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« on: October 02, 2017, 17:11:24 »

Well... I am back on the AP train as of about two weeks ago.

Nothing exciting to mention so far! Which is why I am creating this post.

Possibly someone can help out here and has experienced this. I started about 10-12 months ago practicing AP. Off the start I had lots of new experiences and it looked as if I was making progress almost 3 - 4 times a week. Then one day it just stopped!

I took a break for about 3 - 4 months, now and just had a feeling I needed to get back on the practice routine. This is where I could use some advise / guidance.

Back when I first started, I was trying all these different techniques and mantras, it seems that I would always see a little progress or experience new NP sensations.

After a couple months is seemed these experience were really far apart to the point where it just quit all together.

Now that I am back at it, I am getting the same thing. Very little positive feedback in the process, as in, not much progress forward.

I know its probably me and what I am doing, or not doing. But I would just like to see that I am on the right track.

Maybe I need to try and ask a guide for help?
How would I do this?
Should I do this?

I'm at a loss here and don't know how to move forward.... Do I want this to much? Possibly overthinking and making it way more complicated than it needs to be?
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2017, 17:46:06 »

Maybe one reason for having less success lately is the difference in motivation between when you started and now. If you make clear plans, in which you put a lot of desire, hope, curiosity, those will help you go over the hump.

The other avenue would be to move to a different approach to projecting like Monroe's hemi-sync, Frank Kepple's phasing, self-hypnosis, lucid dreaming, etc..
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 17:54:40 »

Maybe one reason for having less success lately is the difference in motivation between when you started and now. If you make clear plans, in which you put a lot of desire, hope, curiosity, those will help you go over the hump.

The other avenue would be to move to a different approach to projecting like Monroe's hemi-sync, Frank Kepple's phasing, self-hypnosis, lucid dreaming, etc..

What do you mean by difference in motivation?

I want to experience a full separation sooo bad, but maybe I need to shift my focus?
Maybe I am wanting it to bad??? 
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 19:35:56 »

What do you mean by difference in motivation?

I want to experience a full separation sooo bad, but maybe I need to shift my focus?
Maybe I am wanting it to bad??? 
For instance, when I started reading about astral projection, and when I had my first projections after I read William Buhlman's first book, I was strongly motivated to find out if there is something after death.

I think that just curiosity, or desire to learn a trick, might not be motivating enough anymore for your subconscious to make the leap. They were in the beginning, but now you might need to work toward a higher goal in order to progress.

Astral projection, is a tool, a mean toward something else.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2017, 20:08:45 »

For instance, when I started reading about astral projection, and when I had my first projections after I read William Buhlman's first book, I was strongly motivated to find out if there is something after death.

I think that just curiosity, or desire to learn a trick, might not be motivating enough anymore for your subconscious to make the leap. They were in the beginning, but now you might need to work toward a higher goal in order to progress.

Astral projection, is a tool, a mean toward something else.

That makes somewhat sense. I need to be more specific then just, What new sensations can I experience tonight?

LOL.... How do I do this? I don't know what I should be putting my energy towards.

For example  a mantra... "I will have a full separation" or something like "I will go out of body"??
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2017, 20:21:30 »

That makes somewhat sense. I need to be more specific then just, What new sensations can I experience tonight?

LOL.... How do I do this? I don't know what I should be putting my energy towards.

For example  a mantra... "I will have a full separation" or something like "I will go out of body"??
I suggest you ask yourself: "if I could project at will, what would I want to do with this skill?". Then work at acquiring the projection skill with the loftier goal in mind!
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2017, 22:31:14 »

I'm pretty new to AP but I was able to project twice in one night. Check out my thread right before yours titled "why do my hands move and hover" or something along those lines. I had been trying for 5 or 6 days without any success before I finally accomplished a total separation.

As you're laying there, tell yourself "i'm going to slow down my breathing". You should feel a clear change in cardiac rhythm, facilitating the relaxation process.  After that you need to do your best to keep your body in a relaxed state. Your eyes are closed, peering through the darkness. My face will become still, my mouth opens wide similar to how people look when they're being abducted. My comcentration becomes so intense that I stop swallowing.  At this stage you can use from what I understand is called a "mantra".

I say "where there's darkness there's light". During this time i'm already vibrating like crazy. In other words I feel like a ball of energy.

Here's a little trick,sure it's hit or miss but it does work. Intentionally fall asleep and attempt to snap out of it. If successful, upon regaining mental awareness you'll be in a deeper state of trance.

What happens after this stage for me is ( remember i'm not imagining anything just getting lost in the darness) is I start to see. Once the darkness is gone, you can see. Now there's the ultimate step "complete separation".

For me, during the 2nd attempt, I simply extended my right arm as if I was going to roll out of bed. That's when I begin sinking, feels incredible. From there you have the sensation of being sucked into something and slingshotted out.

The noise you hear while being teleported is indescribable. Boom projection takes place

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2017, 19:37:31 »

I'm at a loss here and don't know how to move forward.... Do I want this to much? Possibly overthinking and making it way more complicated than it needs to be?

You might want it too much. That is a barrier. The reasons you want it can also be a barrier. I feel like it is possible to brute force your way into a projection experience, by inducing sleep paralysis for instance, but it takes a very long time. Projection should be easy and quick and with the right motivation and state of mind it will be. I suspect that when our motivations pander to the ego we self-deny the experiences. Sexual fantasies or having a roller coaster ride in mind is likely to hinder, even after projecting successfully this kind of intent will limit the systems you are permitted to visit and thus limit the benefits.

What if you knew that when you projected it would not be a lucid experience, you would be at the mercy of the scenario, whatever you are given and would act from your core being? Not as exciting anymore, but honest and detached from a specific outcome.

I am going to suggest a modification to your approach that is centered around a kind of ego training. Start mentally priming the concept that you are not your body. Your natural state is one of mental experience only. If you can genuinely get more interested and comfortable being withdrawn consciousness it will be easier. You don't need to succeed in projecting to practice this, it doesn't take long sessions and can be done whenever you have some free moments. Getting grounded in the process rather than the outcome might help. Good luck.

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2017, 04:55:52 »

We discussed this a bit back in March; I withheld several ideas back then, not wanting to confuse the issue. Since your predicament remains, I will now offer them.

1- You have never mentioned a Dream Journal or your efforts to remember your dreams. This is a key component of initial NP awareness and a basic method for its development. If you are not putting in the time and effort to do this, then this could be a significant reason for lack of progress.

2- Communication to our Inner Selves - It may be that we have to reassure our relative safety to our subconscious self in order to gain a kind of 'permission'; it may also require a request to our higher self for a kind of permission to go exploring in the Non-Physical Realms. This can be simply done with nightly statements or short mantras 'asking for permission' or 'granting ourselves permission'...the individual language may be slightly different for each of us; we just have to explore this in our own unique ways.

3- A fundamental requirement MAY BE that at some initial point, we dedicate our spiritual education and evolution to the 'betterment of Mankind' or the idea of 'SERVICE' to our fellow sentient beings...

So, if your 'true' intent is just to experience the NP and OBE as a form of entertainment, a cool thing, a way to impress your friends, or a method to personal power, ie some selfish reason...then you will likely not be assisted, maybe even resisted by those on the other side.

I have read from many others and my own experience has confirmed that, at some point, an open and sincere declaration of my willingness to be part of, and to contribute to the progress of our general spiritual welfare is a proper and necessary thing.

This has to be sincere. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2017, 18:45:57 »

We discussed this a bit back in March; I withheld several ideas back then, not wanting to confuse the issue. Since your predicament remains, I will now offer them.

1- You have never mentioned a Dream Journal or your efforts to remember your dreams. This is a key component of initial NP awareness and a basic method for its development. If you are not putting in the time and effort to do this, then this could be a significant reason for lack of progress.

2- Communication to our Inner Selves - It may be that we have to reassure our relative safety to our subconscious self in order to gain a kind of 'permission'; it may also require a request to our higher self for a kind of permission to go exploring in the Non-Physical Realms. This can be simply done with nightly statements or short mantras 'asking for permission' or 'granting ourselves permission'...the individual language may be slightly different for each of us; we just have to explore this in our own unique ways.

3- A fundamental requirement MAY BE that at some initial point, we dedicate our spiritual education and evolution to the 'betterment of Mankind' or the idea of 'SERVICE' to our fellow sentient beings...

So, if your 'true' intent is just to experience the NP and OBE as a form of entertainment, a cool thing, a way to impress your friends, or a method to personal power, ie some selfish reason...then you will likely not be assisted, maybe even resisted by those on the other side.

I have read from many others and my own experience has confirmed that, at some point, an open and sincere declaration of my willingness to be part of, and to contribute to the progress of our general spiritual welfare is a proper and necessary thing.

This has to be sincere. 



EscapeVelocity, Thank you again for your detailed write-ups. I do appreciate the time you put in to responses and always hope I end up seeing a post from you in my treads.

In regards to the dream journal... I do keep one but most days I can only write "Do not recall and dreams that took place. I shall recall more detail tomorrow night".

I did not see the need to reference this as it seems to be little instances where I may recall a small part of a dream. Now that it has been brought up.... Should I be doing something different?

The reason I have for learning this amazing skill would be 90% internal, as in, to better my self and gain knowledge that I have not been subject to my entire life. The other 10% would be strictly fun! Lets face it, who would not want to fly around the globe of visit parts of the ocean that have not been experienced on this physical plane and so on, and so on.

 grin grin On an upside I did nave somewhat of an experience last nit in which I was able to experience some hypnogogic imagery (which is always fun),as well as, I seemed to have this "Static" type noise in both of my ears that seemed to go up an down in intensity/volume. After some time the right ear stayed the same but there was some change in the left. The left seemed to change to some kind of pulsing / swooshing type nose. grin grin

Dose not seem like much, but compared to the last 4 weeks I was pretty thrilled to see something. After that the visions and noises seemed to fade and I figured I was done and went to bed.

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2017, 05:22:35 »

SCHMUSTIN, you are quite welcome! Thank you for the kind words and I am gratified that some of what I can share may be of benefit to your endeavors.

Okay, so you are continuing to set your 'intent' for dream recall and keeping a journal when appropriate; that is all good.

They do let you fly around and have fun for awhile...but eventually they do expect you to settle down and get to work for the 'greater community', at least that was MY take on it.

Another aspect to consider is the fact that you do have a family to take care of, and presumably, a day job. These should be your over-riding priorities and will necessarily re-schedule your NP activities. The key is in finding a balance.

When I read back over your earlier posts, it is clear that you have experienced a broad spectrum of hypnogogic and 'exit' sensations. Whether you recognize it now or sometime later, this is a great wealth of information and experience that you now already have. It does appear to be relatively normal that many people at this point hit a roadblock of sorts and a scarcity of experiences. That does happen from time to time. The reasons could be many, and some have been discussed. I hit similar roadblocks of nearly a year, at times; just a bit frustrating...

Part of these delays may have to do with a kind of 'internal processing' that needs to take place. At times, I have experienced evidence of that, other times I am still left wondering...

If your 'true intent' is 90% soul development and 10% fun, then I really have no argument with that and I don't think that the NP is any stricter than that; after all they apparently enjoy enough good jokes at my expense, it seems lol! One rule of the NP appears to be a good appreciation for irony and puns...

After all, what is good about an infinite universe without room for a few good puns, jokes and ironic plot twists?

Another thought: Alcohol and drugs will kill or distort any possible experience, so stay away if you can; if not, then don't be surprised at the lack...

Just to clarify- When you do a short mantra or an affirmation; it should be present tense and declarative, no negative words allowed. No 'can't, won't, will not...', also nothing in the future tense- 'I will, I should...' your subconscious operates like a very basic computer and responds best to 'present tense' clear orders...nothing complex, just simple statements...

Also, you might need to let go the idea of having a direct, conscious projection for now. I tried unsuccessfully for 20 years to do that. I eventually realized that my initial successes were after short periods of sleep after giving myself affirmations/instructions. The direct projections only occurred later, and still somewhat inconsistently...
So after giving yourself instructions, let yourself fall asleep and expect those 'lucid, wake-up' experiences. Don't agitate, don't aggravate...just 'set your intent' and go to sleep...when the time is right, your 'higher self' will reward you with the appropriate experience. Trust in that.

A good default affirmation: "Please grant me the next experience that will benefit my spiritual growth."

Hope this helps.

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