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Author Topic: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience  (Read 5722 times)
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« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2010, 09:39:55 »

My sessions don’t seem to be as productive as they were a few weeks ago either, I think I’ve hit a bit of a dip… which is natural from what I’ve heard from other people who meditate regularly. The important thing is to meditate through the slump, taking a few days off as a break just makes things worse. I’ve found some free local meditation classes which is helping me stay inspired and motivated. I’ve also officially registered for the Gateway Voyage at TMI in August, which I’m super excited for.

This happens to everybody, don't worry. A problem that many people have when they first try to do OBEs without having done nothing (or almost) before and try to reach that goal is that they focus their mind on the wrong things. Don't worry about exiting, worry about the meditation, if you do it right and you learn how the meditate properly (having 100% concentration and losing really in what you are doing) exiting the body becomes a trivial task.

Usually a course of study is really necessary before being able to exit the body voluntarily. People that doesn't do this can still exit the body, but the results are random. This is for the motive that they didn't actually master the steps that bring about the practice. A musicist doesn't learn a piano concert at first, he exercise on single notes, then a group of them, and so on. He constructs a base of working that when acquired will enable him to do everything easily. This is the best way to approach these things.

I suggest you for example to take a look at Liber HHH part AAA of Crowley (google it). You will see that the meditation is closely related to the body. Now, also if it's not really an OBE meditation you can clearly understand that for a person that can do the same easily exiting the body is as easy as a child's play.

This is to say to you to focus primarly on the means, not the end, this last will come by itself.

One new abnormal event that’s happened to me that hasn’t been mentioned yet is I’ve experienced the ability of parallel thinking. That is, I’ve actually been able to think two thoughts at once while in a meditative state. It basically happened by accident, since I was actually trying to clear my mind but had lost my grip on the mantra. The thing is, my mantra was still going and yet I was also perceiving/interpreting images in my mind’s eye. I then became self-aware of both my focus on the mantra as well as the interpretation of the images.. after a short while they both stopped as I broke both trains of thought.

This is normal. The first stage of a mantra requires all attention, and many exchange the first stage for the last, in fact. In the second the mantra continues almost by its own will and you can still think also if on a different level. The third stage is acquired when the mantra loses all its meaning but it still shields all thoughts. This part is when the mantra ceases to exist altogheter and the mind becomes totally blank.

As far as the actual OBE exit techniques, a problem with my process had been identified to me. The reason I wasn’t liking the exit techniques and why they seemed to pull me out of the meditative state was because I had associated the technique with my physical body. As I would focus on the technique, my awareness of my physical body would increase. So instead of going deeper “inward”, I was coming back “outward” to my body. I have to thank Selea for this. The solution to this appears to be focusing on visualization… associate the exit technique with a visualized body… not my own. Theoretically at some point I should be able to shift my point of consciousness into that imaginary thought-form by “feeling” for it. Wow.. that sounds vague to me even as I write it but at my current state of spiritual knowledge I believe it to be possible.

Also in this case you have these sort of problems (as have all people that do these things without proper training first) because you are accustomed to associate yourself to your physical body, as I've said. For example in Liber O (where Crowley talks about Astral Projection) he says clearly that an absolute control of God-forms is essential before being able to create the Body of Light. This is natural. A God-form enable you to focus solely on that image enveloping your body to the exclusion of all else. There is a point in the discipline when this "form" actually exists on its own, as real as it is your physical body (and this last doesn't exists no more, your consciousness is in the "form"). When you have learned this the Body of Light is easy to create. Without, it's a pain.

Naturally there are sidesteps to overcome this lack of knowledge. One is what I told you to do. The act of creating a duplicate of your body to see in 3d view actually "trick" the mind (after a bit of practice) to follow the same, till you find "inside" the same (it mimicks a bit the assumption of a God-form). Another is explained in the document I linked you, where you actually begin separating all body and astral parts one at a time. The most powerful, however, remains mastering God-forms, for various reasons.

Naturally, then (and I will not lie to you), there are also some "tricks" that can be teached, however sadly these are only doable in person, because you have to watch the student doing the thing "astrally". Crowley insisted many times that he could make a person "go out" either at the first try. This seems to being the case in many circumnstances also in my experience. However these "tricks" are only to let a student really understand some points that were already within him/her, in reality they serves only to really make learn the student that he can surely do it. Many times this "fear of success" (or doubt that you cannot do it) is present in almost everyone. The "tricks" removes the same, and when this is out of the equation (also if it is difficult to believe) the rest is much easier.

I’ll continue to post my progress and any major trials/events. My ultimate goal has changed into more than just having an OBE, it’s about evolving and understanding my consciousness as much as possible.

This is really good. It is a sign of your real progress. Also if you can think that your end has not come, on the contrary you have learned something that it's much more useful. Doing work without lust for result. When you completely learn this, along with the methods of working all becomes easy.

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Selea
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« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2010, 10:04:04 »

This has been a very interesting and thought-provoking account to follow! Thanks for your candid insights, and please keep us posted about your progress and epiphanies.
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« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2010, 13:20:14 »

I agree with MuVoVuM Smiley I've been following this thread since you started it!
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« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2010, 22:06:37 »

I've been sharpening my meditation with the help of some free classes and gaining a better conceptual understanding of the non-physical from the books I'm reading. It's all very exciting stuff to me right now, but progress is a little slower than I'd like!

The third book in Bruce Moen's series is so crazy, and it aligns well with Todd Campbell's "My Big Toe"... I'm getting a pretty big conceptual picture of reality. It feels intuitively true, but I want to experience it firsthand. I also recently read "Eat, Pray, Love" for fun, which gave me another perspective on my spiritual growth.

I swear I was extremely close to leaving my body yesterday.. I lost all feeling in my body... almost attaining a sort of "point consciousness". For whatever reason my eyes naturally opened (or was it astral sight? I couldn't tell), and all I could feel was warmth and energy. It was the deepest disconnection with my physical body I've felt thus far.
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« Reply #94 on: September 05, 2010, 02:25:34 »

Well I got back from TMI (The Monroe Institute) a couple weeks ago. It's taken me a while to get some free time and to really understand any sort of permanent changes their Gateway Voyage program left on me. It was an amazing week of self-discovery, exploration, experience, and development.

In a nutshell I came wanting to learn more about consciousness and subjective experience (and maybe have an OBE too!). While I didn't have a pure OBE, I did come away with much more than I expected. I do have a deeper understanding of how I am more than my physical body (consciousness). I am more aware, happy, sensitive, and caring in general, and have a modified outlook on life.

The Gateway Voyage teaches you how to attain different altered states of consciousness (what they call Focus 10, 12, 15, and 21) with the help of Hemi-Sync. Attaining these states during the program was surprisingly easy. Some people might also know that Bob Monroe termed this shifting between altered states as phasing. Phasing is a whole lot easier to do and is more gradual than trying to just attain an OBE. I think it's because phasing allows you to be open to any sort of non-physical perception, instead of expecting for XYZ to occur in an OBE.

Conscious experience is very subjective and there is quite a variety of ways to experience the focus levels. That's why if you believe you want to have an OBE just like one you've read, you'll likely end up blocking any sort of non-physical perception that isn't what you're expecting. It's much better to just be open to what comes to you. That's one of the biggest things I learned at the Gateway Voyage, and it's why I've dropped the goal of "having an OBE" for something more general and expansive.

My non-physical perceptions were varied between visions, feelings, and the occasional sense of "knowing". I should be clear that these visions came to me in my mind's eye (so I didn't see it through my physical eyes), and I'd sometimes have trouble figuring out whether I was actually imagining what I was seeing or if I wasn't. I'm far from mastering this, but I've also come a long way.

The exercises at the Gateway Voyage also give you plenty of tools. This gives you things to try when you're lying there in the altered state, such as receiving guidance, performing healing, remote viewing, manifestation, interacting with entities, etc. One of the best successes for me was deepening my connection with my guidance (be it a guide, helper, or whatever you want to call it). When I have a question about something going on in my life, I can usually get a yes/no answer from this guidance (it depends on the question) - which is very useful! The manifestation exercise actually ended up working for me (a specific boost in my career), and I received some positive results (not 100% accurate) with the remote viewing.

I'm not 100% sure why I'm more happy, sensitive, caring, etc. I think part of it has to do with having experiences that have showed me what an open heart *feels* like. Hemi-Sync also tends to make you use both your left-brain and your right-brain - and my right-brain has definitely been underutilized. Perhaps coming in greater alignment with my whole being has helped in some way as well.

I used to dismiss most subjective experience (i.e. lived in the left-brained objective causality of Western culture) - but there is SO much to it.. and it is directly applicable to our everyday lives.

I should also mention that another huge source of knowledge for me about all of this has come from the book "My Big Toe". This book and its author really resonate with me - I've been able to make sense of all this new age "hokum" in a logical framework that makes sense to me. It's been completely compatible with my Gateway Voyage and enhanced my understanding of it.

I will definitely be going to TMI within the next year to take another program. I'm currently debating between Heartline, Guidelines, and MC squared. My current goals are to become more loving/caring, and to enhance my non-physical perceptions by continuing to meditate everyday.
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« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2010, 15:06:17 »

michaelsaganski: Hi, you have been working rather goal oriented to make an OBE. That's about the same I've been doing for a few months now, but with very little success. So I either lack skill, or I am doing things wrong.

Did you tell the TMI personal about your OBE attempts and did you ask them about what you possible could do more correct to succeed with an OBE? What Focus to start from, which Hemi-Sync CDs to use, etc?

Thanks for sharing with the rest of us. Smiley
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« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2010, 17:54:17 »

michaelsaganski: Hi, you have been working rather goal oriented to make an OBE. That's about the same I've been doing for a few months now, but with very little success. So I either lack skill, or I am doing things wrong.

Did you tell the TMI personal about your OBE attempts and did you ask them about what you possible could do more correct to succeed with an OBE? What Focus to start from, which Hemi-Sync CDs to use, etc?

Thanks for sharing with the rest of us. Smiley

Well they sort of stressed the point that there is much more to this than just OBE. By just going for an OBE you could be blocking other kinds of experiences. But that being said, there are some specific Hemi-Sync tracks that focus on having an OBE. I believe they're in the 3rd "Gateway Experience" set (Wave 3). There's also a Hemi-Sync CD called "Journeys out of the Body" which is specifically for OBE. You can have an OBE at any focus level, although I think they generally do it on the CD's from 10 or 12.
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« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2010, 19:37:22 »

There's also a Hemi-Sync CD called "Journeys out of the Body" which is specifically for OBE. You can have an OBE at any focus level, although I think they generally do it on the CD's from 10 or 12.

The H-S CD you mention above I could not find at the TMI homepage. Could you mean "Adventures Beyond the Body"? I have that 2 CD set. The first CD didn't seem to produce so much effect, but I might be a poor subject. The second CD (Power of 7) seems to create some kind of prolonged experience, possibly of F 10 (fake numbness, feeling of lifting into air).

Do you prefer any specific H-S CD at you current stage (other than the Wave III CD)?
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« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2010, 23:49:19 »

The complete name for it is "Hemi-Sync Support for Journeys out of the Body", and is carried by TMI and Hall of Learning.
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