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Originally posted by Patty:
Hi Jeni - I'm always happy to meet someone who has similar experiences. I think that the first two were so much more complete/real-seeming, because I needed them so badly and had never been consciously separate from my body before. So when I realized what was going on, I was startled into full alertness. Unfortunately, after a couple seconds I was further startled back into my body. So they were really brief.
But after the first couple - the experiences didn't startle me quite so much, and so I don't seem to be able to drop all the dream - stuff that is going on in them. It's like I'm half asleep saying "Oh yeah, right, another OBE, just hit the snooze okay?" Which kind of ticks me off when I wake up and feel like I have lost an opportunity! But like I said there was some validation which was comforting.
Haven't really projected from a completely awake state - Trance always borders sleep for me and I usually am skating back and forth over the line, or alternatively realizie that I am separate from my body sometime during the night. it sounds like being able to sit in a chair, achieve trance, and project is a very different experience than what I've done.
Talk to you later -
Patty
Hello Patty,
I know what you mean. I think most people who are trying to project start out that way. In fact, I haven't projected with out already having been asleep, or drifting off to it.
I sometime feel like I'm about to OBE whilst falling alseep. It's nice when you're not so tired, and you want to have one. But when you're really tired (like I was last night) and you just want to sleep, it can be pretty daunting. In fact, it took me over a half an hour to get to sleep just because I kept almost entering the OBE state.
I know what you mean about wanting to turn it into a projection. You're actually better off not doing so when you're that tired because you'll end up having a lousy experience, or being startled back into your body. A few nights ago, I entered that state, to the point where everything was black. After being in that state for a few seconds, I was shot back into my body out of pure fear. I woke up trembling. In short, it's best to attempt OBE in any shape or form when you're well-rested and in good spirit.
My most vivid real-time OBE took place a few days ago. It actually wasn't an intended one, but it was very nice indeed. It was about 9:30 am, and I must have been in some dream-related pre-OBE state. With all my training lately, I must have been some how able to realise what was going on and turn it into a conscious projection. I floated around my room, did some back flips, etc. I then went into my crawlspace (which I have never seen before) and saw white bags of things, which Dad later verified to be insulation. I then had some attached dream imagery - when I flew out of the roof, I was on top of a completely different building. I don't know why, when everything else was an OBE, except maybe because I had a thought whilst OB what threw me off for a second, and/or that I was low on energy at that point. I then went back down through my crawlspace and into my room, and eventually back into my body.
I've also had experiences where I had the entire exit experience and then found myself in a different house, having what is an OBE to me at the time. I believe this is actually a form of projection which is either high in the buffer zone, below the astral plane; or what's called a "virtual reality projection". Robert Bruce writes about "virtual reality projections" in his "Treatise on Astral Projection".
It's all a lot of fun - when you can have the experience. I can certainly relate to those still trying to have their first; it took me a long time to get mine, and I still have a long way to go. The trance state itself is very nice; my meditation doubles as a way to relax. I also do a little yoga when I get a chance, which I believe also enhances projection ability.
Good luck with your adventures. If there is anything I can help you with, feel free to give me a shout.
Take care,
Jeni