What are your achievements and discoveries?

[Hannah b]

hey Stookie 

You brough up the topic of probably the biggest misconseption of all times...at least for me 

It doesn't matter if you are OBE ing, lucid dreaming, "just" dreaming, astral projecting..or mentally projecting (or..erm is that the same?  ) It is all the same experience. What differs is the intensity of these experiments and how concious you are at that time. I naturally started off with OBE (I'm a case where I actually worked on NOT having them) , then switched to lucid dreaming (it was more comfortable because I could wake up anytime), then swiched to mental projections (without all hassle- nice and quick)..and now...I don't even call it..I want to check out what is my friend doing, I tune to myself, see or hear the answer and then get an 70% validation of it.
We are multidimentional at all times, not just when we "leave" our bodies after years of practice filled with sweat and tears. Don't ever underestimate your experiences. They are all equall.

All the best to you 

[astral_neophyte]

Just wanted to point out that the comment made by Hagethuriel concerning Christ and what "He said" about Lucifer is false (perhaps he misphrased it, or simply doesn't understand the point made.)

As a serious student of the Bible and what it "says", I wanted to make this clear.  In fact I've studied scripture so much in private study and research, not satisfied with being spoon fed it's contents that I no longer consider myself a "Christian" because I believe most Christian doctrines don't even TEACH what scripture teaches.  (irony of ironies!)

Isa 14:12 is the only passage in the Bible that "Lucifer" is found (and it's OT, before Christ) and it's also completely erroneous.  Lucifer is a LATIN word (which as Hagethuriel mentioned, does represent 'light bringer') but it finds no equivalent in Hebrew or even Greek.  The root HEBREW word used in ISA 14:12 actually means "howl" (it's a verb!) and this same root Hebrew word is used elsewhere in the OT and transfered as 'howl' many times, in fact it's even used in the book of ISA as exactly 'howl!' in another place! this entire 'oh howl' theme is seen often in scriptures in the OT, the passage is actually dealing solely with the king of Babylon! ...not a made-up naughty angel turned into the devil....(how is that for quality English "translations"?)

Christ never stated Lucifer at all because Lucifer is a Christendom HOAX.  I do believe as the Bible actually teaches, that God created SATAN (an evil spirit from day one, not a Lucifer ex-angel being) and for a greater divine and GOOD purpose, so I do agree with Hagethuriel in that regard at least.

Plus I've had about 6 AP experiences, so I'm having to reevaluate everything now

[interception]

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a: Yes. Once or twice.

1.1 - If so, describe the place:
.One experience in particular took place in a gigantic living construct of some kind floating in space. Like a spaceship, but I don't think it was *just* a ship. There was a being there that appeared to me in a human form.
what were they like: Strange. Enigmatic. Sensual. Powerful.
what have you learned from them: The being showed me something which I could not remember. I just had the feeling it was very significant.


2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a: There are billions of civilizations and lifeforms out there, but a large portion seems to be in higher dimensions/spheres/planes....

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a: I cant recall the exact conversation with this being. It was not verbal. I remember trying very hard to keep up with the sheer amount of information it was projecting to me.

4 -  Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:
Gigantic multidimensional, living, floating fortresses!

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a: I could read alien languages but again, could not recall any of it.

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a: Most probably.

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
a: Tricks? After one experience I seemed more in control of my emotions.... not sure if that qualifies as a trick.

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:
Gigantic multidimensional, living, floating fortresses!

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
Seeing the birth of a new solar system. It was actually happening, but I was somehow watching it at a high speed. Like I was not bound by time.

11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a: Apart from the amazing dissapearing hands phenomena, not really.

13 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:
Memory access failure.

12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a: It is the ultimate play ground. Infinite in its potential scope. Like a fractal that keeps surprising you with its complexity, indefinitely as it evolves.

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a: Well, I believe in a God/Source. The concept has evolved immensely over the past few years.

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a: Yes. I was shown the formation of a new solar system.

[jub jub]

This is a great thread! Unfortunately, I have nothing to offer in the way of a contribution because I am so Astral challenged. 

[zZzSeanzZz]

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a:


Yes but they were of human presence.

1.1 - If so, describe the place:
       what were they like:
       what have you learned from them:


the place was found by following a heavy mist, almost a cloud that  went up and branched off into four different ways, but i just followed the most direct path, which led to what looked like  an old courthouse in the middle of the darkness and stars. there were about 5 doors in front and going through 1 of them i found a room with 4 or 5 people. i tried talking to them. they could only hear me when i spoke through my mind, not thought it. then they seemed a bit annoyed because this was my first experience with astral beings and asked just basic questions, like can you hear me, or see me?   



2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a:


i have only found a station but will try to find planets next time

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a:



it consisted of learning that they could hear what i said


5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a:



i remember reading about 3 words one of which was incorrectly spelled


6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
a:

flying, teleportation


14 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:

contact a guide-  go forward in time, which shouldnt be hard because all you have to do is go faster then a light year and then return to earth-  contact my aunt 


12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
there is other life

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a:
none yet, but ive only started to astral travel since this week

[Latina_diva]

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a: Yes, I had a great experience with a being that was already deceased from another dimension.

1.1 - If so, describe the place: Her world was different yet very familiar to ours, cars, homes and building were different.
       what were they like: When I went to her world, people look like we do they just dressed different. However they were more advanced technology wise.        
      what have you learned from them: I learned that I a part of me lived in that place as well. I saw myself older, saw my son at a man. (Back then my son was only couple months old).

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a: I lerned that we are not so different as we might think.

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a: This is hard to explain because there is so much to say on this, but I will say that she was kind and she helped me when I most needed it.
4 -  Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:
Hmmmm....well I remember seeing flying objects in the sky allot of them, but no one seemed to care.  I was scared and surprise, but everyone just kept on doing there own thing.

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a: Don't remember reading anything.

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a: No

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
a: No

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a: NO

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:
[font=Verdana]Myself and my son older. [/font]


9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
Listen to my thought and seeing my son as a man was amazing.


10 - Describe your most amazing validation:
That she came back with me when I returned to my world


11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a: no

13 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:

Not sure

14 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:

I want to travel to my past lives.
I want to talk to my grandfather that passed away.
I want to explore more dimension.

12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a: That it is infinite.

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a: Once I went to this place and there was tons of people walking around and I remember how everyone was so excited because someone was passing by, I could not see who it was, but I never felt so good in my life. I felt this amazing sensation of peace and love from this being that when I returned home, I was depress.  I know it was god our creator.

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a: no

[Ters]

Hi all, here you are my answers:

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?

Yes, several times.

1.1 - If so, describe the place:

For example, once in a area plenty of deceased. I made the conclusion it was a kind of welcoming zone for the recently dead people. It was amazingly crowded! There were thousands of people walking to every direction. There was organization but at the same time there was some disorder. I could meet some “guides” who leaded the deceased to somewhere, and talk to them.

1.2   what were they like:

Human look. Another times they looked like beings of light with human shape, no face. Another, just a consciousness without form and powerful energy and presence.


1.3 what have you learned from them

They showed me when you die you are always in company, never left alone. And some practical advices to pilot my life.

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?

I have not tried to travel to another planets.

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?

Most interesting was when I got out of body in my living-room and saw more than 40 people there. They were in two groups,  one in my living-room and another in my bedroom. Later was bigger. Both were leaded by a more evolved being (a man and a woman, respectively). Rest of people was being taught about different aspects of the AfterLife. Ii is a long story, but summarizing, I got very angry because I felt It was a housebreaking or something, and we begun a long heated argument. I did not understand why they had to do it in my flat. They had a reason, indeed. But I only wanted them to leave my home. So I obligated them to go. Then, another evolved being was still waiting for me there; we talked, but that is another story.....


4 -  Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:

a) A creature between a small camel and an elephant.
b) A fairy


5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?

I have been able to read several times. It is very hard, but usually I can catch first two or three words. Sometimes a sentence.

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?

Once I have read chinese names, but then I was difficult to write them.

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?

I guess it is possible to learn skills to be used in the physical plane, but I have not tried it yet.

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?

I was given advices.

7 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw

I visited the place where one of my friends, who had recently passed out, had been taken. I travel to a endless grassland, dotted with thousands of Small white and yellow flowers, under a marvelous sunny sky. I did not imagine before that such beauty could exist.

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:


Hard to choose. Mybe to visit one of my previous lifes.


10 - Describe your most amazing validation:

I read a note my sister left on the desk at home (where I do not live). Later, I went physically there and checked that it said exactly what I had read.


11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?

No


13 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:

“There are more and more explorers like you which come here to visit us, specially from Europe” (said by a guide)


14 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:

a) To visit  historical events
b) To visit more of my previous lifes
c) To meet different kinds of fairies (I have met one type of them)


12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?

I was inside of a physical storm. It was amazing to be in the middle of thunders, flashes of lightning and rays. I could observe the phenomenon from its interior.

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?

I have felt the presence of very evolved beings, and I could not bear it for a long time. Their power was overwhelming, what makes me infer how God could be felt.

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?

No

[Gandalf]

Excellent thread Andrew!

I'll add my answers shortly.

However, I would just say that I agree with Hannah that one of the biggest revelations for me has been that all astral/lucid/obe/dream experiences are all in fact the same thing - the only thing that differs is your level of conscious awareness.

ie during a standard 'dream' your conscious awareness is almost zero so you are at the mercy of what your sub-conscious mind happens to throw at you! (although this can be very useful in its own right of course - dream analysis is very useful), right through to full-on 'obes' and 'astral projections' where your conscious awareness in 100%, sometimes more so!

'Ludid dreams'  basically mean experiences where you can be anything up to 99% aware... however that missing 1% makes a huge difference!

For me, this revelation was a godsend because it made things so much easier.. everyone gets so hung up on classificatons - was this an obe? was this a dream? etc - now I don't worry about it: I just concentrate on raising awareness.

It's also encouraging for people as well - astral exploration is not an impossible task - you have 'astral' experiences every night!!! And you exist across the entire spectrum of consiousness!

[Milkdrops]

I am not going to complete the survey as I havent had a n AP yet but just needed to voice myself:

It seems to me most of the reports on this survey of what people have experienced seem to have derived from nothing more than lucid dreaming. There is too many references to lack of conciousness including direct references to "afterwards waking up" meaning they were at first asleep. If these accounts were all indeed AP or any form of concious out of body experiences, the clearness of them would be alot more realized, experienced and explained.

I think most are merely reporting there lucid dreams. Theres a huge difference from what I can gather based on reliable opinions and my own research. I just had to voice myself over that.

[Stookie]

Actually, a lucid dream is an astral projection. It just tends to be more of a subjective environment.

[Milkdrops]

Hmmm its all just subjective lucid dreaming? given thats the case I dont mean to pee in anybodys pool (which in this case is probably the whole forum) it all seems kind of pointless. For a start we cant be 100% sure it isnt just our brains imagination playing up during sleep and the average amount of sense or clear information one can get from a lucid dream, although more than a regular dream, still tends to be minimal.

I dont see what good it does to fuss over something which is merely a lucid dream as you dont notice while your there, the only way a dream registers is when one is awake and fully concious and by that time around 90% of what you might rememeber is lost.

[Stookie]

An AP isn't necessarily a lucid dream, but a lucid dream is an AP. It's really about what area of consciousness it happens in. When we dream, we tend to enter F2 (frank's model, or F12 monroe) which is a subjective state of consciousness. You can turn a lucid dream into a straight-up AP by changing your focus of awareness from F2 to another area. In lucid dreams it's possible to be just as conscious (or more conscious) as in everyday life. Even if it is all subjective, I don't see it as pointless - there's still a lot to learn about yourself and consciousness, and it can be fun.

Check out the thread on validations. TVOS has some pretty good validations on his website as well.

[violetlight]

this is such a great thread!

thanks andrew, and everyone else who's answered  

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?

a:  yup, ive met my spirit guides a few times, and there was a period where i used to meet the Earth Mother quite frequently.  she has the energy of Mary in Christian doctrine, or Kuan Yin in Chinese Buddhism.

also, any encounters i have with my power and totem animals shows me that they definitly have a more enlightened consciousness than i do.

1.1 - If so, describe the place:

umm.. the most memorable happened at a time when i was really searching for ansewrs and healing. i asked Mary to come with me. as i began to project, i felt her holding my right hand, and a man with a hat holding my left. we projected to a place with beautiful green grass, golden sunlight and white buildings. there were lots of people walking towards something, and we walked with them.
but this scenario kept playing out in front of us, and it was so bizarre and horrific that i actually forgot about my guides, and went to investigate it, thinking it may be related to my subconscious.

       what were they like:  trustworthy and reliable, full of truth and virtue.  (Mary appeared as a beam of light.)  the animals were joy and unconditional love incarnate.
       what have you learned from them:  the nature of pure love.  that truly enlightened beings will not react to what you fear- they will not change, they just Are.

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
nothing!  i have met aliens, but i think they were a parallel of this dimension.  they were very nice.

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
it was during the time period i mentioned above, different OBE.  i met a blond haired boy, and he pointed above my head, saying "whats that?  theres a dark cloud above your head!"  then my vision shifted to someone sitting under a tree, who had previously been camoflagued by it.  i ran over to him.  he looked like an Amazon warrior/ witch doctor.  he began to taunt me, but i asked him to remove the cloud over my head.  he obliged, and performed the most amzing healing ritual on me.  when i eventually came to, hours later, it was as if i was seeing colour for the first time.

4 -  Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:

1) was flying around a beautiful place once where there were all these trees on tiny islands, and each tree had loads of bowls of fruit on its branches.  there was one kind of fruit i didnt recognise.  it tasted a bit like star fruit.  when i asked what it was, i was told "snoozeberry".  instant reaction- "no way- roald dahl was here?!"

2) vampires, other negs.

3) hands appearing out of mid air, waving wands and creating my reality right in front of me.

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
cant retain anything i read, but it never seems that important!

[b}5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?[/b]
think so, but dont remember.

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
not really, theres lots of things i seem to instinctively know how to do...  did learn how to iceskate without ice though!


7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
all the time.  its generally abstract though, and only comes to me once ive analysed how i reacted to each situation, and how this relates to how i react to things in life.

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:

the Earth Mother.  angels made of light.


9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
astral orgasm!

10 - Describe your most amazing validation:

going to the astral plane, and seeing past lives played out in front on me in a hall of mirrors.  and then reading about these places on the internet- months later.

meeting several of the archetypes on separate occassions before even reading carl jung.

these at least validated to me the existence of the collective unconsious.

sharing a visit to the astral with my flat mate.  she doesnt remember it, but i heard her wake up right after me, and she looked absolutely exhausted the next day.  she also told me personal things in that projection that she hadnt told me in real life.


11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?

actually, recently i was having some difficulty getting out of my room, and my vision wasnt great.  i was trying to go through the window when i noticed that i had something covering my forehead.  (it was like one of those things they give you to cover your eyes on long haul flights!)  i wonder if the way our astral body appears to us, and feels, can tell us abbout the baggage we are carrying in real life?

13 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:
twice i heard the most amzing music.  it was a women singing in a language i didnt know- it didnt sound like a language that is in existence anymore.  her voice was so pure, and powerful.

ive also heard the most profound knowledge iterated to me, but my conscious mind cant relay it.  its floating around in my subconscious somewhere!


14 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:
keep learning about myself, learning how to learn, and learning how to live.

although ive learnt that the best place for doing that is when we're awake!

id love to actually converse with a ascended being.  ive met some, but they havent said much! (although i dont even know what id ask them).

just want to keep learning in general!  id love to attend dream school.  

12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?

getting confirmation on the collective unconscious was a Huge deal- it was the light i could look back to during my dark night of the soul.

also, see below.  

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
 two clues- one was a lucid dream, the other was the beginning of a projection.
1) i was experiencing a past life death.  dying felt like quickly losing physical consciousness, while other consciousnesses became more pronounced and focused.  suddenly, i was at a point of complete Awareness- i could look back on all the past lives id ever had, and also had complete understanding of Creation, the Universe, and All That Is.  (could not carry any of this info through into waking!)

2) this was so beautiful.  i was leaving my physical body, and entered a place i refer to as the Womb of the Universe.  all i could feel- was Total and Absolute Love.  it covered me so thickly it was like a blanket, and yet i was part of it, and it was all of me.

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
actually- yes, but not whilst asleep!  i was lying in bed one night and got the full run down on evolution onland on this planet.  i was quite good at biology at school, but had never flexed my capacities that far before.  fascinating!

again, thanks a million andrew!  its been great to actually search the memory banks and share.

peace  

[AndrewTheSinger]

That's awesome, thanks a lot everyone,
looking forward to hearing of your verifications, Gandalf.

[zareste]

*A guiding voice speaks of the neanderthals and the appearing of the human race. It says we're not all descendants of a single type of pre-historic men, we're hybrids.

Anymore details?  This hybrid issue has puzzled me for years.  Biologists theorize the neanderthals appeared and cross-bred with primates - was that it?

Seeing the birth of a new solar system. It was actually happening, but I was somehow watching it at a high speed. Like I was not bound by time.

Wow.  Could you explain it in detail?  It'd be fun to hear something so mysterious explained like that - and I'd love to hear any other info you heard.