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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2010, 21:16:32 »

I wasn't joking.  I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them.  Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm.  This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".  

Lol!! You are a deep thinker.

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« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2010, 21:19:04 »

Lol!! You are a deep thinker.

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Too deep sometimes.  LoL
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« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2010, 22:00:25 »

I wasn't joking.  I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them.  Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm.  This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".   

Lol!! You are a deep thinker.

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Hi All: At first I was going to let this slide but, it is possible people need to know what I mean about the Astral Mud and the free areas of the upper focus levels 27 and above:

Excerpted Kepple: FOCUS 2

Focus 2 of consciousness is what is commonly known by psychologists, as your "subconscious" but there is nothing "sub" about it. Focus 2 is where most people do their dreaming, lucid dreaming, their "astral projecting", their meeting up with all manner of demons and devils, etc.

This is where religion has been stuck for millions of years. Even enlightened ones like Buddhism doesn’t seem to get that this astral area is a trap and can be by passed… instead they’ve created all this hocus pocus about avoiding demons and the like which may or may not work… the point is why encounter them at all.

The astral is an area which can be passed through and most non-physical explorers armed with Monroe, Moen and Kepple will negotiate quite easily.

Excerpted Kepple: Focus 3 is what I call a 'common area' of our Consciousness Continuum. This means that unlike Focus 2, which is ours alone and can only be experienced by ourselves, our Focus 3 area of consciousness intertwines with everyone else's; we can all share in each other's Focus 3 areas of consciousness and interact with each other. As you step into Focus 3 then you will find that it is much like the physical is. Here you can meet people in a totally objective sense exactly as you can while physical. Within this region it is obvious these people are not merely creations of your own imagination. It is as obvious as it is apparent that other people are not merely creations of your imagination within the physical.

Kepple makes clear the focus 27 and above are free will areas. You choose to interact with others… I have heard as a matter of fact you can’t meet anyone here how dislikes you or you dislke… there is no coercion or belief system power working here.

Monroe’s focus 23 thru 26 is where the hollow heavens and hells reside and you gravitate there based on strong fixed belief system constructs such as pr was attempting to allude to accept the Monroes work leads you to 27 and above which are free will areas.

Anyway most of you who are really interested can follow thru for yourselves to clarify these ideas… I thought it was important to at least point people to areas of investigation to get there facts straight… there is enough misinformation in the universe.

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« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2010, 22:07:23 »

I've never heard the term "Astral Mud" before, but I thought it was common knowledge that your subconscious reflects into the astral and you in turn experience the projections it creates until you learn to move past it.
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« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2010, 23:14:06 »

I've never heard the term "Astral Mud" before, but I thought it was common knowledge that your subconscious reflects into the astral and you in turn experience the projections it creates until you learn to move past it.

Hi pr: read the kepple material... it is the best around. The point is you don't have to get into the astral or Kepple focus 2... (particularly upon death) in the training you are led out of these areas and for the purposes of exploration you can do whatever you want to do... the belief system terretories are in kepples f2 for you to examime while you are in physical form or any other area you choose to go to once you are proficient in shifting focus... the training is all about learning to shifting focus and/or traveling...

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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2010, 00:40:44 »

i have indeed read the monroe and kepple resources.

let me respond simply.  i don't like the presumptuous attitude and subsequent definition declared by kepple and monroe.  who the hell do they think they are?!  jesus or something?  lol, totally kidding. 

but in all seriousness, these people are fine for achieving projection, but as far as "astral physics" goes, that is an individual journey.  you experience the astral world you expect to experience.
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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2010, 01:58:19 »

i have indeed read the monroe and kepple resources.

let me respond simply.  i don't like the presumptuous attitude and subsequent definition declared by kepple and monroe.  who the hell do they think they are?!  jesus or something?  lol, totally kidding. 

but in all seriousness, these people are fine for achieving projection, but as far as "astral physics" goes, that is an individual journey.  you experience the astral world you expect to experience.

What area did you project to...Huh What did you see? What experiements have you performed? Who are your guides and what do they say? Please don't take this as a cheap shot... but, if you are familiar with kepple how come you didn't know he is the one who coined the concept of 'Astral Mud'.

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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2010, 02:53:45 »

See?  This is what I'm talking about when it comes to ya'lls concepts and definitions. 

My goodness people... just be happy that this kind of shite is happening to you at all.   And this concept of "astral mud"... WTF?... who cares? 

Most ppl here are so bogged down by other people's perceptions that it is bogging down their own..............acceleration.   STOP IT.  angry

Your perception of YOUR life is exactly what it should be.  Don't look towards others to validate what you think should happen. 

Just saying.

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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2010, 02:59:36 »

i have indeed read the monroe and kepple resources.

but in all seriousness, these people are fine for achieving projection, but as far as "astral physics" goes, that is an individual journey.  you experience the astral world you expect to experience.

Hi PR: First, the astral and the planes above the astral are not the same and do not respond to the same laws. The astral kepple’s f2… is the individual’s subconscious in which you are right what you think will be created on demand.

But the f23 and above are a collective consciousness in which you interact with others reality… tho, you can create with thought… others don’t have to accept your creation…

If you can get into a Hollow heaven, try to convert someone… or start preaching heresy… they will probably attack you… they can’t hurt you… but you will have to leave… but, you will not be able to affect or change that consensus reality… therefore it is incorrect to say in all the non-physical what you create is what you get…

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« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2010, 03:01:18 »

See?  This is what I'm talking about when it comes to ya'lls concepts and definitions. 

My goodness people... just be happy that this kind of shite is happening to you at all.   And this concept of "astral mud"... WTF?... who cares? 

Most ppl here are so bogged down by other people's perceptions that it is bogging down their own..............acceleration.   STOP IT.  angry

Your perception of YOUR life is exactly what it should be.  Don't look towards others to validate what you think should happen. 

Just saying.


Hi Nya kid: Well, said.

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« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2010, 03:19:42 »

hehehe.. it's Naykid.  No need to split it up.  I was once, Nay, and now I'm Naykid. 

BUT... like I was saying, stop trying to define your experience by other experience... you can get some basis of it.. but to totally define it...NO WAY.

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« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2010, 07:08:45 »

Astral Mud and how to get dunked in it:

I recently watched a documentary on the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Essenes. I realized this was a perfect example of the getting stuck in the Astral Mud.

The Essenes practiced very severe austerity and exotic ascetic techniques along with elaborate rituals… this obviously put then into a phasing or obe state in which they penetrated the astral world… because they didn’t understand where they were and didn’t explore beyond the astral areas… they got tangled in visions of potential futures… they saw their own demise at the hands of the Romans… but, reversed the victory and added a victory and divine salvation… which Evangelical Christians today still interpret as the coming Armageddon end of days…   

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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2010, 14:59:03 »

See?  This is what I'm talking about when it comes to ya'lls concepts and definitions. 

My goodness people... just be happy that this kind of shite is happening to you at all.   And this concept of "astral mud"... WTF?... who cares? 

Most ppl here are so bogged down by other people's perceptions that it is bogging down their own..............acceleration.   STOP IT.  angry

Your perception of YOUR life is exactly what it should be.  Don't look towards others to validate what you think should happen. 

Just saying.



I never thought this would happen, but thank you Nay, that is my point exactly.

My experiences in projection are ultimately irrelevant.  It doesn't matter what I have experienced, the simple truth is that I have experienced the shift in awareness that people call astral projection and I will certainly come to ever evolving conclusions about these journeys.  But I come to these conclusions on my own and I wouldn't dream of telling other people "this is how it is".
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« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2010, 18:42:27 »

 cheesy

Yeah, I know that had to hurt.
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« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2010, 18:39:07 »

word.
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