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« on: November 17, 2003, 08:08:33 »

To be completely honest I knew a lot about astral projection from reading many books, but almost nothing about achieving it untill I read Astral Dynamics.  I know how frustrating it can be to fail at AP, but it's one of those things that you can't take a potion and experience it.  Practice is the key, and if that answer doesn't satisfy you, then unfortunately it's just too bad.  There is no easy way!  Maybe this could help though.  
What you really need to practice at are different techniques.  When you find one that makes you "feel funny" or get somewhere, then you stick with it and practice improving that alone.  Sometimes different techniques are used for different stages-IE. one technique for relaxation and another for mind control.  There are SOOO many different techniques that people use and devolop that it can seem like there is just too much to do.  In actuality, all you really need is to find one or two simple excersises that bring you success, and then try each time to become more skillful at them.  The key ingredient in success is desire.  This is because if you have desire you are willing to practice even through frustration and doubt.  In doing so, you will find success.  But NO ONE can say how long that will take.  So it comes down to a simple question...
How bad do you want it?
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2003, 08:45:35 »

Cool, thanks a lot. I just read Trisha's essay and that really helped too. I'm gonna work on this every night.
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2003, 08:45:35 »

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2003, 14:14:43 »

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I can't get an OBE without the use of DXM!! I hate it! I know its a practice thing but I don't feel like hopping from site to site reading repeatitive information. Can anyone suggest a good site that will tell me everything? All of you that are successful in achieving OBEs, what are your resources for learning how to get them? If you prefer you can email me at xsignsxofxchaosx@yahoo.com

Thanks a lot


First off, more important than techniques is having the right ATTITUDE.  You need the right mindset in order to have repetitive OBE's.

This is such an important step, and yet, many people are unconsciously aware that their attitude is working against them.  

Let's take you for example.  In just the first sentence of your post, you say you CAN'T have an OBE without the use of something else.  You're already reinforcing a negative mindset against your progress, because you think that there is no way to have one without DXM.

Second, while you recognize that it's a "practice thing," you also say that you "don't feel like" reading the same things over and over again.

Well, unfortunately, people say the same things over and over again because there are common techniques that work for most people.  The key is not to read some magical technique that'll blow your mind away.  The key is practicing the repetitive stuff so that you'll have an OBE, and THAT will blow your mind away.

All I can suggest is that you read all the suggested books (like Astral Dynamics, and the first one from Robert Monroe) just to keep the OBE Mentality permanently on your mind.  Read before you go to bed, and practice relaxation & quieting the mind everytime you lay down.

Be persistent, practice, and keep a positive attitude, because that is the perfect recipe for having an OBE!
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2003, 14:30:35 »

Reading about OBE/AP throughout the day and thinking about,pondering, going over it every chance I get throughout the day when I am wanting to project is probably a major part of the success I have had. I think you need to change your perspective on AP because it is not like playing Playstation where you can just turn it on for a few minutes whenever you feel like getting a little fix. Reading about everything you can get your hands on will help give you new ideas. With those ideas experiment to see what works best for you.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2003, 18:09:38 »

Yeah, I undertand this. I didn't mean I didn't want to researth or study AP I just don't want to read false information from the internet over and over. My mind is dead set on getting an OBE so I'm gonna check out that Astral Dynamics book. Do they have it at the local book store?
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2003, 18:49:09 »

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Yeah, I undertand this. I didn't mean I didn't want to researth or study AP I just don't want to read false information from the internet over and over. My mind is dead set on getting an OBE so I'm gonna check out that Astral Dynamics book. Do they have it at the local book store?


Yes, they should have that at most bookstores with a decent selection.  Especially places like Barnes and Noble, Borders, etc.

Also, look for "Journey's Out Of The Body" by Robert A. Monroe.  That is probably the single most influential book on my OBE experiences.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2003, 20:25:50 »

"Journeys Out of the Body" is what got me started as well.  I too recommend it.  I had to order Astral Dynamics because my book story didn't have it (it's a Walden Books).  You can also get a lot of the same information by going to the training section of this website and clicking on "Treatise of OBE".
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2003, 21:58:13 »

Astral Projection is pretty much like anything else that is worth while striving for; you get out of it what you are willing to put into it.  Once you have your first OBE, and it will probably just be a short one, you will then have all the motivation you will ever need!!! And remember that there is more than one way to get there. Even if yoor AP practices fail at first, as most of them do, you may very well phase into Lucid Dreams which can be very exciting and helful to your practice.  You might want to go back into the Forum Archives here and check out some techniques that have worked for other members, and don't give up on them to soon, try them several times first as you  may profit from the conditioning. Once you are completely relaxed prior to an AP attempt you will find that your imagination can provide an extensive variety of exit methods, like bungee jumping off cliffs, etc. and if you design them then they are much more likely to work for you. Keep trying and you'll get there. Oh yes, I got my Astral Dynamicas copy thru Amazon Books dot Com. and Robt Monroe's first book got me hooked too.  Good Luck!!
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2003, 07:21:47 »

I can't get an OBE without the use of DXM!! I hate it! I know its a practice thing but I don't feel like hopping from site to site reading repeatitive information. Can anyone suggest a good site that will tell me everything? All of you that are successful in achieving OBEs, what are your resources for learning how to get them? If you prefer you can email me at xsignsxofxchaosx@yahoo.com

Thanks a lot
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