Any people here who can project on demand anytime?

[todd421757]

Can any of you guys leave your body anytime you want? Not only in the morning or just before sleep, but anytime you're willing to do so? If so how long did it take you to get to this point? And how long does it take you to take off from the point of lying down and closing your eyes?

The only way I know of to be able to project at will consistently each and everyday would be to be conscious while falling asleep.

Each and every time you fall asleep, you would have to remain conscious during the act of falling asleep and let your consciousness slide out the top of your head. This would be difficult to do. I have been successful at it, but not on a consistent basis. If anyone has did this consistently, please let me know how you do it.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/possible_proof_we_have_an_obe_every_time_we_sleep-t36909.0.html

[ingerul9]

Hi everyone.

The problem lies in how you think about the issue. I think most of the problems that arise from reaching the state is by constantly shooting yourself in the foot by asking over and over if you are there yet.

You see if you read a book and you are so enthralled, engrossed in reading that's focused attention right there. You block out other sounds, you don't hear them. That's why someone might be telling you something and you don't hear. Because you are focused on the reading. It is the same with projecting. When you listen to the tape gateway first cd wave 2 many ask - am I there in Focus 10? Now if you are there why do you doubt it? Because you don't know how it should feel and you start to question yourself - because you have read some other experience and what he felt.

But everytime it says you are in Focus 10 you are already there. What the tape does is that it brings your attention so smoothly that you don't notice the fading in from outside reality to inner reality. You think you are still outside but you aren't. What the tape does also is to create some kind of anchor - when you first do the tape you have some "cues" that you have reached (for me it is my area of nose becoming really different from all of the other "points over my body" and I know I am there) and for others there are other cues. But whenever I meditate I don't reach the intent to have the area of my nose in a particular way - it's just the way it happens most of the time - even if it doesn't happen I know I am there.

Another way to put it - imagine in your head an apple - can you see it? And I don't mean to visualize it like you see in real life - in whatever way you see it trust it. Even if you have a feeling of what it should look like that's ok too. Whatever it is trust it. You will phase automatically when you generate some kind of environment and maintain your attention there.

Even Frank said that his body was in the "background". When you imagine something and then slowly create a world you go towards your attention and you generate less and less attention towards the physical. If you question yourself you automatically come back to your attention of the body and every time you do that you switch back from the imagination back to the body and you get in a loop. You shoot yourself in the foot like I say .

This is a scenario to show you this point - the tape says you are in F10 - you ask yourself am I in F10 - I don't feel like I'm in F10 - let's see if I can hear the sounds outside - and of course you hear them - then you think damn it and I was so close to reaching F10 and then you try again and you do it again.

You switch back from F10 to F1 only because of where you direct your attention. Ignore your questions of being in F10 - just assume that you are there. Assume that everything works accordingly and you will reach what you want to have in the first place.

You don't need to disconnect your awareness totally from the body - like in OBE. There were many cases in which people still felt to some degree the body and had beautiful experiences. They didn't question what was happening. They did go with the flow. Even Frank was in the same case.

But you say I want to have that experience in which I feel like I'm there (with all of my 5 senses) - and I'm telling you that the first thing you should do to reach that state is forget about your ideas of how it should be done (by constantly asking yourself if you are there yet). Forget all about what you read. Go with the flow. The more you go with the flow the more you are in that state. It's really much simpler than people think.

Again it's like imagining an apple. Can you imagine it? That's it. You are there. But you say - I'm not seeing like in the physical - well it's not physical - that's why . The more you stay in the frame of the mind that it doesn't feel like in the physical the more grounded you become in the physical - you see how you get yourself in a loop ? It's so simple that people don't believe it's that simple.

[Xanth]

Could you compile some of those videos where Campbell explains how he does it.
I would like to know how close it is to Moen's "imagination method".

If possible, state the exact part of each video clip as in for example; "07:30 - 12:15".

It's identical.
It's using the same faculties, but different metaphors.

Everyone has direct access to the wider reality at all times... the thing is though, not many people are actually trying to listen to it. 

[Lionheart]

Everyone has direct access to the wider reality at all times... the thing is though, not many people are actually trying to listen to it.  

This statement here is one of the most important things said on this site period. EVERYONE has direct access to the Wider Reality. At any time day or night you have the ability to just close your eyes and experience this. This first became noticeable to me after many Phasing techniques and showed it"s true essence while I was taking a shower. I was in my shower, I got soap in my eyes, so I closed them, to my surprise I was in a beautiful waterfall scene. I was standing at the cliffs edge and way below me was a beautiful flowing river, parallel to me on the other side of the mountainous scene were beautiful cascading waterfalls. To tell you the truth, I got kind of dizzy at first seeing this, because my toes were teetering right on the end of that cliff, I thought I might fall. It was surreal. Now that I have realized that this is possible, I close my eyes many times a day just to see what is there. I want to say though, at no time do I ever imagine a scene first. They are just there. This is one of the rewards you will find when you truly open your mind to the Wider Reality.

[Stookie_]

I agree to an extent of what's being said, but I believe you should also keep the physical experience and astral experience as 2 separate things. Don't let a meditative state come into your daily life. It's bound to eventually create an imbalance, neurosis, depression, unclear thinking, or exasperate any other existing issues. I would guess most people who are clairvoyant 24/7 have mastered their inner and outer lives independent of each other first.

Being able to focus clearly in the physical creates a more balanced and focused meditative life. I'm not knocking what anyone else said, just stating something I find important in regards to having a balanced life.

[todd421757]

I believe you should also keep the physical experience and astral experience as 2 separate things. Don't let a meditative state come into your daily life. It's bound to eventually create an imbalance, neurosis, depression, unclear thinking, or exasperate any other existing issues.

I totally agree.

[Xanth]

I agree to an extent of what's being said, but I believe you should also keep the physical experience and astral experience as 2 separate things. Don't let a meditative state come into your daily life. It's bound to eventually create an imbalance, neurosis, depression, unclear thinking, or exasperate any other existing issues. I would guess most people who are clairvoyant 24/7 have mastered their inner and outer lives independent of each other first.

Being able to focus clearly in the physical creates a more balanced and focused meditative life. I'm not knocking what anyone else said, just stating something I find important in regards to having a balanced life.

I actually disagree with this statement, and believe that the goal of everyone who meditates or wants to learn meditation should be to achieve that state of constant focus/concentration.  Learning this has clear helpful implications upon your waking, physical life.  It's not about "learning to meditate"... it's about becoming consistent and focused throughout your life, as a whole.  Physical and non-physical.

As I usually tell people in relation to astral projection... meditation shouldn't be something you "do", it should be a state of mind/consciousness that you "are".

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/adyashanti_%E2%80%93_true_meditation_series-t36399.0.html
The series of videos I linked above explain it much better than I can.  They're a long listen... but VERY worth it.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Lets not forget that you can learn a discipline too. Its a way of life. Sounds familiar Xanth?

[Xanth]

Hi,
Lets not forget that you can learn a discipline too. Its a way of life. Sounds familiar Xanth?

That's pretty much it.

Astral Projection (and yes, meditation) isn't something you pick up and do for a short period of time.  You'll get nowhere with it.
It's a lifelong venture. As Tom Campbell puts it (he has a lot of good stuff to say, btw )... take the long view... in 15 - 20 years, you'll be good at it and you'll have learned lots along the journey.  I don't pretend here... this *IS* a long journey, but one that's well worth it in the end (actually there is no end LoL).

[Stookie_]

I actually disagree with this statement, and believe that the goal of everyone who meditates or wants to learn meditation should be to achieve that state of constant focus/concentration.  Learning this has clear helpful implications upon your waking, physical life.  It's not about "learning to meditate"... it's about becoming consistent and focused throughout your life, as a whole.  Physical and non-physical.

As I usually tell people in relation to astral projection... meditation shouldn't be something you "do", it should be a state of mind/consciousness that you "are".

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/adyashanti_%E2%80%93_true_meditation_series-t36399.0.html
The series of videos I linked above explain it much better than I can.  They're a long listen... but VERY worth it.

You keep generalizing and trying to group everything under 1 simple rule when there are differences. There's a difference between being mindful and consciously shutting down your physical awareness to access the astral. You do not want to be walking around in a trance state. During your daily life, your awareness should be centered in the physical. And yes, being mindful of this is the best way to do it. That's when you're properly focusing your awareness in the physical. But you can't rely strictly on physical mindfulness for AP, you have to learn to focus away from it, and those activities should be done separately for a healthy and balanced progression.

[Xanth]

Well, all I can say is that I firmly disagree.  I don't mean to function in a trance state 24/7.  However, a trance state is a small shift of Intent away from a Mindful state.  The states aren't different or separate... everything flows naturally from one to the next, there shouldn't be any separation.
Practicing it as a way of life as such has direct benefits in all parts of ones life.  Breaking up your practices into separate physical and non-physical aspects and keeping these separate from each other, while works fine (and honestly everyone needs to start somewhere, won't take you "as far" as if you begin taking it all into your being as a whole.

[Stookie_]

Breaking up your practices into separate physical and non-physical aspects and keeping these separate from each other, while works fine (and honestly everyone needs to start somewhere, won't take you "as far" as if you begin taking it all into your being as a whole.

I'm baffled... all I can guess is you don't understand what I'm saying.

I'm not saying breaking up practices. I'm saying when you're in your daily life, you need to focus on the physical. When you meditate, you focus away from it. Be mindful during both, but the 2 shouldn't overlap, it can cause mental disturbances and other things. I only said it as a warning to people who are attempting to be able to see into the astral all day long. It's the same as taking drugs... you need to be on the level, not tranced out.

[Lionheart]

I'm not saying breaking up practices. I'm saying when you're in your daily life, you need to focus on the physical. When you meditate, you focus away from it. Be mindful during both, but the 2 shouldn't overlap, it can cause mental disturbances and other things. I only said it as a warning to people who are attempting to be able to see into the astral all day long. It's the same as taking drugs... you need to be on the level, not tranced out.

It's worked wonders for Tom Campbell. Look where he is today. The only warning I would put on it is to watch that you don't lose touch on what is Astral and what is the Physical. As long as you are mindful of this, there is no harm. People have been daydreaming for years. It's good to take "time outs" to relax and release any stress you have. Psychologists have been telling people to do this for years.

[Stookie_]

I'm talking about states of consciousness more profound than daydreaming. I'm sure Thomas Campbell does not walk around in altered states of consciousness, he works from the physical after years of practice and experience.

It's not like I'm making this stuff up, this has been advice given for a long time among many schools of meditation. But I suppose not everyone is on such a hardcore path and tread much lighter, so to each his own.

[Lionheart]

 One of Tom's many jobs is as a threat assessor for many private organizations. So, he does spend quite a bit of time in the Wider Reality. I know you aren't making this up, I have seen this written in many books and articles. But I feel they are judging their beliefs on fear. Their fear being, losing grasp on reality!