Which one?

[stevj016]

Hi,

http://www.monroeinstitute.com/store/product.php?productid=1631&cat=0&page=1&featured

http://www.astraldynamics.com/library/?BoardID=143

I would really like to know in your opinion if these work and which one is best?

Thank you for your time,
Stevj016.

[CFTraveler]

I own them both and like them both.
They both work for me, so it's hard to pick.   However, I can describe them to you and you can decide which one you prefer.
the JOOB HSS is a set of multiple CD's made by the Felixes, which are the people that worked with RMonroe, and they are developed to aid in OBE.  They are pleasant to listen to, and have very little vocal direction, except on the relaxation part.  Mainly you listen and relax. It is helpful if you have the book Journeys out of the Body, because it's going to ask you to use the exit method RM described in it-unless you already know the method (which is not phasing, btw.) The part where you get to the OBE freq. you will hear Robert Monroe's voice say "remember your intention" which startles you a bit but for all intents and purposes, it's good.
The MAP CD Companion is mainly the whole Mastering Astral Projection program in CD form.  It has a little bit of help in the booklet dept, but is really designed to be listened to.  The voice in it is not Robert Bruce's, it's a voice actor.  In it he guides you through the whole program, from relaxation, energy work all the way to the OBE exit.  The only thing I found annoying is the way he says "good" after you're done doing something, which is also startling.  My favorite thing is that the last CD can be listened to without any voice as long as you want, you can loop it, so if you've finished the program and want to listen to a day without instructions, you can.
I use both and enjoy both, and both are excellent. 
If you can afford them get both, because even though they sound like they are both for the same thing, each one gives you something different-and that will be for each to experience.

[stevj016]

Hi,

Thank you so much for your reply CFTraveler, it was very helpful. Well I have no problem getting both, but I would prefer getting either one first. I am a complete beginner and would really like to know in your opinion which one would be best for the complete beginner? I won't get them both straight away as I would be jumping into it a bit, I would get the second one after I'm finished with the first. Anyway, I can understand that both may be unfavourable, but do you have any idea on which one would be more advisable for the absolute beginner?

Just one more question, was using one of the Cd's how you first started out? If so, did it make you Astrally Project?

I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you for your time,
Stevj016.

[atraveler]

Hi,

I also own them both but unfortunately neither of them have worked for me yet.  I think each person must find what works for him or her.  What has had great results for me as a beginner (about 4 months of practicing) have been the www.saltcube.com videos - specifically the OBE Timer method.  I created an MP3 CD, about two hours long, of periods of silence followed by beep noises.  When you purchase the videos, you also get access to four MP3 files: 1 minute of silence, 2 minutes of silence, 4 minutes of silence, and beeps.

I use the "wake back to bed" method, referred to on that website as "rhythm napping".  At around 5am I wake up and spend about 10 - 15 minutes awake (usually changing the baby's diaper!).  The videos say you should spend between 45 minutes and an hour, but that's too much for me because it becomes tougher to fall back asleep. (It depends on where you are on the continuum of heavy vs. light sleeper.)  Then I turn on the CD, put on one ear bud speaker, and go back to sleep on my side.  There are two main goals now: 1. for you to fall asleep and have one of the beeps go off while you're in REM sleep so it wakes you up enough to realize that you're dreaming but not so much that it stops your dream.  If you can recognize you're dreaming, you can have a lucid dream and then do an OBE exit from there. 2. If 1. doesn't happen, then the beeps render your sleep light enough such that even if you take out the ear bud after an hour or so and go back to sleep, you'll be aware enough to recognize when you're dreaming and then have a LD and/or OBE.

In my personal opinion, the WBTB/rhythm napping method is by far the easiest way for beginners (like me) to start experiencing these effects.  I believe that there is a progression of skills from easiest to achieve to more difficult.  I think WBTB/rhythm napping method is the easiest method.  However, at some point, once I gain a certain amount of skill with this method (I've had about 7 or 8 experiences in the last 2 months) I will move to trying to have Wake-Induced Lucid Dreams (WILDs) and meditation-induced OBEs.  I tried the meditation methods with the Hemi-Synch CDs for the first two months and the furthest I got was moderate vibrations.

The next step in my personal progression will be to get some audio-editing software and take one of the Hemi-Synch CDs and overlay beeps into it at certain intervals so I will have a "Hemi-Synch OBE Timer".

I certainly don't intend to disagree with the previous person who replied.  I can only tell you what worked for me.  It's in everyone's best interest that everyone here have as much success as possible.  Keep trying because this stuff is real and you can definitely do it!!!

Atraveler

[Colden]

I have tried both of them. The books, the hemi-sync and the brain wave generator. They are good knowledge but not practical. It is only when you quit trying will you be successful.

[CFTraveler]

Hi,

Thank you so much for your reply CFTraveler, it was very helpful. Well I have no problem getting both, but I would prefer getting either one first. I am a complete beginner and would really like to know in your opinion which one would be best for the complete beginner?

That's a hard question, because I learned to control my OBEs with the MAP program, but it was the book, not the CD set.  I got the CD set for my husband because he's not a 'reader' and it did help him.  I purchased the JOOB set to be used for the Hall of Learning online workshop, and I have to say that both have been helpful, but the MAP program had more information.  The CD set is more guided, but not as informative as the book.  So you see why it's hard to answer.

Stevj016 wrote:
Just one more question, was using one of the Cd's how you first started out? If so, did it make you Astrally Project?

I've been projecting since I was a child, but it was spontaneous and uncontrolled.  The MAP program taught me to induce and control them.

atraveler wrote:
What has had great results for me as a beginner (about 4 months of practicing) have been the www.saltcube.com videos - specifically the OBE Timer method.  I created an MP3 CD, about two hours long, of periods of silence followed by beep noises.  When you purchase the videos, you also get access to four MP3 files: 1 minute of silence, 2 minutes of silence, 4 minutes of silence, and beeps.

I have heard that the saltcube timers are very effective, especially if you are a heavy sleeper.  It gets you to induce the 'maba' state and is good for lucid dreaming too.  I never needed it because I'm a light sleeper and get up frequently to enjoy those half-states, but I agree if you've never had a false awakening or spontaneous OBE that's the way to go.
Another thing I recommend that uses no gadgets is to get up 2 hours before it's time to wake up and use your favorite technique if you have one.  If you don't it's time to get readin'.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/technique_central-t19294.0.html

Colden wrote:

I have tried both of them. The books, the hemi-sync and the brain wave generator. They are good knowledge but not practical. It is only when you quit trying will you be successful.

I have to disagree here.  You have to want to do it to succeed unless you're a natural projector.  The only time I advocate 'not trying' is when you've been practicing a lot and feel 'burnt out'.  Then stopping practice and taking a break is good, but not to be confused by giving up.

[stevj016]

Hi,

Thanks again for your reply, I have chosen to buy Mastering Astral Projection first. I hope I have made the correct choice, I chose it as the other one seems to be more focused on the Science part of it. I also think Mastering Astral Projection will help me achieve Astral Projection faster. Just one question, if I would have chosen Journeys Out of The Body I would have had to buy the Monroe Book as well, is it the same with Mastering Astral Projection? I mean, would I have to buy the Mastering Astral Projection Book as well as the Cd version?

I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you for your time,
Stevj016.

[CFTraveler]

No you shouldn't have to, because MAP comes with a small booklet that spells out how you're going to go about the program, and it is guided.
If you still want more information, Robert has written an online treatise and tutorials on NEW which can supplement your possible need for information or clarification. (All free)