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« on: January 12, 2010, 02:04:28 »

does it make it easier? does lsd make it easier? im curious... any answers are appreciated,
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 03:27:43 »

What I try to emphasize on with the following quote is that plants are meant/willing to help humans alter their perspective and observe the observer. Thus, I believe, weed pertains to these plants and it is not taking a shortcut ( It is ignorant to assume you can achieve the absolute clarity on your own, as nothing works that way), but merely taking the right way, the only way. So long you do not fall into extremes, that is become addicted of observing the observer and restrain yourself from the experience you are meant to have on this, current vibrating frequency. To observe the observer is merely a way to avoid the extreme of being ignorant due to arrogance and assumptions.All you will find here regarding your question is various differing opinions, so whenever somebody says something, ask yourself: 'Why do they say that? Just because it is so for them?'
 Nobody has died from weed to my knowledge, so it is up to you to try it yourself. Yet, I am not encouraging you to do it, just sharing my own opinion.
 It is an interesting read, nevertheless. I encourage you to read it

A Shamanism Primer, from My Experience,
By Peter Gorman (cited at David Icke's Forums)

Link: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9538&page=5

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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 03:37:52 »

The bottom line is no, smoking weed does not help astral projection in fact it makes it harder.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 03:39:52 »

eh... well I think a link would have been better than a wall of text, Peter.

Well, I could see how weed could be useful to get you in a relaxed state of mind, but I think most people would probably just end up falling asleep before anything happened.

I know from personal experience that LSD cannot possibly help. No psychedelic drug will help. The extreme A.D.D. would make it impossible to quiet your mind enough. I know a guy who had an out of body experience on LSD, but LSD/Psychedelics are too unpredictable to use to have an out of body experience, for the average person.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 05:05:00 »

The entire point of learning to do this is the journey.
Skipping the journey makes the entire thing a waste of time because you miss out on all the important stuff you'd learn on the way.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 05:21:32 »

Yes and No.

It depends on what you do when you're tripping/stoned.

If you make it a spiritual experience, and take the time to reflect inward upon your thoughts and feelings in your body and how they work together,  you can take a lot away from these experiences that could never be explained to you,  or that are extremely hard to convey with words.

If you make it "party time," and take the sensations for granted and gain a "tolerance" for them and learn to ignore them,  then you've not treated these substances with respect and when they leave you, so will your access to greater awareness and wisdom leave you.


I have had only a handful of experiences with LSD,  and to this day I am trying to reproduce all of what I felt while I am sober.  I have had a lot of success, especially in my greatly enhanced abilities to read people "like a book" based on every minute movement and tone of voice they make.  All the tiny muscles around the eyes, in the cheeks, all the meanings of all their arm and leg movements,  it was as if simply by watching someone I gained inside access to the totality of their thoughts and feelings.  And to this day I have retained a lot of that ability, though it comes and goes as I pay attention to it or neglect to pay attention.  I have also had extremely intuitive episodes to the point where I have been able to predict all movements of everyone in the room or even outside of rooms as they are happening in real time to a couple of minutes into the future such that I was just watching and listening to everything play out like a movie I'd already seen, and I did this through an internal connection to "something" that was already inside of my head and connected to my spine/emotional body like an antenna.

Many/most people do not come away from something like LSD with that kind of experience, though, because they get distracted and lost by what is happening around them and have trouble settling down and going into a meditative state.  Especially when they don't practice meditation beforehand to begin with.  For some people the experience is so new and intense that it becomes frightening and then increasingly terrifying to them, because they are not mentally/emotionally stable to begin with,  but most such people would probably be too scared to try LSD in the first place given all the publicity it's had.


Bottom line is,  you're going to do what you want,  but whether or not you try these substances will have no ultimate bearing upon whether you learn to AP or anything else.  YOU determine whether or not you can/will accomplish these things.  You have to have the intent, the will, the right attitude.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 17:28:31 »

I say this all the time - if there was a short cut, it would have been found and we would all be using it. But the fact is, stoners are not in the majority of advanced AP'ers. Most seem very intelligent and educated in one form or another. Maybe learning and hard work and dilligence has something to do with it.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 19:25:23 »

The entire point of learning to do this is the journey.
Skipping the journey makes the entire thing a waste of time because you miss out on all the important stuff you'd learn on the way.
I couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 22:19:24 »

As a youth I tried a host of psychedelics to induce non-ordinary states.  My purpose was to explore those realms to enlighten myself, not to party.  I can remember getting out of body a few times smoking pot, but most times it scared the tinkle out of me and I got back in quickly.  The harder hallucinogens, especially if taken in high doses, will literally rip you out of your body, at least that was my experience.  One acid trip I took lasted over 12 hours (12 hits taken all at once) and from what I can remember I went through an experience very much like the one talked about in The Tibetian Book of the Dead.  Yes, I made it to the clear light.

Having said that, drugs are IMO only good to get you off your ass.  Once you are aware that the physical world is just one tiny place in the cosmos and we have the ability to go to far vaster realms, then it is time to get down to business - refining your awareness to the point where you can control it and project yourself into these new realms by your own free will.  It can be done, but you've gotta be really dedicated and into it...either that or just damn lucky.

To wit, lay off the dope, except maybe as a recreational experience now and then.  Long term use is only gonna make you, well, a dope head.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2010, 14:55:56 »

I say this all the time - if there was a short cut, it would have been found and we would all be using it. But the fact is, stoners are not in the majority of advanced AP'ers.
Usually when you say "if it were true, we would know it", someone knows it and you don't
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 17:17:02 »

Then someones bogarting
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2010, 19:12:30 »

from personal experience, I'd say yes. it does.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2010, 21:26:09 »

from personal experience, I'd say yes. it does.
The problem with that statement is this:  Where does your Astral Projection experience begin in relation to your high?
How do you know that what you're experiencing is because of your own mind and focus or because of the weed?

THAT is the problem.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2010, 22:12:07 »

because I've projected before without weed.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2010, 22:22:58 »

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but I think most people would probably just end up falling asleep before anything happened.

I don't know about that. I think you are wrong though. I think they would be too busy eating doughnuts and drinking to project, then they fall asleep heh.
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2010, 00:33:50 »

I say this all the time - if there was a short cut, it would have been found and we would all be using it.
there is. it's called Dimethyltryptamine
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 00:35:37 »

The entire point of learning to do this is the journey.
Skipping the journey makes the entire thing a waste of time because you miss out on all the important stuff you'd learn on the way.

So your telling me if you had a device and all you had to do was push a button and you would be out of body, you wouldn't use it?
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 00:56:12 »

So your telling me if you had a device and all you had to do was push a button and you would be out of body, you wouldn't use it?

I think he is missing the point by endorsing an assumption that taking 'supplements' or, in your case, using devices is something not part of the journey; such a road does not exist. There is no action (as everything is action) that is not an inevitably pertaining part of the journey.
If it exists, here, now, it is a part of the journey. Ethics are holding you back on your journey of discovering new places along the way; yet they are a part of the whole and adhering them is tempting so as to satisfy the Ego's desires that are somewhat parallel to those upheld beliefs imposed on it by the others sharing its surroundings.
Ethics are, of course, required, since if the action of taking supplements we illustrate as running along the way, then ethics are merely a way to slow down and observe your surroundings and the land where you are; the newly found one.
But after a while you may have to run again, to discover new lands since the former ones no longer have the 'stuff' and have become the erstwhile.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 01:27:31 »

don't think of these things as "shortcuts". instead, think of them as tools.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2010, 01:33:41 »

I guess it could be compared to a difficult mathematics problem. You don't need to use a graphing calculator or computer software such as Mathematica to solve the problem, in fact it can be done without these tools. But with the use of these tools it becomes much easier and takes much less time.
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2010, 15:01:17 »

So your telling me if you had a device and all you had to do was push a button and you would be out of body, you wouldn't use it?
Probably not.
I'm not into short cuts.
And if I did, I'd be kind of a hypocrite, wouldn't I?  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2010, 15:02:17 »

don't think of these things as "shortcuts". instead, think of them as tools.
The thing is, that's all they are, "tools".
Eventually you'll need to learn to do without them or they become a crutch to you moving forward.
Learn to do without them from the start and you don't need to worry about it.
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2010, 17:41:22 »

Using a drug to force your awareness into another state of consciousness isn't quite what we're about here. It's about learning real skills to aid in astral projection.

If you want to resort to illegal/dangerous methods, it's really for another forum.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2010, 18:43:05 »

The "don't take short cuts" argument is silly.  If I had a device where all I had to do was push a button to experience an OBE, you bet I would push it!  Is it going to stop me from OBE'ing without it, too?  If anything it would force you to become aware of subtleties of thought and sensation that much more rapidly.

It's like if I'm going to learn to swim,  I can ease myself in step by step from the shallow end,  or I could dive straight into the deep end.  Different people have different personalities and learn different ways but there is nothing invalid whatsoever about jumping straight into the deep end as a learning process.  There are no "cheats" or "short cuts" in life, and if you think you've discovered one,  it isn't really a cheat or short cut.  There really are no rules to any of this.  The closest thing you have is laws passed by our governments, and you don't want to know what I think about those.
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2010, 19:06:17 »

I guess it depends on what you're trying to achieve-
 
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If I had a device where all I had to do was push a button to experience an OBE, you bet I would push it!
If the object were to experience OBE (or think you experienced it) then the button would be pushed.  But to learn to OBE and achieve control of the experience, taking the shortcut would not help, it would  also (because of the nature of the shortcut itself (artificial mind altering) you wouldn't know if you're really projecting, you might know that your thought processes are different, but you'd never be sure- you'd have to have the unaided experience to compare it to.

 
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If anything it would force you to become aware of subtleties of thought and sensation that much more rapidly.
But once again, because your mental process has already been altered previous to the OB E, you couldn't be sure you can duplicate that level of awareness, without the shortcut.

So it depends on what you want to do.  Do you want self control and learning, or to have the experience itself?  Then taylor the answer to the question.
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