with a gun.
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 04:05:00 »

Hello Bedeekin
Yes indeed. Beware Any person who would change, amend, or simply trash a 200 + year  working blueprint for a modern democracy for the popular political issue de jour.
And yes, it is distinctly more unsafe to live in the USA vs the UK regarding gun violence and gun crimes. Yet it has Always been that way. And the murder rate has dropped steadily during the last 20 years. But don't tell that to any Democratic politician because then you might be labeled insensitive or, worse, possibly even be considered a gun nut.
Now I do Not currently own a gun. BUT have been robbed at gun point. And have also suffered a home invasion (where nobody in the house was home at the time fortunately.) So I DO support the right of every US citizen to own a firearm for self defense.
America will not self destruct because of guns. There are bigger issues, mostly illegal drugs, foreign wars and the steadily erosion of the US constitution and Bill of Rights.

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2013, 05:40:52 »

America will not self destruct because of guns. There are bigger issues, mostly illegal drugs, foreign wars and the steadily erosion of the US constitution and Bill of Rights.

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I know it wont be because of guns.. It's more likely to come from the growing rift between the republicans and democrats... also the National Reserve is pretty messed up and countries want their money back. It's a cooking pot that I hope will sort itself out.

It never really got sorted out after the civil war.... it's like two enemies that are fighting in the playground and they've been split up and told to be friends. There is still an animosity felt and quite a rift between the two.

I think they should basically completely relax the war on drugs. It doesn't really work. Prohibition proved that. It would sort a lot of problems out. It would create a different problem, but it would cut down on the amount of money spent on prisons. The war on drugs will just keep going on forever. But... it's not going to happen because of the FDA and pharmaceutical corps. I am not a anti-illegal drug warrior by a long chalk. It just seems like a complete waste of resources.

Y'know... I am sort of playing devils advocate here with the gun thing. Like I said... when I went to the states I fully immersed myself in the gun culture of the South and met those that live the life. I fully agree with the fact that the tools befit the scenario.

I love America.. they pay my wages give me work and I will most probably end up living there. I have a vested interest. I have more interest in US politics than I do my own countries. The UK is basically ruled by a wet sock with a bit of pasta stuck to the sole of it.

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2013, 06:30:04 »

That was 2 hundred years ago though... and the world and the US is very very different now.

That's what I meant by is it still applicable. In the light of us trying to be more evolved... is it still applicable? In the light that the world and the US has its fair share of crazies... is it still applicable?

As for the first part, are you referring to the 2nd amnd specifically? I think the truth of the difference of America today, actually makes the need for good people to be armed greater. We are a violent society and a species in general. Homo Erectus Americanus

I believe it was Albert Einstein who said, "I do not know how the third world war will be fought but the fourth will be fought with sticks and stones." I take this to mean that we are so advanced in our method of killing each other that our determination will make us come close to it one day. And whoever is left will use what's available to finish the job.

The second part is a little harder for me to answer. I guess if I was truly honest with myself, I would hope that one change in me would be that guns are no longer relevant to my personal ideology. But the truth of that is, unless everybody else down to the last person feels the same way, I will need a gun to help insure that I can live with my new enlightened ideology. Man, what a mess we humans have made.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2013, 06:34:09 »

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I think to outsiders the difference between the two major parties is really overplayed; they are deadly similar when it comes to the issues that matter regarding actually running the a nation state, and that is also really dangerous, because it means the American people are left without choices for a lot of matters.

Each party is extremely soft on the business sector and corporations in general, and bows to the companies and banks that run the country and line pockets. Both parties are stooges for the powerful lobbyists that pay their campaigns. Both parties are fairly agressive jingoists, despite democrats claiming to be peace loving. Both parties support the Federal reserve in every way. Both parties support the drug war. Both parties have been a part of launching pre-emptive wars overseas. Both parties are eroding essential rights granted to the U.S. people by the constitution.

I really don't see a civil war coming of disagreements between the parties... they are really not as divisive as people think. Civil war may come to the U.S. sometime in the next 20 years, but it will be on other grounds, and under very different times and auspices. The state of the world under which the U.S. has its second civil war is very different than today's climate...

I agree with you guys very much on the Fed... it is a dirty institution indeed, but then so are the national banks of Europe as well (not that it excues the Fed, but just know the filth is many places).
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2013, 06:37:34 »

I believe it was Albert Einstein who said, "I do not know how the third world war will be fought but the fourth will be fought with sticks and stones." I take this to mean that we are so advanced in our method of killing each other that our determination will make us come close to it one day. And whoever is left will use what's available to finish the job.

It's a very apt statement... It was his response to the 'new' hydrogen bomb... but is still applicable today.

Man, what a mess we humans have made.

Yes... but it's a perfect scenario for learned growth and consciousness evolution. We can only get ourselves out of it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2013, 15:08:41 »

I'm going to be frank, I am terrified of guns. Do I want the USA to ban them? Maybe from a personal stand point, but from a realistic one, no. Do I think highly efficient killing machines with enough power to take down a full grown elephant should be purchasable online without any sort of identification? No. There is a big difference, and I think a lot of people are interpreting that a gun reform means that even if you have training, a license, and responsibility, the big bad government is going to take your boom boom stick away.

I can understand defending your rights and such... But some of the arguments out there are making me sick. Facebook in particular. Some are just too extreme.

Once I had a gun pulled on me. I came home to my own house, I heard my side door open, and I got scared. I saw a gun point at me from behind the door. It was my neighbor thinking someone had broken in. And HE told ME "Don't scare me like that!"

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2013, 16:51:37 »

Hello ChopstickFox
Yes, you are right to be
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And in the hands of ruthless criminals even police in body armor are highly vulnerable.
Yet my BIG problem with the proponents of new strict gun laws is this: Most criminals who use guns for criminal purposes (gang members, drug dealers, etc) get their guns illegally. These new stricter gun laws are going to have little or No effect on such people. A latino MS gang member or Hell's Angel biker or Zetas drug cartel boss here in the USA will continue to carry (and perhaps use) a firearm illegally no matter What new law(s) are passed.
BTW I also believe that nearly All the perpetrators of the mass shootings (including the man that committed the recent Connecticut school massacre) either already did or would have found a way to get his guns and ammo illegally if necessary. In other words the mass shooters may have obtained their guns and ammo legally yet, had it been necessary, nearly all of them would have obtained their guns and ammo illegally no matter what guns laws were enacted.

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2013, 17:18:25 »

Y'know Grey... that's absolutely correct. They would have found a way to acquire the guns whether they are legal or not. We still have shootings even though they are very illegal.

If someone had a concealed gun + permit + training at the Batman cinema shooting I would think that guy would have been stopped. If one of the teachers had a gun in Connecticut... the shooter may have been stopped sooner.
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2013, 18:11:30 »

It's an endless cycle, isn't it @_@ The bad guys will always get them no matter what the laws says. Bleh, why I don't like thinking about this stuff much.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2013, 18:35:26 »

Its like Illegal drugs.. It's Illegal but It doesn't mean that people can't acquire it  grin
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