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« on: March 24, 2013, 18:49:06 »

I've been following the path of psi based consciousness research recently concerning mainstream science. It seems to be coming to the forefront as the Religion vs Atheism argument has simmered away and evolved.
Recently two TED talks were removed from their website because of the mainstream materialist views at TED being challenged on an intellectual level. One by Graham Hancock and another by Rupert Sheldrake.

I think everyone here will find both talks pretty cool and the following article.

Here are the two videos that were removed from the site... I suggest you watch them... they are both astounding.

Graham Hancock: The War on Consciousness - (Removed TED Talk)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b6-0yW7Iaw

Rupert Shelldrake: Rupert Sheldrake - The Science Delusion BANNED TED TALK... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg

Here's an article about the TED banning.

http://weilerpsiblog.wordpress.com/2013 ... ntroversy/
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2013, 06:26:27 »

 Thank You for sharing this Bedeekin!  smiley

 I wish he would have said more about the Dogmas of the mind and Consciousness.

 His speech peaked my curiosity and I found this video, where he has more time to speak on the other Dogmas that are plaguing Scientists today.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waMBY3qEA4


 I liked Craig's analogy in the comments where he said:
 "My sense of this struggle is that it will be like a river quickly building up behind a shaky dam. Downstream you will see almost no evidence of the building pressure until finally, one day, the dam breaks. Suddenly it’s everywhere."
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2013, 08:52:17 »

This type of crap is really starting to tick me off. This makes mainstream science look pathetic. This is becoming much more important to me than before. I am starting to get a few personal experiences and would love to see all this taken more serious.

What is the real harm in admitting that something is really going on?

The fact is, we cannot allow children to be taught materialistic science.  It will wreck their ability to deal with the rapid changes that are coming and put them behind their properly educated peers.  Consciousness science is best learned from early on, where children can accept the new ideas without having to push out the old ones.--from the article Beedeekin linked.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2013, 08:56:53 »

What is the real harm in admitting that something is really going on?
Because it would show people that they are "free" no matter where they are or what their circumstances are.

 It couldn't be governed!  wink
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2013, 08:59:11 »

Because it would show people that they are "free" no matter where they are or what their circumstances are.

 It couldn't be governed!  wink

Yeah, you're right.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 10:04:46 »

Soon.. there will be a consciousness revolution... within the next 10 years I propose.

The thing is mainstream materialist science is becoming fundamentalist and as preachy as the religions it abhors. This screams as the last flailing moments before it gives in.

The fundamental materialists and religion has been at each others throats for so long that the middle ground idea that we are part of... consciousness exploration... has snook up behind them and is tapping them both on the back and saying...

"hey Black and White... everything's really just a shade of grey... chill"
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 10:40:55 »

 IAB, here is your answer.

 This is a video that Bedeekin posted recently on another great Forum, that many of us have become familiar with lately.

 Your answer is at about the 34:00 minute mark.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l6VPpDublg&feature=player_embedded#!

 The entire video is excellent as well.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 11:38:13 »

ohh those materialistic scientists. they shouldnt explore the universe and reality while their ego is following them like a shadow and hiding the truth with a cloak of skepticism by telling that this and this sounds like nonsense.

By the way this reminds me this quote: “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” - Nikola Tesla  
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2013, 17:15:09 »

ohh those materialistic scientists. they shouldn't explore the universe and reality while their ego is following them like a shadow and hiding the truth with a cloak of skepticism by telling that this and this sounds like nonsense.


I think that this goes for all forms of exploration.

In the second vid, there is mention of the wise race of Egypt and were supposedly clued up on 'the after life' but this same race does not have the best of reputations in regard to how they used other races and even how they used the less well off of their own 'kind'.

There is mention of 'hell' in the second vid as well - a kind of 'wake up kicking' Rupert Shelldrake speaks about. 

I think something like this is going on:

The Astral Plain is not as it might appear.  Its properties are such that human imagination make real of the things imagined and thus those things imagined came after human beings, rather than before.

If so, then this explains the existence of heavens and hells and angels and demons and unicorns and Easter bunnies and every other thing which human beings have created in their imaginations.

Ironically, humans are not aware that they do this – that they are able to do such a thing.
This gives the usurper the advantage because it was created by humans and resides in an aspect/zone of Astral as real as the Astral properties make it.

So the creators (humans) have created these gods etc...and assigned these ones all manner of power, including the title of ‘creators of human beings’ so there you go...The creators created something and then unwittingly gave that something the title of creator of human beings.

Would such a thing want to relinquish its title and assumed powers granted by its human creators?  Would want to enlighten its creators to the truth?

Even if it wanted to that it could easily do this?

What if humans no longer believed in it?  Would it begin to cease to be - to become erased?

Aye – there are zones in the Astral which are fading, falling apart – all due to lack of focus or belief - human focus and belief.

Yet these creations need not be erased.  They need to be seen for what they are, not for what they are not.




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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2013, 17:56:23 »

Now that I think of it, I'm not sure I like the idea of being tapped into every one's mind. I was more or less concerned with the harm of mainstream science acknowledging the existence of telepathy, remote viewing, and other phenomenon. But you can't just open that can of worms and expect the other stuff to remain hidden so I see why the powers that be would prefer it all remain one big joke.

William- I'm not sure what you mean by some parts of the "astral" may cease to exist, unless you're referring to belief territories that are sustained through beliefs that are themselves ceasing to exist. I'm of the belief that it only takes one consciousness to believe in something to make that a reality for themselves. You absolutely nailed it concerning why negative entity concepts as well as other stuff continue on because people create them through their beliefs and can thus "see" them in the "astral".

I know we say all the time that we can create or manifest whatever we want through out thoughts but in my experience, it takes intent. In other words, I never saw demons in my early years of exploration even though I believed in them at the time because I never wanted to see them. So I certainly never tried to manifest one.

You really do need to consciously make an effort to have an OOBE with awareness and explore for yourself. I may be mistaken but it appears as if you are very suspicious of the "astral". There is no doubt that there are some entities that do choose to deceive those that they can but that doesn't mean anything in and of itself. That's life, or more appropriately, that's lesser evolved consciousness.

Regardless of what came first or the intent behind the "astral", there is very little evidence, if any, that suggests we can avoid it or do much about it once we lose our physical bodies. We are all glad to answer questions and debate what we have seen and learned but the best remedy to any problem is to go and see for yourself. I think you are slowly accepting this but for whatever reason, you are still hesitant.

Whatever you have learned through Ouija may be good data but you are at a disadvantage by not seeing who you are communicating with. I know it's possible and attempted quite frequently by some to change their appearance in the "astral" but if you personally have good intent, you will be aware or at least, feel that something is amiss. And the more experienced you are, the harder it is to be fooled.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2013, 19:01:48 »

While Michael persinger is actually coming a few steps on from his original completely materialist views... he is still stuck in little picture science. Hopefully he will see the error of his ways.


What if humans no longer believed in it?  Would it begin to cease to be - to become erased?

Aye – there are zones in the Astral which are fading, falling apart – all due to lack of focus or belief - human focus and belief.

Yet these creations need not be erased.  They need to be seen for what they are, not for what they are not.

Like an ageing film-set that's grown over with weeds and falling apart exposing the carpentry behind the plaster clad brick walls.

'Dream Middlesbrough' is a great evidence of this... only to my own experiments and investigation.

It appears that there be a shared and constructed version of our earth. It's much smaller than this one.. locationally countries are much tightly packed and towns/cities are separated by almost no distance... depending on how 'lived in' or 'travelled' the road to each is.

In Bray we have a church that when you enter... can be seen the moment you drive or walk into it... if you come from the south going north.





This has been visible and a landmark to visitors since 1300s.

When I am in the nonphysical version of Bray it is there... like in the photograph... perfectly reproduced, including the flag.

However, when I go to the actual church, the bell tower is almost non-existent and looks very abstract... only being a quarter of the height and the church itself is smaller and resembles what it used to looked like probably when it was first built.

It's interesting that a quarter way up the bell tower is where the bell ringers ring the bells. The tower itself is a collective construct made up of people looking up into the bell tower (the bell ringers) and the people who have lived and travelled through Bray... reinforcing the tower at a distance but breaking down as an abstract view because it's not that visible when you get close... the only view it is visible in is the main door when looking up. Even then it looks massive.

This is evidence to me that the local nonphysical is a construct of our shared view of the world.
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2013, 21:52:17 »

Now that I think of it, I'm not sure I like the idea of being tapped into every one's mind. I was more or less concerned with the harm of mainstream science acknowledging the existence of telepathy, remote viewing, and other phenomenon. But you can't just open that can of worms and expect the other stuff to remain hidden so I see why the powers that be would prefer it all remain one big joke.

William- I'm not sure what you mean by some parts of the "astral" may cease to exist, unless you're referring to belief territories that are sustained through beliefs that are themselves ceasing to exist. I'm of the belief that it only takes one consciousness to believe in something to make that a reality for themselves. You absolutely nailed it concerning why negative entity concepts as well as other stuff continue on because people create them through their beliefs and can thus "see" them in the "astral".

I know we say all the time that we can create or manifest whatever we want through out thoughts but in my experience, it takes intent. In other words, I never saw demons in my early years of exploration even though I believed in them at the time because I never wanted to see them. So I certainly never tried to manifest one.

You really do need to consciously make an effort to have an OOBE with awareness and explore for yourself. I may be mistaken but it appears as if you are very suspicious of the "astral". There is no doubt that there are some entities that do choose to deceive those that they can but that doesn't mean anything in and of itself. That's life, or more appropriately, that's lesser evolved consciousness.

Regardless of what came first or the intent behind the "astral", there is very little evidence, if any, that suggests we can avoid it or do much about it once we lose our physical bodies. We are all glad to answer questions and debate what we have seen and learned but the best remedy to any problem is to go and see for yourself. I think you are slowly accepting this but for whatever reason, you are still hesitant.

Whatever you have learned through Ouija may be good data but you are at a disadvantage by not seeing who you are communicating with. I know it's possible and attempted quite frequently by some to change their appearance in the "astral" but if you personally have good intent, you will be aware or at least, feel that something is amiss. And the more experienced you are, the harder it is to be fooled.

As I have shared in other posts Simon – I am in no particular hurry to investigate the Astral – the main reason would be that it would likely provide only subjective evidence and also the experience might be completely different once the actual physical body is removed from the equation.

Sometimes collecting evidence is best done without added distractions, and the evidence so far collected supports the secular scientific stance that there is little point in investigating the “astral” because those who make claims of consistently experiencing this are themselves (by and large) supporting the concept that it is a subjective self created thing which goes a long way to supporting the theory that it is ‘all in the individuals mind’ and while Rupert Shelldrake suggests that the ‘mind’ is more a shared thing – that it does not reside in a persons head, this is not so apparently understood by those who are accomplished travellers – their experiences are still largely seen to be something they themselves and no one else shares or has access to, and even the ‘astral pulse island’ conceptual experiment has produce no conclusive evidence to the contrary.

In relation to Ouija, I can underline the fact that using such device of such dubious reputation shows in itself that I am not afraid to investigate and am careful in examining the data presented.
Certainly face to face might seem the ultimate way to converse.  Often it is simply not an option ... take the internet for example – and this way we are ourselves communicating – how do we ‘know’ the other personality (ies) are actually even being truthful?  The answer is to examine the expression – and if necessary get them to come out from behind their avatar –

How can this be achieved through Ouija?  Most of the information I am relaying comes from that data access – not to say that I did not suspect through my data gathering processes years before I finally used Ouija but yes, the confirmation was given that I was definitely on the right track about those suspicions when I questioned the various ‘personalities’ I engaged with therein and ultimately through the process I was informed that I was really communing with aspects of the same thing (that ‘mind/consciousness) which altogether equalled “Me” – I was told this and it took a long time after this for the data to ‘register’ in my understanding.

...Which is mostly the case...  I collect data in its raw state and process it as more data comes along which allows for that processing.  This is what forms the picture that is otherwise unseen.

Some of the earlier communions through Ouija quite often had to do with the expression ‘Try to remember William’ – something I often replied with ‘Remember what?’...no answer to that question was forth-coming and I can understand far better now why that was so.

I have remembered on my own volition and the data I have been collecting is what has enable me to remember..

Inevitably and why I can understand that these vids were removed from TED – is that they criticise secular science with nothing more than subjective claims and quite rightly deserve to be treated so on account of this.
The nature of the subjective is that is has no room for the collective...even the collective mind/consciousness, and regardless of personal bias for or against science, it simply would not exist as the tool creating entity that it is if not for the fact that the tools were created through objective minds working together, as my thread here speaks about:

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I am not disadvantage at all in not communing face to face because it is about what is being communicated to me (expressed) and in this, even face to face in this universe, if the data being communicated is corrupted or otherwise suspect, I know this due to other data I have verified as true.  My usual response is to share that data with the other and depending on their expression returned regarding the data I share, allows me to ascertain their most likely motive regarding me and why they want me to believe in their data.

Standard stuff.

On your wanting clarification – I am likely speaking about ancient belief systems which have long since faded in the collective mind of human beings...the result is that these fade away because they require collective human belief in order to make them ‘real’ – and the Astral properties are what give ‘life’ to belief, subjective personal or collective.

Beliefs though, are in themselves not REAL, simply because they are believed.  Even that the creative instant manifestation properties can make them ‘real’ to the perceiver does not in itself mean they are actually real.

Simply put – there are religious pastors and such who claim to have witnessed first hand the existence of ‘hell’ and thus that data confirms the truth of their beliefs in their religion and their gods etc...

It is not evidence of the truth of their beliefs at all – but is perceived to be.
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2013, 22:19:55 »

While Michael persinger is actually coming a few steps on from his original completely materialist views... he is still stuck in little picture science. Hopefully he will see the error of his ways.

Like an ageing film-set that's grown over with weeds and falling apart exposing the carpentry behind the plaster clad brick walls.

'Dream Middlesbrough' is a great evidence of this... only to my own experiments and investigation.

It appears that there be a shared and constructed version of our earth. It's much smaller than this one.. locationally countries are much tightly packed and towns/cities are separated by almost no distance... depending on how 'lived in' or 'travelled' the road to each is.

In Bray we have a church that when you enter... can be seen the moment you drive or walk into it... if you come from the south going north.


This has been visible and a landmark to visitors since 1300s.

When I am in the nonphysical version of Bray it is there... like in the photograph... perfectly reproduced, including the flag.

However, when I go to the actual church, the bell tower is almost non-existent and looks very abstract... only being a quarter of the height and the church itself is smaller and resembles what it used to looked like probably when it was first built.

It's interesting that a quarter way up the bell tower is where the bell ringers ring the bells. The tower itself is a collective construct made up of people looking up into the bell tower (the bell ringers) and the people who have lived and travelled through Bray... reinforcing the tower at a distance but breaking down as an abstract view because it's not that visible when you get close... the only view it is visible in is the main door when looking up. Even then it looks massive.

This is evidence to me that the local nonphysical is a construct of our shared view of the world.

Our shared view of the world is not ‘on the same page’ which explains why there are pieces missing in the ‘local nonphysical’ which are not missing in the real physical.

It goes a very long way in explaining why the non-physical – or that aspect of it which creates from human belief systems, is not actually real.
This is not to say that overall IT is not real, but that the aspect of it most experienced by travellers is not real.

My data suggests that it is this vast aspect which acts as a shield or curtain or wall or thing which obscures and hides the actual REAL and does so purposefully...or an aspect of it consciously works to keep the REAL hidden behind the façade.

My data also verifies that steps are being taken from both the physical and the non physical to remove this veil...for the sake of all.
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2013, 00:19:14 »

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Inevitably and why I can understand that these vids were removed from TED – is that they criticise secular science with nothing more than subjective claims and quite rightly deserve to be treated so on account of this.

I may be wrong but my understanding of these particular talks in question were not to bring forth and debate any particular evidence but were rather intended to encourage the direction of focus. Under this pretense, I consider it appalling for the scientific community to outright dismiss their ideas.

Regardless, there have been many studies done by reputable labs across the world that have studied certain aspects of the  "supernatural" sciences and have independently confirmed or verified that something is indeed happening that is out of the realm of our (we the peons) current understanding. If this were the case concerning any other science, there would be a frenzy generated to understand more. Call me naive or foolish but I'm past the point of thinking they are just skeptics and I wholeheartedly believe that much of this is known as fact to the "powers that be" and there is a massive campaign intended to discredit any scientist that takes this stuff seriously.
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2013, 00:44:36 »

Our shared view of the world is not ‘on the same page’ which explains why there are pieces missing in the ‘local nonphysical’ which are not missing in the real physical.

Exactly.

My data suggests that it is this vast aspect which acts as a shield or curtain or wall or thing which obscures and hides the actual REAL and does so purposefully...or an aspect of it consciously works to keep the REAL hidden behind the façade.

My data also verifies that steps are being taken from both the physical and the non physical to remove this veil...for the sake of all.

I quite like the veil.. it has my dog Bobby and my dad here... and Bray and flowers... and my Kathryn. I love the veil... the veil has been great to me... has it not been great to you? Do you want the veil lifting?

what good would it do to have this veil removed?
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2013, 01:24:44 »

I may be wrong but my understanding of these particular talks in question were not to bring forth and debate any particular evidence but were rather intended to encourage the direction of focus. Under this pretense, I consider it appalling for the scientific community to outright dismiss their ideas.

Regardless, there have been many studies done by reputable labs across the world that have studied certain aspects of the  "supernatural" sciences and have independently confirmed or verified that something is indeed happening that is out of the realm of our (we the peons) current understanding. If this were the case concerning any other science, there would be a frenzy generated to understand more. Call me naive or foolish but I'm past the point of thinking they are just skeptics and I wholeheartedly believe that much of this is known as fact to the "powers that be" and there is a massive campaign intended to discredit any scientist that takes this stuff seriously.



Are you suggesting conspiracy Simon?

I don’t think the scientific community outright dismiss such ideas.  The type of science to which is being criticised is what I call your average garden variety type which is concerned with and financed by various administrations and involves governance and directives aimed at social order and control.

Such things as ‘supernatural’ do not warrant investigation and such investigation would not be authorised by either investors or taxpayers.

That ‘something indeed is happening’ is irrelevant to the average human being focused upon their part in the social structures who have or don’t have particular beliefs and are involved in achieving what they can with what is available for themselves and families etc.

Others dabble – either with religious inflection or through less mainstream recognised manner.

No one categorically knows for sure what this ‘supernatural’ stuff really is about, and the evidence suggests that having such beliefs are detrimental to general wellbeing and social peace...religion is historically guilty of some heinous stuff but in general the world is turning away from the superstitious and focusing upon the more hard-copy evidence which is abundant in this physical universe.

It is understandable enough – even given that there are no doubt many sincere individuals involved in exploration of the mind...and are not a disturbance on the society they live in.

Even on this board I have seen it expressed that this physical universe is of no particular interest to ‘the supernatural’ and is seen as some kind of ...well not nice thing, especially in regard to human beings and what human beings do.

This attitude seems to permeate through religion and culture to some degree...we are often lead to believe that in general we are worthless and nothing much and treated as such.  This is from those who believe in ‘supernatural’ as much as from those who don’t.

‘The Powers That Be’ would know this, and how it affects individuals – even on a mass scale, so why would they promote investigation into something that seems to resist investigation anyway, and in general produces negativity through the believers against them ?

Ultimately it may just get down to the individual but in the mean time I am within a universe which offers not only a subjective reality but also an objective one and the objective one seems stable and less bendable to subjective will, and thus a good place to develop team work and this particular science seems to have the edge over...supernatural, religion, belief, etc...because it works toward a collective agenda which circumnavigates the human drama of which much of what humans believe are contributing factors to that drama...general science is used to capitalise on the human drama for profit, which might be what you are seeing and responding to.

Even so, what is it you have discovered in your supernatural travels which would help change the way life is lived on this planet in relation to the masses?

This stable universe also means that it is easier to map the progress of Consciousness which is involved within this universe and see where it is heading, despite that human drama.


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I quite like the veil.. it has my dog Bobby and my dad here... and Bray and flowers... and my Kathryn. I love the veil... the veil has been great to me... has it not been great to you? Do you want the veil lifting?

what good would it do to have this veil removed?

You like something which hides the truth?
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2013, 01:38:49 »


Even so, what is it you have discovered in your supernatural travels which would help change the way life is lived on this planet in relation to the masses?

Once again Wi11iam states how he does not wish to access the NPR himself because "it would likely provide only subjective evidence and also the experience might be completely different once the actual physical body is removed from the equation".

 But, he still does wishes to live it through those of us that do.

 Why do you fear it Wi11iam? What's the real reason?

 I have a very strong feeling that you are the one hiding the truth!  wink

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2013, 01:39:45 »

You like something which hides the truth?

I just love my life... I can't help that. I love my family and those around me and I prefer it just the way it is. I like dealing with pressures and the bad things... the challenges and the pitfalls. That's me though... that's my truth.

Hopefully this will be a selective unveiling... and if so.. I hope it is all you want it to be.
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2013, 02:11:51 »

Just because I try to understand the different perspectives of groups who agree with their objective realities does not mean that I agree with what they do or why they are doing it.

Flinging veils aside is the object of true scientific discovery and we would do well to appreciate our part in this investigation of both physical and non physical realities.

The one thing which stood out for me in the vid is the story of “The Earth Mother” whom I immediately recognised as a primary personality with whom I communed a great deal with *over the Ouija.

(*like over the telephone)

She is a wonderful informative adaptable individual who just happens to have access to all the records specific to Earth, and that is a lot of data.

Most of what She spoke with me about went over my head at the time but is more relevant now due to my own progression.

That which didn’t go over my head, surely has been helpful.  I am in awe still, but more focused and it is fortunate that I was already over worshipping anyone/thing or I would surely have fallen head over heels.

I find myself in a difficult position in having the opportunity afforded to me by human science to pass the data on in an understandable and reasonable way – a task more doomed to fail than not, but one I would be remiss not to at least give a perpetual try at.

I am learning and adapting daily.  I have discovered a fondness for many of those whom I have met through this invisible connection that we know involves wires and electricity and programs of codes and interaction and the veil of being able to remain anonymous.

Central to this is my knowing that the core of each of us resides the Source and the Codes of recognition which we can remember – if we so choose to do so.

The fact that TED has censored is a veil correct?
It is not the only veil nor is science the only sector doing the veiling.

Eventually I knew Her as “QueenBee”... (/ʘ\)
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2013, 02:57:26 »

I just love my life... I can't help that. I love my family and those around me and I prefer it just the way it is. I like dealing with pressures and the bad things... the challenges and the pitfalls. That's me though... that's my truth.

Hopefully this will be a selective unveiling... and if so.. I hope it is all you want it to be.

Scientifically speaking, even that you prefer the way your life is, this is going to change and the change will be unavoidable.

This simply has to do with the nature of physical reality and we are all involved, no matter what we might prefer or believe.

This of course does not and never has suggested that you need to stop loving your life, family and those around you.  Indeed, it will advantage all concerned, and more so that the love is returned.

I do not see though, where hiding behind a veil, or selective unveiling bears relevance as possible concern you might lose these ‘things’ should said veil be lifted..
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2013, 03:05:47 »

Once again Wi11iam states how he does not wish to access the NPR himself because "it would likely provide only subjective evidence and also the experience might be completely different once the actual physical body is removed from the equation".

 But, he still does wishes to live it through those of us that do.

 Why do you fear it Wi11iam? What's the real reason?

 I have a very strong feeling that you are the one hiding the truth!  wink



My reasons stated are reasonable and purposeful – I can wait, knowing that eventually this unavoidable certainty will eventuate and while I am waiting I can continue processing the data.  I am not concerned with death or what waits after-'life'.  I remain totally open to the possibilities.

I do not ‘live through’ anyone of you.  I accept the data of experience you might share and use it to see the bigger picture – certainly not your data alone, nor the data of only ‘travellers’ of the NPR

I have no answer to your question because it is assumption on your part that I fear and have an alternate reason I am veiling from anyone.  I am not hiding anything – indeed I am trying to uncover the hidden.

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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2013, 03:15:17 »

I am not suggesting that there is a conspiracy. I am simply acknowledging one that is in the open.

Secrecy is not required for a conspiracy. All you need is two or more people to come together and combine their efforts to achieve a goal.

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That ‘something indeed is happening’ is irrelevant to the average human being focused upon their part in the social structures who have or don’t have particular beliefs and are involved in achieving what they can with what is available for themselves and families etc.

The mass see no relevance in this because they have been told that it is all nonsense. If they knew what was truly possible, relevant wouldn't come close to describing the usefulness of these discredited sciences to the average Joe. Just imagine how much relevance the money saved from medical bills would be to people and their families if they knew that psychic healing was a true reality. That's one example.

It seems obvious to me now that "the powers that be" would rather not have any of this stuff be accredited.
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2013, 03:18:47 »

I am not suggesting that there is a conspiracy. I am simply acknowledging one that is in the open.

Secrecy is not required for a conspiracy. All you need is two or more people to come together and combine their efforts to achieve a goal.

The mass see no relevance in this because they have been told that it is all nonsense. If they knew what was truly possible, relevant wouldn't come close to describing the usefulness of these discredited sciences to the average Joe. Just imagine how much relevance the money saved from medical bills would be to people and their families if they knew that psychic healing was a true reality. That's one example.

It seems obvious to me now that "the powers that be" would rather not have any of this stuff be accredited.

Okay - so who or what are these 'powers that be'?  Those who censor and veil?
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2013, 03:27:09 »

Okay - so who or what are these 'powers that be'?  Those who censor and veil?

I am speaking of world governments, the wealthy elite, and major corporations to name a few. I am only referring to the "powers that be" in this PMR.
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