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Author Topic: Difference between AProjection, LDreaming and OBE?  (Read 4378 times)
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« on: August 20, 2013, 06:47:13 »

I get the general idea but like...explain tongue
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 09:51:58 »

There's already many topics on this.
If you use the search button you will be surprised at the amount.
It's a case of look before you leap. grin
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 09:51:58 »

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2013, 16:01:47 »

I like your little Giff avatar pic thing HindSight... just been staring at it.  cheesy

The only difference is your point of view.

If the 'astral' or nonphysical reality was soup... then AP, LD and OOBE are just a cup a bowl and a ladle.

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2013, 20:02:00 »

Szaxx made an excellent point but I have some time so I will share my personal opinion.

AP, LD and OBE are the same exact experiences.

Different people are more comfortable using different terms.

I hope my lengthy description didn't muddy the waters too much.

BTW, I like your avatar too.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 20:41:48 »

To me, "AP" and "OOBE" describe indentical situations. "LD"  is probably the same situation too, but with a few small differences.

Lucid Dreams happen when you gain full or near full waking consciousness from a normal dream-state; the sorts of experiences people tend to have, myself included, are generally more "narritive" based in LD's; what I mean by this is that they tend to have a storyline, like a live-action film you are participating in. Ultimately, projections can get narritives too if you get really focused, but for me projections tend to be more "free-form", with a chance of narritive elements, and lucid dreams tend to be almost entirely narritive, with some chance of departure.

It has to do with your point of insertion I guess. Most people describe projections as beginning from a waking state early in the morning, where you settle into it after having woken up just moments before. Lucid dreams occur "in media res", so I think that is where the distinction arises- for projections there is no existing narritive, so if it happens it is something you actively participated in, whereas lucid dreams are like finding yourself in a movie, with the chance of escape given to you. For me, I find I learn just as much by participating in the narritive, so I just go with things, lol.

But ultimately, they are probably much the same thing (the labels are still useful though).
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2013, 20:44:27 »

Thanks guys  wink

I will search, but if unsatisfied I will ask  grin
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2013, 21:05:56 »

Thanks guys  wink

I will search, but if unsatisfied I will ask  grin

Always ask. To be honest, I am usually disappointed with the search results on any forum.

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To me, "AP" and "OOBE" describe indentical situations. "LD"  is probably the same situation too, but with a few small differences.

Lucid Dreams happen when you gain full or near full waking consciousness from a normal dream-state; the sorts of experiences people tend to have, myself included, are generally more "narritive" based in LD's; what I mean by this is that they tend to have a storyline, like a live-action film you are participating in. Ultimately, projections can get narritives too if you get really focused, but for me projections tend to be more "free-form", with a chance of narritive elements, and lucid dreams tend to be almost entirely narritive, with some chance of departure.

I agree, LD is different until one gains their full waking awareness and can stop the narrative, then it becomes the same.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2013, 21:25:05 »

To me a.p. and o.b.e. are perty much the same thing , l.d. is where you are dreaming , but know you are dreaming and then take control of the dream .  If you need more info this forum has a free down loadable p.d.f. , as does this site http://obe4u.com/
Erin has a bunch of blogs on a.p. http://www.erinpavlina.com/  and there is a lot more in books and all over the net .   
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2013, 22:40:10 »

I just can't wrap my head around the concept.

Can't you reach AP through LD?
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2013, 23:06:01 »

I just can't wrap my head around the concept.

Can't you reach AP through LD?

Yes, you can project from a dream.

Let's just say that dreams take place in the astral. So if you become aware that you are dreaming, you are already in the astral and it's just a matter of where you want to go or what you want to do. That's why we say that everybody projects whether they realize it or not.

Most people don't like to think of AP or OOBE as a dream because they think it diminishes the spirituality or importance of the experience. I think most people just define what a dream is in the wrong way.

You still have to gain your full awareness or the experience will feel much like a normal dream and the "danger" that you will slip back into your regular dream state is always present as well.

Instead of using the word astral, I prefer non physical reality like Tom C. uses.

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2013, 23:26:07 »

Yes, to the model I probably subscribe best to, dreams and projections don't take place in separate places.

It isn't like... "Now I am dreaming, and I am in 'dreamland' ", and, "Ok, now I am having a projection, and I am in spiritual-land, not at all like fake 'dreamland' "

I tend to think it is a continium of consciousness. We are more awake and aware at some times, and less at others, just like in waking life. For instance, you can be awake and alert at noonday, and that is one mental state, and then maybe go to a pub at 8 and have a pint or two, and be a little woozy- you aren't in a different reality, very few people would say that- the quality of your consciousness has changed, that is all.

So too with lucid dreams or projections. You are not going to a different place, you are rather in a different state of mind, with differing quality of consciousness. Both experiences can end up in the same way, and teach similar lessons.

(And you made me read my post in a Thomas Campell voice, lol)
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2013, 23:49:23 »

Ok ok, so would it be fair to say that the WILD technique is the samething as inducing a projection? You lay there, relax your mind then go to any scene?
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2013, 00:14:32 »

Never mind I just read a post that pretty much answered my questions, but thanks anyways!
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2013, 03:10:14 »

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/07/22/labeling-experiences-of-the-non-physical/  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2013, 03:31:06 »


Why isn't this a sticky here?
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2013, 03:54:17 »

That link really helped alot. Easy to understand. I agree, need to be a sticky.
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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2013, 19:37:21 »

That link really helped alot. Easy to understand. I agree, need to be a sticky.
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