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Author Topic: Any good books for learning more about the places we can travel to?  (Read 832 times)
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« on: October 09, 2016, 02:38:51 »

I would like to learn more about the nonphysical places you can travel to so I thought I'd read Robert Monroe's books.  But I found his first book "Journeys out of the body" very confusing.  Are there any other good books out there for learning more about the nonphysical that aren't so confusing?  Or that can help me make sense of what Robert Monroe talks about in his books?
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2016, 06:13:09 »

I would like to learn more about the nonphysical places you can travel to so I thought I'd read Robert Monroe's books.  But I found his first book "Journeys out of the body" very confusing.  Are there any other good books out there for learning more about the nonphysical that aren't so confusing?  Or that can help me make sense of what Robert Monroe talks about in his books?
Hey Kuurt. This Sub=Forum is loaded with info on Astral Projection related books by a number of great Authors on the subject. You can also find "reviews" of them there as well.
 http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews-b34.0/
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2016, 06:13:09 »

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2016, 07:06:38 »

If JOB was a bit confusing, then you are in for a real treat if you read Far Journeys!

I recommend it because it will give you a sense of some of the Non-Physical Realities, but you have to understand that these experiences are all subject to our individual interpretations, the 'experiencers' interpretation. The content is dependent on the context and that is dependent on the experiencer.

That doesn't mean that if ten of us experience the same particular NP event that we will get ten completely different interpretations. We might get that. Or we might get five people generally agreeing and the other five with completely divergent opinions. Or it could be any of a number of permutations.

It all depends on the person having the experience.

What's more is the apparently infinite range of experiences available to us in the NP.

And honestly, there are not many projectors who have explored that deeply into the NP. Monroe is one, Kurt Leland is another. Swedenborg has some excellent but heavily overlaid religious experiences. The same could be said for Dante's Inferno which may be an actual astral travelguide of the Underworld. The rest of them, at least the published ones, really haven't gotten much further than what is commonly referred to the RTZ/etheric plane...at least what I have seen written and I have collected over thirty books on OBE alone.

At the risk of over-promoting the Pulse, some really good experiences/classification systems can be found here by the likes of Szaxx, Bedeekin and some archived works by Frank Kepple (which you can thank Xanth for his herculean task of assembling all Frank's works) and Ginny comes to mind. So there is that.

My own favorite author is Kurt Leland. His earlier experiences parallel my own, and I resonate with his insights. He freely admits that he is working from what he calls 'provisional beliefs' and that these are constantly open to revision. I can respect that and I have found it true in my own explorations and researches for the last 45 years or so. His personal psychic abilities naturally led him into the Theosophical system for categorizing these incredibly varied experiences. You don't need to get all caught up in the 1800's mystical aspect of it. This frame-of-reference posits the idea of nine 'planes' of existence: Physical, etheric, astral, mental, causal, buddhic...etcetera. So that is ONE way to categorize 'where' these experiences are occurring...but you need to keep in mind that it is still JUST one interpretive method. I happen to follow it as well, because so far, it is confirming my experiences. At the same time, I have to keep in mind that to some degree, this may be 'coloring' my experiences. I am okay with that as long as I keep it in context; when I get to the point that my interpretation needs to change, then I will consider it.

Leland has a very basic description of how to understand your experiences within the NP (and this includes your dreams) You have to keep in mind that in the NP-

                         Everything is Energy, Information, and Consciousness

Leland has a website, which sadly hasn't been updated since 2010; he is working on a new book and I am looking forward to it with great enthusiasm. His last book, The Multidimensional Human, I have read seven times. I have never read any other book seven times, lol. I am not one who makes notes in the margins or underlines, or highlights passages...I have scribbled all over this book, it has confirmed so many of my experiences and insights. On his website, you can get a taste of what he has by reading his Astral Projection Log which has some absolute gems in it. Here on the Pulse, we have commented on some of these and when experiencers like Lumaza and Szaxx comment favourably on them, then it just confirms my own thinking.

Sadly, all of Kurt's books are out of print currently. MDH is readily available; Otherwhere is a spectacular read but at times pricey on the used book market (as book retailers realize the value in his work), I paid 60USD for my copy and it was worth every penny. The Unanswered Question is the other one I have and is a bit of a textbook for the first half, but very good overall; it explores a comparison of his interpretations of the Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Excellent in it's insights. All three of these books give you some serious things to think about. MDH gives you that AND some techniques to build up your ability to get you there. Haven't ever met or communicated with the guy and if allowed only one word, it would be thanks!

The theosophists break it down to some relevant subplanes within the astral and mental. Leland makes a distinction with the personal Astral dreamspace which leads to the Astral Proper (which is where our afterlife takes place; I have been there but not enough times to venture any personal opinion except that I think it is there); there appears to be a Simulation/Training Zone which is in between and my experiences over the last several years have taken place there.

Honestly, there is no one else in print that I am aware of; at least no one that impressed me as far as regarding the question you have asked.

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2016, 08:13:17 »

Hi Kuurt ...

I would add Jurgen Ziewe and his "Vistas of Infinity" to this discussion (only $10 on your Kindle). He describes a variety of experiences in this book. On Amazon, there are several reviews of the book including mine. Even William Buhlman provides a review of this book.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/review/R3MRG8HENK4PX5?ref_=glimp_1rv_cl

In one of his adventures he witnesses the ritual and energetic mating of an advanced alien species (it's wild and spectacular). They actually invite him to the event while he is travelling. So, Ziewe does go far. He is a very skilled traveler. He also meticulously documents his travels and verifies them for non-locality of consciousness first, before writing them down in his journal.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2016, 05:38:37 »

Thanks for the recommendations.  I bought a couple of them from Amazon.  I'm currently reading "Far Journeys" and I find it rather confusing too. 
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2016, 07:49:51 »

If you're dead set on reading a Monroe book, skip the first two as they contain his old perspective.
"Ultimate Journeys" provides you with his most current perspective before he died.  If you read the first two books, you'll simply confuse yourself and get your locked into the usual mindtraps that most people who come here get stuck in.

In his third book you'll learn about, among other stuff, Phasing!  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2016, 19:26:08 »

I agree with Xanth's suggestion ... as available knowledge about OBE's and projection has grown significantly since Monroe's first two books.

I would add that the first half of Ultimate Journey is very left brain conceptual stuff, as Monroe tries to figure out what he is supposed to be doing (you may want to skip it, as I eventually did). The second half of the book is the adventure, exploration and travel. He even meets up with Miranon. His discoveries at the end of the book are compelling.

btw, you can find copies of Ultimate Journey for free across the Internet.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2016, 04:16:31 »

Yeah I actually found all three of them online, so I didn't have to go buy them.  Today I started reading Ultimate Journey, I only made it half way through Far Journeys because I couldn't make heads or tails of what I was reading - so confusing. 
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