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« on: June 18, 2010, 10:25:12 »

Hey all, I've been practising astral projection,phasing,and couple more methods for the past 3 or 4 months with no luck. I get to a point where my body is heavily paralyzed and then I just lay there. It is really frustrating and disappointing. As for phasing, I've tried it couple times but it is said that you have to observe images when they pop out. I once got to a point when I locked on an image and I kind of felt like I was about to be dragged in there but suddenly it stoped. By the way those images rarely appear and I have to lay there for an hour or so. It is so... not fair.

Any tips would be gladly appreciated
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 14:03:17 »

Hi there Smiley

It kind of sounds like you're still focused on your physical body.
It's easier said than done, but you've got to completely forget that you've even got a physical body.  Smiley

What method are you currently trying to Phase with?

~Ryan
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 15:25:17 »

Hi there Smiley

It kind of sounds like you're still focused on your physical body.
It's easier said than done, but you've got to completely forget that you've even got a physical body.  Smiley

What method are you currently trying to Phase with?

~Ryan
Well, I am trying the one that requires just observation of images. But like I've said I barely see any at all no matter how long I wait. Maybe you could give me some quick tips how to do phasing properly?
I am so glad you've replied me :]
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 15:32:28 »

Ah, "Noticing".
Is that the one?

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Try that link if you haven't already.

Focus on this part:
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Noticing what?

Well, nothing at first, there’s not much to see really but blackness. But then, after a short while, I may see that perhaps one part of the blackness is not quite so black. Perhaps there was just a brief flash of something, then maybe a sensation of a movement somewhere else. Maybe I just heard someone call my name. Hmm, that’s interesting, I might think, I wonder where that came from. But I don’t get too curious I just keep noticing. I might see swirling areas of not quite so black as the rest. I might see flashes of this and that. As I am offering myself these images, my attention is steadily becoming more fixated within.

As my attention becomes fixated within, from the act of noticing, at this stage I am not aware of my physical body. Part of my awareness realises that somewhere in the background is a physical body, in bed, etc. but I have phased away from it. Before, the forefront of my awareness was my physical and 180 degrees turned around from that, in the background of my awareness, was the non-physical. But now there has been a “phase shift” i.e. a turning through 180 degrees. Now, my previous foreground (physical) is my background, and my previous background (non-physical) is my foreground.

You're doing fine so it would seem.
Just continue what you're doing, but keep a more passive awareness... and just observe.
Try not to think about what you're seeing as much as merge your awareness WITH what you're seeing.  Smiley

~Ryan
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 17:56:33 »

Ah, "Noticing".
Is that the one?

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Try that link if you haven't already.

Focus on this part:
You're doing fine so it would seem.
Just continue what you're doing, but keep a more passive awareness... and just observe.
Try not to think about what you're seeing as much as merge your awareness WITH what you're seeing.  Smiley

~Ryan
Yes I did read that information maybe 3 or 4 times already. Fine I will try to watch them even more passively. But as you know it is very hard to do so when you're staring at blackness for a half an hour. That is not cool. I hope I will get positive results someday... It's a bit pity that its so hard for me to do it, darn. By the way, maybe you know any other more effective phasing method?
Thank you for your time :]
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 18:19:34 »

there is pasive meditation and active meditation

you could imagin your in a field and then build a castle in it and pay attention to everything your building, it is possible to phase into your own creations by alowing yourself to be totally absorbed

clearing the mind is great for develping will power but you also need to exorcise your visualisation skills
if you can create a place you can use it to stimulate a full blown OBE just by stepping into it and then using it as a platform to launch yourself to other places

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 18:38:01 »

Yes I did read that information maybe 3 or 4 times already. Fine I will try to watch them even more passively. But as you know it is very hard to do so when you're staring at blackness for a half an hour. That is not cool. I hope I will get positive results someday... It's a bit pity that its so hard for me to do it, darn. By the way, maybe you know any other more effective phasing method?
Thank you for your time :]
I do hope you don't take this the wrong way... but you sound so very impatient.  Smiley
That, and you're worrying too much about the end result.

Don't worry about the destination... think about the path you're taking to get there.
Enjoy the blackness, don't fight it.  Smiley

Some of my most pleasant times entails staring at nothing but the blackness.

~Ryan
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 20:03:45 »

But as you know it is very hard to do so when you're staring at blackness for a half an hour. That is not cool.

Maybe you need to take a different approach to it, because "staring at blackness" doesn't have to be boring and unenjoyable. One thing I do before I start any exercises, including noticing, is deeply relax. When your deeply relaxed it should feel really good and relaxing. That alone should make the next part of the process easier, because you're enjoying it. And the more relaxed you are, the better chances you'll have of slipping into trance.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 20:21:36 »

slipping into trance.
It's funny how people use that terminology...
That really is *THE BEST* way to describe the action of getting into that state.
You SLIP into it.

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 20:30:37 »

Thank you guys for your answers. It really helped. yes I am kind of impatient person so thats the case i suppose. Anyway, tomorrow is the next day to do better :]
Thank you again
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 21:54:29 »

Another way of looking at this process is to see it as just holding onto your conscious awareness for as long as you can while you go to sleep. Just concentrate on staying aware for as long as possible, with the aim of carrying that awareness right through into sleep. With practice, you'll find you can extend the period of awareness more and more, and eventually you'll begin to experience transitional sensations such as vibrations or loud noises. When that happens try to remain calm and just go along with the process.  You'll be out and about in no time wink
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2010, 21:54:57 »

One different point of view- if you get to the exit state and don't exit, don't just lay there and wait- do an exit technique.  If you're trying to go OBE, there are a bunch of exit techniques available to you.  If you are phasing and just paying attention isn't doing it, 'lean into' the images as you slow them down.  This creates the 'vacuum' that sucks you into the scene.  Either way, 'just waiting' doesn't work most of the time, you have to do something when you're ready.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2010, 09:33:15 »

One different point of view- if you get to the exit state and don't exit, don't just lay there and wait- do an exit technique.  If you're trying to go OBE, there are a bunch of exit techniques available to you.  If you are phasing and just paying attention isn't doing it, 'lean into' the images as you slow them down.  This creates the 'vacuum' that sucks you into the scene.  Either way, 'just waiting' doesn't work most of the time, you have to do something when you're ready.
Yes when images poped out I started to become one with them. I began to feel that they are getting bigger and I'm being sucked in there but then it stopped for no reason Sad (well maybe it was a outside noise because it is pretty loud on the street)
By the way is it ok to do phasing at night?
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2010, 14:43:39 »

It's funny how people use that terminology...
That really is *THE BEST* way to describe the action of getting into that state.
You SLIP into it.

~Ryan

kind of like how you slip into a comfy pair of clothes? or different slipping.. hmm.. like a slip and slide?

Yes when images poped out I started to become one with them. I began to feel that they are getting bigger and I'm being sucked in there but then it stopped for no reason Sad (well maybe it was a outside noise because it is pretty loud on the street)
By the way is it ok to do phasing at night?


1-2 hours before you will go to bed, many people prefer and seem to have more success in the morning but then there are others who's entire nonphysical travels are done at night. I will repeat this though, the time of day has nothing to do with your success, it is at which points in your sleep cycle(i'm talking asleep and awake) you try to do so that will have varying factors which will be detrimental or positive to your attempt at phasing. Everyone has a different sleep cycle, some people are even nocturnal so, I'd say it depends on the person relative to their cycle.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2010, 19:34:57 »

kind of like how you slip into a comfy pair of clothes? or different slipping.. hmm.. like a slip and slide?

1-2 hours before you will go to bed, many people prefer and seem to have more success in the morning but then there are others who's entire nonphysical travels are done at night. I will repeat this though, the time of day has nothing to do with your success, it is at which points in your sleep cycle(i'm talking asleep and awake) you try to do so that will have varying factors which will be detrimental or positive to your attempt at phasing. Everyone has a different sleep cycle, some people are even nocturnal so, I'd say it depends on the person relative to their cycle.
Yeah well I am kind of a night person, because I feel alot better at evening than morning. I try doing it in the second half of the day.
By the way, I've tried doing obe couple hours ago and I got really heavy sleep paralysis, and it was a real narrow margin betwen sleep and awaken. I felt like I was swinging a lot or something like that. Somehow I am trying not to relax too much because I am afraid to fall asleep Sad
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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2010, 23:17:18 »

Swinging a lot is a separation symptom.  You have to use body awareness and 'lean' into the movement, as if you were surfing or something like that.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2010, 09:51:49 »

Swinging a lot is a separation symptom.  You have to use body awareness and 'lean' into the movement, as if you were surfing or something like that.
I see thanks. It is good to know that I am at least doing it right. hope I'm close Smiley
just need to find right seperation technique because it is really hard to think because my brain is asleep (or almost). I mean it, It is really difficult to think when you are in deep paralysis. I'm sure you know  that
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2010, 21:45:42 »

That's when meditation techniques and energy work come in.  They keep your mind busy enough that it stays more lucid, without getting into mind chatter.
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