Confused...

[Yang]

Hi, new here!

Been lurking around mostly. I started lucid dreaming and trying to astral project when I was 13. Now I'm 21.

I'm a little confused and would like to know others' take on it.

My "astral projections/OBE's" are a little weird. Cause after having them I always doubt whether it was a real one or just a lucid dream. I've had only a few ones which I don't doubt, but most just leave me "eh?"

The method that does the trick for me 90% of the time is getting up at 8-9 in the morning, staying up for a while(it's not necessary to even think about projecting while up) and then going back to sleep. My body falls asleep quickly, My mind's awake, I concentrate on the sound in my head, completely blank my mind and just play dead. Everything's great. I get vibrations. I can feel my astral body and then I am my astral body, I move out of my body and away.

So there I stand. I don't usually have problems with sight anymore, never had a problem with movement. I look around. I'm in my room definitely, a few things are missing though, like there was a big empty space this morning where my desk is supposed to be. I look at my bed. And usually my body's not there. Which leaves me confused.

I look in the mirror and I look exactly like I do. My fingers usually are normal(or a little crooked) and don't melt away. I can walk through mirrors/walls and fly and float and everything. But there's just one problem. Everything's kinda hazy, not the sight I mean, but like the quality of the whole thing. It doesn't feel real. I don't feel real. And I know AP/OBE is supposed to feel more real than the physical. I've had a false awakening not long ago when everything felt so real, I felt real just like at the moment typing this.

Usually I can get out several times in one try. While I'm out, everything fades and I wake up in my body, it's no problem I get out again. I can do this 6-8 times.

So it leaves me confused. I leave my body. I don't melt. I don't see myself in the bed. It doesn't feel very real. So which one is it, lucid dream or AP/OBE? How can I ever get out of body if getting out of my body doesn't do the trick?! 

[Prophazuh]

You said, "I can feel my astral body and then I am my astral body, I move out of my body and away," so I think it's safe to say that you were OOB. With a Lucid Dream you would either become lucid during the dream (DILD) or just enter a dream without a break in consciousness (WILD), you wouldn't feel yourself seperating while fully conscious and be in the room your in (that would be an OBE).

Most of the time, I don't see my body but that doesn't mean that I'm not OOB.

I don't think I have ever melted unintentionally but my hands have before when I focused on them.

The only problem I have is when you say, "It doesn't feel very real." When your OOB, it should feel just as real as if you were on the Physical Plane or even more real.

Maybe you should do an experiment, like having someone place a 3, 4 or 5 digit number in a room and while your OOB, go to the room, memorize the number and after you return to your body, report it to the individual that placed the number there for validation of the experience (although this may be tricky because the numbers can change).

[Yang]

I did. It didn't work.

I placed a fortune telling card face down on the table. I just randomly picked the card from the pack and didn't look at it. I got "out", the card was there, but it was a card that doesn't exist in real life. It looked more like a playing card, except it had all the symbols on it(clubs, spades, hearts, diamonds), it had a very beautiful design. So it didn't work.

If I'm OBEing then why doesn't it feel real? 

[Psan]

The technical term for such confusions is "Reality Fluctuations"
Even the masters like R Bruce have problems and they could not complete this simple test, as far as I know.

Most of the time the Astral is not a perfect copy of physical. No one knows why and hows of it all. You have to discover on your own.

You must remember that while projecting, you are in a completely new territory and no know laws may apply. Basically you don't know where you are and your expectations create a dream (which you are habitual to) and dreams are not real.

First thing to do while you are out is to try to get a grip of situation then do some tests etc.
All the best ...

[Tongo]

The technical term for such confusions is "Reality Fluctuations"
Even the masters like R Bruce have problems and they could not complete this simple test, as far as I know.



What do you mean? I thought they did etheral playing card validations quite a few times and they turned out correct (but yes they had wrong ones also but they wernt all wrong)

[Psan]

Who are 'they' ?
Can you please guide me to scientific literature/reports on it ?
There were few 'attempts' to do card tests, all were inconclusive, because getting it right for a few rare occasions is one thing and getting repeatable , firm evidence, day after day and year after year, is another.

I'm not saying that it cannot be done, only that no one tried seriously. Masters normally tell you that they have more important things to do, like awaken humanity etc, rather than guess cards. And novices usually fail.

[Th13rteen]

The technical term for such confusions is "Reality Fluctuations"
Even the masters like R Bruce have problems and they could not complete this simple test, as far as I know.

Most of the time the Astral is not a perfect copy of physical. No one knows why and hows of it all. You have to discover on your own.

You must remember that while projecting, you are in a completely new territory and no know laws may apply. Basically you don't know where you are and your expectations create a dream (which you are habitual to) and dreams are not real.

First thing to do while you are out is to try to get a grip of situation then do some tests etc.
All the best ...

Reality fluctuations are, in my opinion different dimensions. I have heard many accounts of people going OBE and seeing their room etc but having some differences. Ie. a desk not there when it should be, or a fireplace there when it shouldnt be etc. That is the "what", now for the "how" and the "why".

The "how": How is it we come to visit a place in fully waking consciousness that seems identical to our current waking reality with a few subtle (and not so subtle) differences?

   A: Because when we visit these places we are in one of the many countless dimensions that are close in vibratory rate to THIS physicality. Hence, the identical surroundings. Also it may be noteworthy that this could be the image the subconscious mind conjures up to make us feel "at home" when we are out of body so as not to wake up in a different and altogether alien (to us) locale and have to suffer shock.

The "why": Intent, or lack thereof. The only intent we are holding in our minds is to get out! We get so involved with just getting out that we forget where we are going to go when we do. Most people who are unfamiliar with this just want to get out so they will have validation. So you have alot of people that have a first time experience saying that their bedroom was almost like it is in the physical. Then you have alot of seasoned OOBE'rs saying the same thing. Think of this, how many times have you heard of someone who was a seasoned OOBE'r being able to hold their intent of going to a specific locale and going there at the moment of shifting or phasing with no discernable notice of being in their bedroom beforehand? Alot of people are just glad to get out. When and if I become adept in getting out, and when I get confident enough, I plan to begin "planning" my trips out before I go and use visualization and affirmations to assist me in getting me to where I want to go.

Remember, these are just my thoughts and opinions.

Also when he says "they" i think he is talking about "...the masters like R Bruce...".

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I reject your reality and substitute it with my own. -Adam Sessler

[Blink210]

Then if we are projecting into "a dream" that is subconciously created to look like reality, where do the stories of traveling to places they've never been or seeing people they know at their house come from?

[Th13rteen]

Then if we are projecting into "a dream" that is subconciously created to look like reality, where do the stories of traveling to places they've never been or seeing people they know at their house come from?

Past life memory recall

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I reject your reality and substitute it with my own. -Adam Sessler