Help with my fear of the "dark entities"?

[kurtykurt42]

I think we have to agree to disagree here.  I don't like the term "astral projection" because I find the notion of one's soul/astral body/whatever separating from the physical to be outdated.  I consider myself a student of the Monroe school of thought, where there is no separation in consciousness-- I am Here and There simultaneously. 

There are plenty of lifeforms out there that certainly aren't very nice, but the concept of demons and dark entities is simply too religious for my taste. 

Outdated? The most recent research into NDEs and RV shows that individuals are able view anything anywhere in space/time. How exactly can you do that without separating from your physical body?

[majour ka]

Hello, ignore the stories. It's stupid things like that that keep people away from the wonder of the Astral World. If your expectations are to meet "dark entities", then "dark entities" you shall meet. In the Astral Thought = Action. You must go into this with an open mind but with air of curiosity. Learn to meditate first so you may be at peace with yourself. Never Phase when you are angry or upset. Go in with Love in your heart and you will find "loving things" there.
 Good Luck and Safe Travels 

Yes well said...Ive never come across or met anything that can hurt you in the Astral or the spirit world...I believe its just construct of peoples minds 

Read the frank Kepple resource, that might help you 

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[ayearhasgone]

Outdated? The most recent research into NDEs and RV shows that individuals are able view anything anywhere in space/time. How exactly can you do that without separating from your physical body?

Because consciousness is infinite.  There is no separation in consciousness.  There is no "physical" and "non-physical" (though it helps my poor little brain to make that distinction).  I am both Here and There simultaneously.  There are no "places," only Focuses of Attention.

The other day I visited a friend non-physically.  She was sitting under a tree reading a book and we had a nice conversation, I received verifiable information I would not have otherwise known.  But in the "old" model of consciousness, this would be impossible, because she was shopping at the mall when this happened.  It reminds me of one of Bruce Moen's partnered explorations-- his friend said she would be happy to explore with him, but also said she wouldn't remember because she was at home watching a soap opera.  This is called Mind-Split.

When meeting with my I/There, I encounter many different lives and aspects of myself, including future lives.  There is no separation in consciousness.  You could go your entire life thinking that you have separated from your body, because it certainly looks that way, but in reality that's not what's happening.

At any rate, I digress.  Point is, the only ones who have encountered dark entities, are the ones who believe in them in the first place.  In the Non-Physical, thoughts are things. 

[kurtykurt42]

Because consciousness is infinite.  There is no separation in consciousness.  There is no "physical" and "non-physical" (though it helps my poor little brain to make that distinction).  I am both Here and There simultaneously.  There are no "places," only Focuses of Attention.

If you say so.

The other day I visited a friend non-physically.  She was sitting under a tree reading a book and we had a nice conversation, I received verifiable information I would not have otherwise known.  But in the "old" model of consciousness, this would be impossible, because she was shopping at the mall when this happened.  It reminds me of one of Bruce Moen's partnered explorations-- his friend said she would be happy to explore with him, but also said she wouldn't remember because she was at home watching a soap opera.  This is called Mind-Split.

It's possible to travel non-physically to any point in space AND time. Therefore you could have seen your friend reading a book yesterday, a week ago or even a year from now.

When meeting with my I/There, I encounter many different lives and aspects of myself, including future lives.  There is no separation in consciousness.  You could go your entire life thinking that you have separated from your body, because it certainly looks that way, but in reality that's not what's happening.

At any rate, I digress.  Point is, the only ones who have encountered dark entities, are the ones who believe in them in the first place.  In the Non-Physical, thoughts are things. 

Unfortunately, in reality, you don't know any of that for sure...

[majour ka]

Because consciousness is infinite.  There is no separation in consciousness.  There is no "physical" and "non-physical" (though it helps my poor little brain to make that distinction).  I am both Here and There simultaneously.  There are no "places," only Focuses of Attention.

The other day I visited a friend non-physically.  She was sitting under a tree reading a book and we had a nice conversation, I received verifiable information I would not have otherwise known.  But in the "old" model of consciousness, this would be impossible, because she was shopping at the mall when this happened.  It reminds me of one of Bruce Moen's partnered explorations-- his friend said she would be happy to explore with him, but also said she wouldn't remember because she was at home watching a soap opera.  This is called Mind-Split.

When meeting with my I/There, I encounter many different lives and aspects of myself, including future lives.  There is no separation in consciousness.  You could go your entire life thinking that you have separated from your body, because it certainly looks that way, but in reality that's not what's happening.



At any rate, I digress.  Point is, the only ones who have encountered dark entities, are the ones who believe in them in the first place.  In the Non-Physical, thoughts are things. 

Hi, while agree in principle of the idea of consciousnesses being infinite, it has to be really there is no other way.
I still have to question if the conversation under the tree was with your mind made version of your friend in the astral....just saying...because had you visited her primary focus of consciousnesses it would have been with her at the shops.
One thing we might agree on here, is that when you project astraly you feel what is very much like a separation from your body into the non physical focus, so whether your just extending your consciousnesses or not it is still that Out of body experience.
eg If i sit with my eyes open I can leave my body "so to speak" and I will have no conscious awareness of my physical at that point, ie my physical eyes no longer see the room, but my spirit mind sees the room....so yes I may be be in both all places but my conscious awareness is still out of body ...OBE

Regards

[kurtykurt42]

It is a pointless debate... consciousnesses could easily be finite. There might be "physical" and "non-physical" planes of existance. You might not be here and there simultaneously. And "places" may exist regardless of our Focuses of Attention. Prove me wrong.

[majour ka]

It is a pointless debate... consciousnesses could easily be finite. There might be "physical" and "non-physical" planes of existance. You might not be here and there simultaneously. And "places" may exist regardless of our Focuses of Attention. Prove me wrong.

Lol yeah true, but its also good to share ideas and perspectives "I do not promise to believe tomorrow exactly what I believe today, and I do not believe today exactly what I believed yesterday. I expect to make, as I have made, some honest progress within every succeeding twenty-four hours".  Andrew Jackson Davis

[kurtykurt42]

Lol yeah true, but its also good to share ideas and perspectives "I do not promise to believe tomorrow exactly what I believe today, and I do not believe today exactly what I believed yesterday. I expect to make, as I have made, some honest progress within every succeeding twenty-four hours".  Andrew Jackson Davis

The point I'm making here is that there are no facts, only theories and the experiences of others. So, when people like ayearhasgone foolishly claim to have the answers I enjoy pointlessly debating there ideas.

[CFTraveler]

The point I'm making here is that there are no facts, only theories and the experiences of others. So, when people like ayearhasgone foolishly claim to have the answers I enjoy pointlessly debating there ideas.

  I resemble that remark.   

[Szaxx]

Hi,
@ kurt,
It may seem subjective but when you experience several clairvoyant scenes and ALL of them happen exactly to the finest detail, your perspective certainly changes for ever.
The nasties you have been party to were definately hideous and I'm sure very real. I've been to places too where the walls were made of trapped souls and once they grab hold of you that's your end. They all were bad, nasty people and that's theirs because they believed it to be their damnation. Its a horrid place and there's even worse than that. The pit was one where I never went to but it exists in some form as a punishing belief system generated by those who fear satan. Do you not feel this when meeting entities, search their minds using telepathy and you'll understand that. You have the experience I'm sure. Look to yourself as a god like entity and the dark ones stay well away. On the other side of the proverbial coin is the place of pure white light. The entities there despise humans. They hate any war mongering forms and regard us as slime (primordial). They read me instantly and I couldn't even see or feel anything of them, totally locked out and they are the only ones ever that I have not been able to read. They also impressed in me Id never return and I can't get back there too.
The physical and all our knowledge on everything amounted to one grain of sand in a vast desert. This is the reality of it. Its so IMMENSE the more you see the less you actually know.
We are gods children is a saying with some meaning moreso metaphorically.
 Fear nothing and nothing can scare you.
That's the beauty of beating nightmares, you learn to deal with it.
Hope this helps you understand to look at the bigger picture.

[kurtykurt42]

Well, thanks for the advice Szaxx.

You see, for years I dedicated my life to mastering astral projection, remote viewing, energy training, and martial arts. I become very good and set out to explore, foolishly thinking I could handle anything that was out there. I saw many things and encountered many types of beings, fearing nothing. Then, I encountered a race of beings... Known to many people as the "grays". They wouldn't leave me alone. I could hear there thoughts and see them almost every time I meditated. I tried everything I could to make them go away. building shields of positive energy, chopping there heads off with a sword but they wouldn't leave. To make a long story short, they took control of my mind on several occasions and made me do strange things. I almost killed myself with my own sword several times but was able to stop them with the help of an advanced being that I contacted using a Lemurian crystal. She told me to stop my training and focus my attention in this realm until the year 2012. So, for now I'm done with practicing astral projection but will continue to learn and explore. 


 

[majour ka]

Hi,
@ kurt,
It may seem subjective but when you experience several clairvoyant scenes and ALL of them happen exactly to the finest detail, your perspective certainly changes for ever.
The nasties you have been party to were definately hideous and I'm sure very real. I've been to places too where the walls were made of trapped souls and once they grab hold of you that's your end. They all were bad, nasty people and that's theirs because they believed it to be their damnation. Its a horrid place and there's even worse than that. The pit was one where I never went to but it exists in some form as a punishing belief system generated by those who fear satan. Do you not feel this when meeting entities, search their minds using telepathy and you'll understand that. You have the experience I'm sure. Look to yourself as a god like entity and the dark ones stay well away. On the other side of the proverbial coin is the place of pure white light. The entities there despise humans. They hate any war mongering forms and regard us as slime (primordial). They read me instantly and I couldn't even see or feel anything of them, totally locked out and they are the only ones ever that I have not been able to read. They also impressed in me Id never return and I can't get back there too.
The physical and all our knowledge on everything amounted to one grain of sand in a vast desert. This is the reality of it. Its so IMMENSE the more you see the less you actually know.
We are gods children is a saying with some meaning moreso metaphorically.
 Fear nothing and nothing can scare you.
That's the beauty of beating nightmares, you learn to deal with it.
Hope this helps you understand to look at the bigger picture.

Its called the Astral..ie the subconscious which is subject to our thoughts and fears, we create it, but because its our subconscious it tricks us into believing its real.
Just imagine If this physical realm reacted to our subconscious reality as quickly as the subconscious focus did, then can you imagine what a place this would be lol...the astral is a tricky place and tricks us into thinking it wasn't created by our minds...