Alcohol and OBE Induction

[psychosoma]

Psychosoma,

Make a long story short - I was a social drinker for about 10 years. Roughly, two years ago
I completely stopp'd drinking to lose weight, health, and primarly to feel better about myself.

Within 3-4months later, my energy, interest with projecting starting to flourish. Now, I am able to
project 2-3 a week w/o fail and I thank God for showing me the difference between the two. Now, if
I could stop drinking Starbucks frapacino's..

I did have a difficult time of projecting while drinking socially. The energy just wasn't there period and drive. You can still project if you drink, smoke pot, take lsd etc.. but it does more harm than good.

The greater reward is being clear, conscious and projecting w/o being hindered by drugs!


Tvos


Well, that's probably what I needed to hear.  You drank "socially" for 10 years, and while that is quite a stretch, I've got 20 more years on you, many of them more than "social".  So it's a bit of a nut to crack.  I still enjoy drinking although I think I'm really beginning to feel some wear and tear on my body.  I don't dare drink the way I used to, as I will surely pay the consequences in the short term and, no doubt, in the long.  But I fear that I'll quit drinking, and it won't affect my ability (or rather "inability") to project.  There have been shorter periods in the past when I've quit completely (although not for months) but was still unable to project.  You did mention that it took 3-4 months before your interest and ability got going.  So, maybe I'll just have to bite the bullet and give it a try.  Maybe quit for 6 months and see what happens with my projection efforts. 


Now, I am able to project 2-3 a week w/o fail

Wow, I can only dream.  I'd love to be able to sit and talk with you about what you've learned in those many excursions.  I don't know why it eludes me, when I've wanted to project for so many years (decades) and have made attempts numbering in the thousands.  Could it just be the booze?  Maybe...

Psychosoma

[tvos]

Psychosoma,

Have you visited my web site www.invisiblelight.us ? If not, all my data, stats, video, journals, radio interviews are available for download (free).

Pay attention closely to the spreadsheet that I created. Reason why I say this, it is my daily log and keeps me grounded, focused on projecting among my web site and helping others. There is a lot more to projecting then "just leaving the body" and I am talking about spirituality, helping others, faith, love, etc.. and booze doesn't yield results, especially what I have been blessed with and experienced!

Feel free to contact me!

Tvos

[sterlingindigo]

Perhaps one is able to successfully OBE, drive a car, relate with others, etc. while ingesting alcohol, drugs, whatever.  I would question the quality of such experiences however.  I think you intuitively answered your own question.  You say you've tried your way repeatedly with the same result.  Try the other way now and let us know your results.  One personal experience is worth a thousand opinions.  I bet after a week, you'll come flying out!


si

[psychosoma]

Psychosoma,

Have you visited my web site www.invisiblelight.us ? If not, all my data, stats, video, journals, radio interviews are available for download (free).

Pay attention closely to the spreadsheet that I created. Reason why I say this, it is my daily log and keeps me grounded, focused on projecting among my web site and helping others. There is a lot more to projecting then "just leaving the body" and I am talking about spirituality, helping others, faith, love, etc.. and booze doesn't yield results, especially what I have been blessed with and experienced!

Feel free to contact me!

Yes, actually I have been to your site, although it was quite some time ago.  I remember I had to register and I do have the user/password tucked away.  I'll go have another look for sure.  And yes, I agree, there is a lot more than just "leaving the body".  And I yearn to experience that.  But "getting out" (or getting "in", depending how you look at it) would be a good start.  You have to learn how to get out of the house before you can explore the neighborhood so to speak.

Thanks for the contact invite.  I may just do that in the near future.

Psychosoma

Tvos

[psychosoma]

Perhaps one is able to successfully OBE, drive a car, relate with others, etc. while ingesting alcohol, drugs, whatever.  I would question the quality of such experiences however.  I think you intuitively answered your own question.  You say you've tried your way repeatedly with the same result.  Try the other way now and let us know your results.  One personal experience is worth a thousand opinions.  I bet after a week, you'll come flying out!


si

Thanks for the input.  I should clarify thought that I do not try OBEing while under the influence.  I don't use drugs at all and I seldom drink after about 7 or 8 pm.  Being a night owl, must of my OBE attempts are after midnight and sometimes in the middle of the night after awakening.  So, I am not "under the influence" at the time of my OBE efforts.  Still, as I mentioned previously, I have this gut feeling that for whatever reason, booze is interfering. 

I bet after a week, you'll come flying out!

If you're right, you'll be the first to know

[tvos]

Psychosoma,

Amount of sleep (night before), specific days, time of the experience are very important. I honestly wish that I tracked my stats when I was younger, but didn't. Specific foods don't matter on projecting, I have done a three year study on food - latte's don't help.. I can definitely tell you alcohol will reduce energy, confuse, and weaken the drive. Can one project and drink socially, yes... but the level and degree of the experiences won't be up to par.

If you go to bed late and crash to sleep, the attemps at projecting will be at odds of failure. Try going to bed earlier and when you reach the morning hours - that is when success will prevail. Because you are starting to energize, surface from deep rem towards the borderline of awake/sleep trance state.

Also, w/o intent and passion for what you want to achieve will not yield results. Focus on one basic and realistic goal what you want to accomplish. For starters, the first time I projected, it was because I wanted to keep reading this OBE book. I had enough drive, desire, and passion to read this book and it did the trick! 

Patience and not giving up!

Tvos

[sterlingindigo]

Thanks for the input.  I should clarify thought that I do not try OBEing while under the influence.  I don't use drugs at all and I seldom drink after about 7 or 8 pm.  Being a night owl, must of my OBE attempts are after midnight and sometimes in the middle of the night after awakening.  So, I am not "under the influence" at the time of my OBE efforts.  Still, as I mentioned previously, I have this gut feeling that for whatever reason, booze is interfering. 

Understood.  My gut agrees with your gut.  My opinion is that it takes a great deal of energy to do what we're talking about here.  More energy than is normally available to the average person.  We can scrounge energy in numerous ways, by spending less on certain things and saving it for "other pursuits".   From now on, look at everything that goes into your body as fuel.  Some fuel is deleterious to our energy level, others tip the scale the other way.  Same with emotions, sleep, ..."activities". 

You have a couple really good things going for you; belief and intention.  Now add energy miser to the short list and you're off.  Email me if you want more tips on finding/saving/storing energy.

[369]

Understood.  My gut agrees with your gut. 

HAHAHAHAHA made my day.

[sterlingindigo]

Specific foods don't matter on projecting, I have done a three year study on food - latte's don't help..

Yeah, major bummer: coffee and candy (simple sugars) rev up the engine but leave you on EMPTY!  LOL

[369]

Actual many things are there just so we CAN'T OBE and do other kinds of things like telekinesis and etc

[Clarky]

I've heard having a clear mind is better for OBE's although most of my OBE's are the day 'after' I've had a heavy drink when I'm feeling really rough and tired.  I always expect to have an OBE the day after drinking and most of the time I will do.  There usually spontaneous and will happen at some point throughout the night where I'll wake up slightly paralysed and I'll go with it and project.  This can repeat several times after and can actually be a little frustrating if I just want to go to sleep. 

[psychosoma]

I've heard having a clear mind is better for OBE's although most of my OBE's are the day 'after' I've had a heavy drink when I'm feeling really rough and tired.  I always expect to have an OBE the day after drinking and most of the time I will do.  There usually spontaneous and will happen at some point throughout the night where I'll wake up slightly paralysed and I'll go with it and project.  This can repeat several times after and can actually be a little frustrating if I just want to go to sleep. 

Yes, I've heard this from many others, including my own brother.  Still, drinking heavily as a method of projecting is probably foolhardy and inevitably unhealthy.  I was in a serious Motorcycle accident a year and a half ago and was on narcotic painkillers for months.   I found that after a good dose of Dilaudid, when I went to bed, it was easy to slip into that numb, paralyzed state.  I still have a bunch of the Pain meds left, but like alcohol, I don't think it would be wise or healthy to use them as projection methods LOL.  I think what we have to figure out is:  What are the factors in the use of these substances that lead to the projection reflex, and then to recreate those conditions without using them, if that is possible.

Psychosoma

[tvos]

Friends,

One of my OBEs before coming to awareness of astral projection was indeed brought on from too many beers. Make a long story short, thought I was getting up, going to the restroom, all during the OBE. When I had returned, still in the drunken state, I got up and did my business on the floor in the basement where I was sleeping. Yes, there was a mess to clean up the next day, thankfull my brother, at that time knew what was going on and performed the clean-up.

I can remember this event as if it was a week ago, but this took place 25 years past. Again, re-iterarating that the alcohol is a drug, just like Nyquil is and it will not advance you to a clear conscious OBE.

One doesn't have to give up drinking all together, but lessen the intake and social aspect of it. Over-all you will benefit greater and feel accomplishment w/o a crutch to induce this state of awareness.

Tvos