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Author Topic: Use of Sacred Symbolism in the Media  (Read 2454 times)
melody
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« on: September 18, 2007, 19:29:04 »


Use of Sacred Symbolism
Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8875751284579583762
Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4306735945697288438
Part 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2233997338138922977
Part 4
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2392398489053775506
Part 5
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8629717732608750704
Part 6
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=219076393586369255

A quote is given in Part 2, but it is hard to see who said it. Here it is:

"I think we are destroying the minds of America and that has been one of my lifelong ambitions." - John Kricfalusi, creator of the Ren and Stimpy Show.

Here is a discourse on the show taken from this website
http://www.freedomdomain.com/mindcontrolprop/mediavirus.html

"In all fairness, though, "Ren & Stimpy" draws more attention than, say,
MTV's "Liquid Television" cartoons because it is more ostensibly directed
at children.  The dissociated style and meme-rich content of a TV show is
no crime in itself.  Foisting these ideologies on growing minds is
considered a far greater cultural crime.  Kricfalusi himself admitted in an
early _Spin_ magazine interview, "I think we are destroying the minds of
America, and that's been one of my lifelong ambitions."
    Kricfalusi's formula for accomplishing this is based in postmodernism
and chaos.  More than challenging specific moral constructs, his cartoons
eat away at the current model of reality, replacing the notions of
linearity and continuity with a discontinuous, almost existential collage
of pictures and ideas.  "Ren & Stimpy" is a postpsychedelic cartoon.  Its
characters and plots do not follow the normal order set out by dramatic
convention.  In one episode they may reside in a trailer, and in the next
they live in a house.  Sometimes it is Ren who has a job, other times it's
Stimpy.  Sometimes they are astronauts, and sometimes they even die, then
reanimate for the next show.
    This sense of discontinuity is amplified by the style of the show,
which uses a disconnected sort of animation in which psychedelic and quick-
changing images move in front of 1950s-style backgrounds of stars and paint
splatters.  The sound track of the show uses quick samples of classical
music or sound effects over a satirically monotonous wash of 1950s Muzaky
background tracks, reminiscent of old public school instructional films or
"Leave It to Beaver" television-era vacuum cleaner advertisements.  The
juxtaposition of old seamless imagery with the popping veins and sudden
mood shifts of the characters only makes this discontinuity more
pronounced.  In one episode, clearly meant to evoke the feeling of a
sixties LSD-flashback movie, the boys, distanced as astronauts on a show
within the show, get stuck on a planet where they physically mutate dozens
of times and lose their language skills and many parts of their bodies.
With no rational way out, they just embrace each other for the last time,
push a button, and disappear."

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2007, 17:10:26 »

I think this is an example of where conspiracy theorists take a quote out of context to try to prove their point. Kricfalusi's comment was obviously sarcastic, as he's a sarcastic guy. Alex Jones does it all the time, but his listeners don't seem to catch on. He takes a news story, finds a quote that doesn't have much to do with the story, but is worded to help him make a point. He uses suggestion just as much as the regular media. (I like him though).

But to claim that "Ren & Stimpy" are a cause of moral downfall...

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The dissociated style and meme-rich content of a TV show is
no crime in itself.  Foisting these ideologies on growing minds is
considered a far greater cultural crime.
Ideologies?...
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"Ren & Stimpy" is a postpsychedelic cartoon.  Its
characters and plots do not follow the normal order set out by dramatic
convention.  In one episode they may reside in a trailer, and in the next
they live in a house.  Sometimes it is Ren who has a job, other times it's
Stimpy.  Sometimes they are astronauts, and sometimes they even die, then
reanimate for the next show.

So it doesn't follow "the normal order set out by dramatic convention" - is it just me, or does that sound communist. "All shows must follow the normal order set out by dramatic convention, or will be deemed..."

Creative, maybe.

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In one episode, clearly meant to evoke the feeling of a
sixties LSD-flashback movie, the boys, distanced as astronauts on a show
within the show, get stuck on a planet where they physically mutate dozens
of times and lose their language skills and many parts of their bodies.
With no rational way out, they just embrace each other for the last time,
push a button, and disappear.

That episode is AWESOME!!! one of the best. Highly creative.

Ren & Stimpy hasn't been on for about 10 years or more, and to this day are considered a pivotal point in TV animation. I don't think anyone is still complaining about them. Or ever was, other than this article written in '94.

No, I didn't watch all those videos, but yes, I know a lot about conspiracy theories, symbolism in media, etc...  I just think much of it is taken way out of context. There is a market for conspiracy theories, especially in the internet age, and people are cashing in. Not that there aren't any facts in any of it, but their are people taking advantage of the more gullible people.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2007, 23:28:49 »

i both agree and disgaree...

Ren & Stimpy was a bonking awesome show but at the same time there are a excrement LOAD of subliminals in tv programs and IMHO I dont watch TV anymore (barely) because I believe over half the programs on tv are purely just to keep our minds in the dark. Instead of mindlessly watching tv I usually read and learn things.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2007, 17:03:52 »

I agree. I don't watch TV myself for the same reason - subliminal suggestion, both in shows & ads to influence a purchase, and in other forms to bend political views. The internet and books are the same, but with those you have a greater choice as what to view. With the TV, it's whatever is on.

We may be subliminally influenced from all directions during the day, but at least we have the choice to ignore most of it. It's not forced on us. It's hard for me to blame TV for moral degradation - everyone has had the freedom to ignore it, and the only reason the media is filled with junk is because people keep buying it. It's not TV & the media to blame, it's the people who keep buying it, and it's not up to me to interrupt their irresponsible choices. All I can do is be an example.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2007, 23:53:50 »

Yes, all very good and relevant points. I do believe though that the content on TV could be FAR better. Its pretty much just all total crap... Then the next day at work or school people are talking about fictional characters lives as if they are factual stories it kinda sickens me sometimes.
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