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« on: March 25, 2016, 02:00:15 »

Yesterday (the 23rd of March) I did instructions from a book I read on ap. It says the three main steps are 1. physical relaxation to the point of feeling not having a body. 2. Silencing the mind. 3. Projection exit technique.

I relaxed my body just as step 1 says. As I was doing this I made my body feel like a statue. For step 2 I said in my head "mind awake body asleep". Then the vibrations came and I experienced them after this nothing happened.

What do I do to get past the vibration stage and to the point of my astral body exiting my physical body?

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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2016, 02:22:38 »

What happened to number 3, the exit technique.   Did you try an ap technique to get out.    You do not have to do an ap technique.   You can still ap and do nothing.   To do this your mind has to be relaxed.   Forget the sensation you are getting as that may stop you from getting out.   It did with me.   
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2016, 07:49:57 »

I'm going to try to do the Monroe technique as the exit technique.

I tried doing another technique but it was too confusing / didn't work.

I'll post what happened.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2016, 09:04:52 »

Luffy28,

I applaud you in your dedication to exploring this technique and making numerous attempts to make it work; in my case, I did the same thing, but I ran into eventual frustration and never made the transition until I gave up one night, fell asleep for a short time and then actually came aware 'within' the Mind Awake/Body Asleep state. It was only then that I realized how far off the mark my earlier attempts had been. MABA literally means what it says, and only when you are 'in' that mind state will you understand the difference. Your body is totally asleep (in my case snoring) and your mind is incredibly free to do what it wishes. Maybe it is just that simple that some of us can more easily achieve the state and others cannot; it certainly was not easy for me.

The night this happened for me, I was able to make several 'etheric' exits and a couple 'phasing' exits, very different experiences. Most important was the result that I got a clear idea of the 'feel' or difference between the various experiences. Now, I simply look for the appropriate opportunities when I take a nap or awaken in the middle of the night or early morning. Some of these times the transition can happen with ridiculous ease.

What I am saying is not to discount any of what you have experienced, even the seemingly unsuccessful attempts; on the contrary, I think this is all good and necessary training and it will pay off for you at some point.

The next technique you might try is to work an exit tech for awhile and then simply go to sleep with the intention of what you want to occur. Set the intention and let your subconscious do its work.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2016, 14:11:58 »

You are focusing on technique and vibrations. Don't even think about it. Focus on where you want to go. You may or may not have vibrations. I only get vibrations when I'm channeling. never with AP
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2016, 02:09:55 »

Luffy28,

I applaud you in your dedication to exploring this technique and making numerous attempts to make it work; in my case, I did the same thing, but I ran into eventual frustration and never made the transition until I gave up one night, fell asleep for a short time and then actually came aware 'within' the Mind Awake/Body Asleep state. It was only then that I realized how far off the mark my earlier attempts had been. MABA literally means what it says, and only when you are 'in' that mind state will you understand the difference. Your body is totally asleep (in my case snoring) and your mind is incredibly free to do what it wishes. Maybe it is just that simple that some of us can more easily achieve the state and others cannot; it certainly was not easy for me.

The night this happened for me, I was able to make several 'etheric' exits and a couple 'phasing' exits, very different experiences. Most important was the result that I got a clear idea of the 'feel' or difference between the various experiences. Now, I simply look for the appropriate opportunities when I take a nap or awaken in the middle of the night or early morning. Some of these times the transition can happen with ridiculous ease.

What I am saying is not to discount any of what you have experienced, even the seemingly unsuccessful attempts; on the contrary, I think this is all good and necessary training and it will pay off for you at some point.

The next technique you might try is to work an exit tech for awhile and then simply go to sleep with the intention of what you want to occur. Set the intention and let your subconscious do its work.

I thought the MABS phase was when the body is very comfortable and the mind is super awake. I've been doing meditation type attempts with binural beats and have gotten to / in the vibration stage by imagining being in another place. Me imaging being in another place is how I get into the vibration stage. The last time I did it I tried getting up and nothing happened. It felt like my physical body was going forward but I couldn't tell if it was my actual body or my astral body. I've done it less than ten times and I've already got to the vibration stage. The last time I did it was three attempts in one day. By the second or third attempt I was barely thinking any thoughts. I'm going to try meditation on the side even thought I already have step 2 silencing the mind already mastered by saying a mantra, focusing on a quote / idea or a person / picture.

I also tried the Monroe technique while doing a meditation type exercise. Accept I was lying on my back. I physically relaxed myself, then I silenced my mind by focusing on a mantra. Finally I got into the vibration state by recalling a view from a couch of mine. Once I got into the vibration state from my head to my stomach. And a little bit on the bottom half of my body was shaking. I tried to exit my body but it felt like my physical body was moving.

Is the physical body feeling like moving a sign that the astral body is going to project ?

Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2016, 04:28:03 »

Today I tried to meditate / ap. I physically relaxed myself, then I went into a light trance state saying MABS. Then I visualized my chair view which got the vibrations starting. I tried saying / visualizing a door in my house by saying "door now". After this I did a mental rundown of my town. I then had a feeling that I was mentally in my town (like a vivid daydream but very active) while my upper body was physically moving. I sensed (or what it felt like) a second energy body was trying to come out. Also during the trance / meditation it felt like my right hand went up.

What does it feel like when the astral body separates after / during the vibrations?

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2016, 09:03:39 »

You asked, "What does it feel like when the astral (etheric) body separates after/during the vibrations?"

In your last three posts, you have already described the basic feelings; you are very close to an exit. These are all pre-exit energy sensations that you have experienced.

With that said, we are all somewhat different in how we first learn to experience the Non-Physical Realms and it has been my experience that many of us can require several, if not many, partial energizations that are just short of an actual separation to slowly acclimate ourself and work our way up to a complete separation.

I like your description of how you naturally moved from a light trance state into a directed visualization of a doorway and then to a mental rundown. What worked for me was a simple, rhythmic, physical exercise that was very simple: bouncing on a trampoline, dance, ballet, snow-skiing some moguls, motocross, para-sailing, snow-boarding...anything physical and rhythmic that might engage your interest. This activity can be visualized at first, but if the process works, then it takes on a life of it's own and continues without your participation...if you get to this point then just sit back and enjoy the process and either step out non-physically or experience a direct shift into a new environment which would be a Phasing.

This first jump into the NP you have to work out for yourself; no one can do it for you.

And this won't be the only time this rule applies; I can attest to that...

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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2016, 00:19:06 »

Thank you,

But on average how long would it take to exit the body?

Depending on the binural beats I use it takes me mostly 10 to 15 minutes to get into a trance. Then into the vibrational stage. After this I usually get fed up waiting and then I usually just quit.

Also when I had the feeling of the second body. My upper physical body moved like a rocking chair and it ended up being painful.

Can anyone give me advice from their perspective teaching others?

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2016, 11:03:05 »

How long does it take on average?

There are not enough participants, there is no mass collection of data among experienced projectors, the individual experiences vary too much for qualitative much less quantitative interpretation...thus, there is no average to be found.

In other words, I'm not aware of any study that might answer your question; therefore, the answer is that it takes as long as it takes.

As I have tried to indicate before: if what you are currently doing is unsuccessful except in creating frustration, then you should consider modifying your approach, and I have tried to give some ideas.
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2016, 23:11:13 »

I tried yesterday before a nap to do the technique under the "first time I separated" sticky.

Every time I've done this in the past (trying to keep my consciousness awake enough for the body to go asleep) my mind/body return to an awake state.

When I did it yesterday my mind was a little bit awake. The only reason I don't do it is because I have school almost everyday except Saturday and Sunday.

Anyone can give me advice for how they did it this way.

I'm also going to read that whole forum when I have a chance.

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2016, 04:07:56 »

therefore, the answer is that it takes as long as it takes.
Sometimes the easiest answers are the hardest to swallow, per say!

 Simple and right to the point. Another great answer brought to you by EV!  smiley
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2016, 04:10:41 »

I'm also going to read that whole forum when I have a chance.
That's a great place to start! All of the "stickies" here on the Astral Pulse Forum have valuable information for learning and understanding this Art in general.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2016, 06:34:57 »

I read through the entire forum (the one called "I got out for the first time") and I wanted to ask should I ask my question here? Or there?

I didn't read every post, but some of the posts might have been talking about doing ap/obe without going to sleep or from awakening.

I think I might ask on that forum instead of this one.

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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2016, 06:58:34 »

I read through the entire forum (the one called "I got out for the first time") and I wanted to ask should I ask my question here? Or there?

I didn't read every post, but some of the posts might have been talking about doing ap/obe without going to sleep or from awakening.

I think I might ask on that forum instead of this one.

Thanks for any replies.
That's not necessarily a forum per say. That's a thread in a subforum. The Astral Pulse entire site is known as a forum.

 But besides that, there isn't that many posts there. You should read all the posts in a thread. One of the questions you have might just be answered there already. Actually that's more likely than not.  wink
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2016, 04:53:45 »

I tried doing the technique last night. Nothing happened. Every-time I tried doing it I ended up either waking my body up, or waking up both my mind and body. I'm going to try it again tonight.
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2016, 16:45:26 »

When you feel no body you're in a sort of blankness with thoughts being the only sense you have. This is the time when you can picture something like in Lumazas doorway topic. This will become real and following the instructions will pay off. It's not easy projecting for the first time from a concious state at bedtime. It's easier to sleep and on waking don't move at all, just do the doorway exercise. You're 4 times more likely to be successful.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2016, 02:43:05 »

Are there any good books on Ap and meditation or any good articles online about meditation and Ap?

I've heard that doing meditation a lot can make a person more likely to astral project.

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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2016, 05:19:24 »

A good question. I would be interested as well.

I haven't read a book on the traditional forms of meditation in many years, so someone else may have better recommendations. Any of the classic forms are beneficial- pure silence, pure emptiness, oneness, wholeness, passive, active, etc.

However, if your intended goal is to utilize meditation to assist in achieving an OBE, then I would suggest the active forms of meditation/visualization that are offered in a book such as Kurt Leland's, The Multidimensional Human.

If I had to throw away all my other books, it would be to keep this one. It provides a workable system which identifies and explains the Non-Physical senses that need to be understood and developed, and gives practical meditation/visualization exercises to develop these senses. These are not just theory; I can say that they work from my own experience and that his writings encompass more of what I have dealt with- the good, the bad, the ugly and the difficult...better than any of the hundred other books I have read. It doesn't pretend to be the "be all, end all, final say" on NP experience, in fact he is the first to say that this is just a provisional working system...my point being that it works...

I wish that I had this book forty years ago; I know that I shall still be referring to it twenty years from now, should I live that long, Lol...



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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2016, 06:21:20 »

Can someone explain what this means?

I'm reading this book and can't understand the exercise for chapter 6.

Thanks.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/chap06.html
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2016, 08:05:04 »

luffy28,

As far as i know for some people things like (Vibrations) is a trick to get out an Exit Sign , just look at this as some of the tricks, it's like the ways to the door are many but the door it self is only one. You can give a look at this pin post also : http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

The exercise it self explains how can you raise/get the vibration stage to use it as "getting out", if you don't understand what was written i will try to explain it by my words ( i am not good at this also lol )

1) You have imagine that u are seperated from the body (it's more likely visualtion creating illusion that u are somewhere else)
2) In somewhere else the author means inside your body ( imagine body as a egg like you aren't egg you are what's inside the egg)
3) The visualisation imagine your "astral" body starting to vibrate at high pitch, increase them make them move faster, more like how to say fast motion, let them mix with each other(we all can imagine this differently, find what kind of visualistation works best for you) the image is like how to say imagine like energetic waves, try to hear them feel them.


Note : If something i wrote is incorrect/not logical please correct me so i won't spread the disinformation
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2016, 02:55:21 »

Hi,
I'm trying a little mediation / trance work / conscious obe exit work (while still trying obe4u techniques) and need an interpretation of this technique.

It's called point shift awareness and it's from this book

https://fringechan.org/fringe/src/1466551998498-0.pdf

It's the last technique.

What I mean is I need to know what it means when it says imagining from the astral bodys view.

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2016, 17:53:45 »

I totally understand the question. What I did, i listened to a few binary beats vids one day while surfing the web. The one i was listening to had a short quiet chime, then a louder one that would come about every minute or so.

So when I was laying down taking a  peaceful nap, i felt it coming on. And for some reason, i heard that louder chime from the vid. I intensified it somehow ( now im purposely relaxed and i gave in to whatever was going to happen.)

But i rode that sound in, and i was in. My ears ring anyway so it wasnt that hard.
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2016, 03:02:41 »

I've been reading a book called "The Llewellyn Practical Guide to Astral Projection The Out-of -Body Experience" and it's alright pretty far.

I've been doing rhymetic breath and formula one and formula one is pretty good.

Also do I have to have good health (vegan) in order to succeed?

I need help understanding this technique from pg 99 - 103

"Here, then, is the technique:
The place and the time should be those you have
chosen for your projection work. You should not be
wearing any tightly-fitting article of clothing: nudity,
or a single loose garment, are the best options.
Neither should you have eaten within the hour:
digesting a meal is, in itself, a work for the attention
of your instinctual level of being, and if you divide
that attention both your projection endeavors and
your digestion are likely to suffer.
You stand erect in the Wand Posture, take up the
Rhythmic Breath, and when this is established you
perform Formula One. (Formula One, as a general
rule, is incorporated in all these experiments: in the
first part of the experiment, it energizes, and in
concluding the experiment it helps prevent astral
bleeding and ensures a rightful harmony between the
levels.) The Formula having been completed, you
continue the Rhythmic Breath.
Now, you are going to bring astral substance out
from the "solar plexus" region, the upper part of the
abdomen. People do sometimes exteriorize astral
substance from other parts of the body or head, but
the solar plexus is very "astro-sensitive," and it is
easiest to work from that area. (To find the exact
spot, just ask yourself where in the upper part of
your abdomen you feel most vulnerable.) So, in your
visual imagination, send forth to a convenient
distance before you a jet of silver-grey mist, which
should form at that distance into a small cloud.
Imagine this cloud next forming into a sphere. Do not
visualize any great quantity of silver-grey material
being exteriorized, and when you think - or say -
"That's enough!" let the outflow cease; though the
sphere should still be attached to the point of
ejection by a faint cord of the same substance. (See
Chapter 2, Question 7.)
For this initial practice, you have now only to put
the procedure into reverse. Simply visualize the
sphere becoming once more a diffuse cloud, then
draw it all back into yourself through the cord rather
like drinking through a straw (the Rhythmic Breath
will help), then finally re-absorb the cord.
When this process is complete, check that you are
still in the Wand Posture and round off your experience
with a repetition of Formula One.
The first two or three times that you work through
this procedure, you are likely to have an inner feeling
that the whole thing is only happening in your imagination.
Don't let this trouble you; the first few times,
quite likely it Is only happening in your imagination.
But, quite quickly, your astral body will grasp what
you are showing it, what you are expecting it to do,
and, unless it has any specific motive to resist your
wishes, it will very soon make your visualizations and
directions of astral substance real. Be ready to sense
that first delicate response; take care to be pleased,
grateful, to let your lower self know it has done
well.
Show, enact, and then when the action is successfully
imitated, manifest pleasure. An animal, a young
child, or the sub-rational levels of your own personality:
all can be trained in this way. "Failure" would
usually only mean the need for more patience;
sometimes, but rarely, the need to discover the reason
for a contrary impulse. But in the great majority of
cases, patience, kindness, gentleness, confidencewinning
are all the qualities required.
You can add something more to this initial
practice in ejection of astral substance. Instead of
simply forming it into a sphere, try forming it into a
"key figure" - that is to say, into a human figure of
about your own stature, generally silver-grey in color,
clothed in a simple dignified manner, being altogether
unelaborate and not over-detailed in aspect. DO NOT
ATTEMPT IN ANY WAY TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF
WITH THIS FIGURE AT THE PRESENT
STAGE. It is simply a doll, a puppet, a lay-figure as
yet. Visualize it in the same posture as yourself, and
facing you. The connecting cord should extend from
your solar plexus to the solar plexus region of the
igure. When the figure is quite clearly and plainly
there, then unemotionally turn it back into a
nebulous mass of silver-grey vapor, and re-absorb it
through the cord in the normal manner. And, of
course, don't forget Formula One!"

pg. 99 - 103

I just need help understanding it and what it means?

Also I can't stand in the wand posture [standing] for long because of my weight.

Thanks.
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2016, 06:59:17 »

Hi,
I'm reading a book called "astral projection for beginners". I'm on the part in chapter one where the author talks about progressive relaxation. I've got that mostly mastered. I also have the part about meditating on one thing mastered. The part on visualizing a scene I still have to practice but other than that mastered.

There is a method in this book called the chakra method. It's where you exit through one of your chakras into the astral plane / real time zone.

The chakras I feel most comfortable with are the root chakra and the third eye chakra.

Can someone give me some tips with this technique ? Or their experience with this technique?

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