Astral Projection and Crystals....

[David Warner]

Friends,

Well, I finally initialized my crystal in the moonlight using sea salt for the last 3 days. I was lucky enough to have had the crystal a few days before the full moon in which I started.

Anyways, I've noticed in the last few days that my dream recall is getting a little better and experienced my first projection today with holding the crystal in my hand physically.

Never a less, if the crystal is helping cool but if its just a big old stone - its definitely attractive and a talk piece.

Anyone here have conducted any experiments with crystals regarding the effects on astral projection? Also, I've heard that its good to have a crystal that is for grounding and protection.. Can anyone contribute?

Tvos

[Hans Solo]

Well, I finally initialized my crystal in the moonlight using seasalt for the last 3 days. I was lucky enough to have had the crystal a few days before the full moon in which I started.

Let me guess...you've been reading lots of mystical books on AP.  Don't forget to face north under running water during the 5th moon cycle or you'll be toast!  Man, none of this is needed and soon you'll be worried that your crystal isn't charged enough and so you'll fret about this possibility while you are trying to Obe or phase and these thoughts will screw you up.  All this is mumbo jumbo old school mystical junk.  Don't get caught up in all this superstition or you'll just create limiting beliefs.

Never a less, if the crystal is helping cool but if its just a big old stone - its definitely attractive and a talk piece

True.  Good attitude

Also, I've heard that its good to have a crystal that is for grounding and protection

Protection?  From What?  I will let you in on a little secret......THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS NEGS.  Do yourself a favor and look up all you can on Focus 2 in Franks Phasing model.  When most people say the "Astral" what they mean is Focus 2.  In Focus 2 Thoughts=Reality.  So if you think you will see devils, guess what..YOU WILL.  Now, why is this.  The mystics used to think you were "out of Body" and that your thoughts draw these things to you, now we know this is not the case.  In focus 2 you are actually projecting into your subconscious mind, so you can literally make up any place and any scenario.  Read up on Franks Phasing model in the Permanent Astral Topics for a better understanding of the wider reality.

Fear is the mind killer and even BELIEVING in these things is enough to hold you back.  They truly only exist in your head.

Han

[James S]

If you don't believe in the effects of crystals Hans, then why bother commenting?

Have you ever actually experienced their possibilities? Have you ever actually made use of them and seen what they can or can't do?

Have you ever even considered the possibilities that the piezo-electric properties of quartz allows it to alter vibrational frequencies of energy fields, such as the bio-electric energy field of the human body?

Have you considered that the different colours, caused by different impurities affect the frequencies at which quartz oscillates, and that the human energy field also has varying frequencies depending on what region of the body your working with?

Have you also considered that a great many of the afflictions or conditions that we experience in out physical bodies are caused by the condition of our energy body - the life force energy that is a part of all things?

If you haven't, then all you are doing is speaking out of YOUR BELIEFS!

People have been effectively studying and using varieties of quartz crystals in healing practices for many thousands of years. It is not a technique that is in any way new to us, but it is one that has largely been ignored by modern science and medicine, though many naturopaths, many of which are fully trained and qualified general medical practitioners, have found uses for crystals in wholistic medicine.

So why don't you open up your seemingly narrow, limiting beliefs, stop  calling it mumbo-jumbo, accept the possibilities that there may be natural laws behind these things that you just don't know about yet, and maybe put a bit of time into finding out if crystals do or don't have any benefit yourself. If you're not at all interested, then please let others pursue their interest without rubishing their ideas.

In the mean-time...

the voice of silence,

Crystals to aid in astral projection are more a case of personal preference, though many varieties of quartz in the purple / violet colour range are supposed to be very helpful here.

For grounding, Hematite - a form of iron ore is very effective, or tiger-eye or smokey quartz  for something a little softer but still effective.

For protection, flourite is exceptionally good, and helps with harsh EM energies as well. There are many other stones that can be used for protection - obsidian, agate, aventurine.

Consider though that when dealing with issues of psychic protection, you want to be considering it only from a point of keeping away some of the more negative energies, esp negative emotional energies from people around you. To go much further down the path of psychic protection means you could end up becoming your own worst worst enemy by manifesting negativities through your own fears.

Treat psychic protection as something akin to puting on insect repellant - be aware of it, do something about it if you feel the need, then relax and have confidence that what you've done will help. The old "prevention is better than cure" thing works well here, and the best form of prevention is to keep yourself in a positive frame of mind. Think of it as the light dispelling the dark.

Blessings,
James.

[Hans Solo]

If you don't believe in the effects of crystals Hans, then why bother commenting

My beliefs are just as valid as yours.  You didn't tell him you were a crystal healer. So, now he gets both sides of the issue.  Crystalline structures, such as crystals, do have special properties with energy.  Thus, this is why we use silicone in computers.  Hell, even Atlantis had the "Great Crystal" which powered everything and was used in their "death ray".

People have been effectively studying and using varieties of quartz crystals in healing practices for many thousands of years. It is not a technique that is in any way new to us, but it is one that has largely been ignored by modern science and medicine, though many naturopaths, many of which are fully trained and qualified general medical practitioners, have found uses for crystals in wholistic medicine

They also ate goat gonads and tiger penises too, but that doesn't mean it works!  

Crystals to aid in astral projection are more a case of personal preference, though many varieties of quartz in the purple / violet colour range are supposed to be very helpful here.

Lets see if even the New Age community can agree on this: (these are "ap"stones, or listed as such)

http://thunderwolfsrealm.com/BOS/crystals1.html
1.Apophyllite, color=clearish green
2.Hermatite, color=black/maroon
3.lolite, color=purple

http://www.aznewage.com/crystals.htm
1.azurite, color= blue with green swirls (vice versa)
2.Hermaitie, color=black
3.Silver, color=silver (aligns astral +physical bodies.....WHAT?!!)

http://www.crystalbalance.com/InfoAZ.asp
1.Agate Natural, color=Orange/Green
2.Angelite, color=Powder blue
3.Bismuth, color=blueish,greenish (the color when oil is mixed with water)
4.Calcite Mangano, color=milky, to milky pink

Wow! A virtual kaleidoscope of colors and rocks will help you with astral travel.  However, this is only half of the story.  Whenever a rock was listen on multiple sites, guess what, the different sites had TOTALLY different description of what it does!  One has to conclude that this has to do with the placebo effect if not New Age mumbo Jumbo/fraud.(keep'em buying/chasing for that magical stone which will rocket them in to the "Astral").

Oh, and almost EVERY stone (or at least half) seem to help with protection, must be a lot of scared New Agers running around.

just my opinion, could be wrong,
Han

Ps. Penn&Teller: Email me for show ideas.

[David Warner]

Hans,

How long have you been involved with projecting and experiences?

Tvos

[Hans Solo]

Probably about a year and a half.  The only reason I posted this is because in the beginning I was the same as most people on this board.  Trying to find that magical something that will shoot me into the astral.  I spend a lot of money and nothing seemed to work, and yes I even bought crystals and the like.

I was so scared of negs that I had trouble falling asleep and when I would go into deep trance and would here voices or pops it would really freak me out.  This fear is the sole reason I had trouble projecting.

The reason I refer to Frank's Post so often is because this is the information that pulled me out of this stagnate cycle.  I guess it is a kin to telling all your friends how awesome a movie is and that they HAVE to see it!

James S-  I am open to the possibility that crystals work.   In fact, I hope they do, I love to see alternative medicine gaining footholds in modern medicine.  All I was saying is that this most likely won't be the magic bullet that shoots people into the astral, and that they should probably save their money if they are on a tight budget.  You have most Definitely seen results using crystals in healing and I don't doubt this claim.  I was referring more on the AP level of things.  Sorry chap.

Han

[Heather B.]

A friend of mine who has had about 5 years of AP experience recommended a bismuth crystal.  It's said to have the properties of easing astral projection, as well as easing feelings of loneliness.  I bought one fairly inexpensively.  It is very beautiful--a whole rainbow spectrum of colors, and very intricate shapes.  I think it has boosted the clarity of my dreams a bit.  I had begun to have APs before I got the crystal.  I haven't noticed any change in quantity or quality.  Not yet, at least.  But like you say, it is a very gorgeous, fascinating object!

[David Warner]

Hans,

That's what I thought about your limited projections... try 17yrs and having over thousands of projections and then come back to me and say there's nothing to fear...    "You will be afraid!"

Have you ever read CW.Ledbetter, Blavatsky, Egyptian Hermetics, Muldoon and Carrington, Castaneda, Fox? - These authors are definitely not "new age".  


Anyways, like you I found out that it comes within to project and the true desire to succeed. I'm a analytical thinker and scientist with astral projection. I like to try and test different methods it being crystals, ganzfield effect, trance method induced by sound. But the one that gets me out all the time is the hypnogogic state.

I did purchase a crystal a few weeks ago and its beautiful! If anything its actually kinda of sexy and my wife thinks so too..

But the true nature of projecting - everyone has their method. What works for one doesn't mean it will work for the other.

After all these years I still think I'm a novice at ap and still have a long way to go. I never cut people down for their beliefs, actions, or words for what they practice. I like helping others and sharing my experiences so they can learn and vice versa.

Just food for thought...

Tvos

[Hans Solo]

That's what I thought about your limited projections... try 17yrs and having over thousands of projections and then come back to me and say there's nothing to fear... "You will be afraid

I think you misunderstood me.  I believe (not really "believe" but whatever) in Franks theory on Focus 2 and the "Astral".  Focus 2 is within you and not outside, so therefore "negs" are thought creation and can not harm you.  I too have been the "Astral Warrior" killing all negs in sight and being afraid "sh*tless", untill I read Frank's theory.  Now, its not even an issue.

Believe whatever you want, however I believe real progress is in Focus 3 and Focus 4.  Unless, you want to change subconscious belief structures in focus 2 (which is what I am working on).

17 years--congrats!  I love trying to push all you natural projectors into Focus 3, so everyone can get more knowledge.


If you have time read up on this.  Try the slats method, I am interested to hear your results.  PM me if you can.  I want to hear your Focus3 experiences and I think this post will allow you to go there.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18538&highlight=f2+f3


Han

[James S]

James S-  I am open to the possibility that crystals work.   In fact, I hope they do, I love to see alternative medicine gaining footholds in modern medicine.  All I was saying is that this most likely won't be the magic bullet that shoots people into the astral, and that they should probably save their money if they are on a tight budget.  You have most Definitely seen results using crystals in healing and I don't doubt this claim.  I was referring more on the AP level of things.  Sorry chap.

Han

No problems Han.
Thank you for your thoughts here, I really appreciate them. Now I can see you're not just dissing the whole crystal thing, I'm sorry if I considered your thoughts narrow minded, I can see where you're coming from now.

Where it comes to a lot of the crystal and "new-age" sites on the internet, I tend to be rather sceptical, because many of them are just out to sell something. I have two reference guides for crystals - Judy Hall's "The Crystal Bible", and Melody's "Love Is In The Earth  - a Kaleidoscope of Crystals" - possibly one of the largest and most comprehensive crystal guides around. These books are great - they're not trying to sell you on anything (other than buying the book itsself), so I  pay more attention to them.

I agree very much that crystals aren't a magic bullet. Funny you should use that phrase - that's exactly what my reiki master said when I attended her crystal healing course last year. Crystals work on the energy body, therefore they tend to have very subtle effects. You can sometimes get a very pronounced effects, but not often.

If you ever meet someone who tries to sell crystals as being some kind of magic cure, or they say it will definitely do this or that, just nod your head, turn around, and walk, or run, far away from them!

You're right in noting that there's so many crystals around of different types that are reported to do the same thing. Very simple answer here - what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. The makeup of our energy bodies are as individual as we are.

For instance, my wife has a different approach to chosing crystals for personal use to most - she doesn't care about what they're supposed to do. She sets firmly in mind what she wants from the crystal, goes up to a collection of crystals, closes her eyes, and feels for the right one, which will usually draw her to it like a magnet. More often than not, we'll look up it's properties after, and she'll have made exactly the right choice. Chances are also that it will be different to one I'd have chosen for the same thing.

It's all so much about personal preference, what works with you. There will always be some common grounds, but still, I always advocate going and trying for yourself.

Blessings,
James.

[David Warner]

James,

I just purchased a amethyst and quartz crystal a few weeks ago. I've noticed a increased in dream recall, physical thoughts, objectives carrying over into my dreamllife - which is good.

My question to you is this. Does it hurt to have one or more crystal at a time or should I only use the one I'm wearing now around my neck? Some people have told me that I need a grounding and protection crystal when I project. So far I've been doing this for 17yrs and never really had the need for one. Always found my way back and called on God for sticky situations.

Please advise and Thank You for the info. you talked about earlier in this thread.

Tvos

[Ben K]

The human mind is an extraordinary thing. If you can take an objective item like crystals and have it actually help your projection, go for it! But like Han said, we already have all the tools we need to develop this skill. Also, keep in mind that nothing is free, and this applies even to things like a.p. crystals. Watch out for tricky side effects.

voice of silence - You talk like 17 years of experience means something. Sure you can astral project, good for you, but that doesnt mean that you understand the mechanics any more than Han and Frank do. If anything, that amount of experience is a DISadvantage because of all the habits and "mind-rubbish" you come across- like negs. 17 years in the grand scope of things is nothing. Im guessing you were one of those people who either learned all of this on your own or became involved in something "occult". Once you can learn to let go of all the b.s. like han, frank, myself and others, you will have a much more rewarding experience.

Or dont, its up to you. Im not going to tell you how to do this kind of thing.

[David Warner]

Ben,

I do appreciate the info about the crystals - what side effects are you talking about?

Secondly, you are right about the 17yrs - its a long road for projecting and I do agree with you on alot of what you say. To me its not how many times one projects, but its the quality and what is being learned. I know it sounds like sometimes I come off the man with the experience, but it actuality I still consider myself a novice.

I came across AP back in 1988 who a friend introduced me and I started reading up on it. I pursued it whole heatedly with fire and conviction to see if it was real or not. I did get my answer within less then two months. After that, I tried different methods to see how I was getting out- pyramids, crystals, food, exercise, etc...etc.. But after awhile when I became fluid and I realized it was just 'me' doing all the work.

I do believe to a degree that alot of what I mentioned earlier did help along the way with practice, but it was the work being put fourth that gave me the success. I never followed any kinda of occult, new age or anything of the sorts. Before 1988 I had exp. projections but on a quick small scale and never payed attention. Also, it was the feelings behind it that I did project that it started to come to me.

I've had my exposure to entities, some pleasant and some I wish not to remember. But I do realize and understand in my experience that I'm shown things for reasons.  What kinda of b.s. would you say that I need to let go off?

Please be more specific.

Tvos

[Ben K]

Well ive never used crystals myself so i couldnt answer that- im just saying that everything comes at a price so while the short term may benefit from the crystals, there could be some unknown side effects that you would never expect. Just keep your eyes open is all

As for the b.s.- i simply mean any limiting or negative beliefs that you might have. I used negs as an example- il keep that going.

When you project into F2- and im assuming that this is where you have had most of your experiences- you are actually projecting within YOURSELF. So any negs you come across are actually seperations of consciousness that YOU created. Next time you project you can play around with this.

Just think about a monster or something. Soon enough, and i mean soon, you will be face to face with your creation. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS CREATION AND WHAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY CALL "negative entities". We naturally fear the unknown. This is why so many people who practice astral projection face so many "negs"- they dont know what they are doing! In an environment where THOUGHT = ACTION, of COURSE you are gonna come across some creepy sh*t! and i dont blame you, having to practice A.P. by oneself in todays scientific world would probably suck! Luckily we have the internet where you can learn about all the UNKNOWNS

Anyway thats just one example. Just dont limit your beliefs, keep in mind that YOU CANNOT BE HARMED in any way, and you should be fine

[David Warner]

Ben,

Anything in life comes with a price - if its losing weight, studying for a test, learning how to drive a car. What are the side effects and will it hurt me or propell me? What are the causes of effect, are there any dangers involved etc...

On a percentage of experiences, I would pro bally say that 95% of my experiences are positive, beautiful, breathtaking and enjoyable. The other 5% its inevitable where you will come across entities that are bad and mean harm. I've been in some real tough heart thumping situations
where I never thought I would be back. I've had starred the monster in the face as it said to me "take my hand and be a part of us" and have been attacked. But I am still here!

My question to you is this - I was just listening to audio interviews with Robert the Bruce (gotta love the name). He states that people who are under psychic attacks as like him or he's helped. Do you think they are making all that up?

Tvos