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« on: April 23, 2004, 17:00:43 »

This is not a hindrance.  This is an opportunity to work through your fears, to find your weakness and get past it.  This is the spiritual path.

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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2004, 17:44:36 »

The same with me! I've been trying this for some 4 days or so. I have no fears but still when I start to feel my astral body I try to get it seperated with different techniques, but it just doesn't want to leave. When I get very, very close, my eyes start to open and I must concentrate on closing them, which is hard because they just want to open themselves. I am relaxed or at least I think so, but when I get too relaxed and don't think about anything many thoughts start to run around my mind. Maybe I should try a different approach? What do you think about this problem?
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2004, 18:35:30 »

Agent, a couple of thoughts- if it is just a simple fear it will disappear after a few attempts, and if you do reach a point of partial seperation you should not focus on your body but think ahead to where you are wanting to go-maybe just in the room ot outside your house.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2004, 18:41:04 »

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The same with me! I've been trying this for some 4 days or so. I have no fears but still when I start to feel my astral body I try to get it seperated with different techniques, but it just doesn't want to leave. When I get very, very close, my eyes start to open and I must concentrate on closing them, which is hard because they just want to open themselves. I am relaxed or at least I think so, but when I get too relaxed and don't think about anything many thoughts start to run around my mind. Maybe I should try a different approach? What do you think about this problem?





Dude! It's hard is'nt it!  I really don't thinbk it is fear so much as it is just simple lack of PURE concentration.  You really need to concentrate to reach OBE. Seriously, but those thoughts just won't leave me alone.  Im going to try it again, and this time concentrate to the fullest extent untill I run out of mental juice.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2004, 18:55:47 »

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Dude! It's hard is'nt it! I really don't thinbk it is fear so much as it is just simple lack of PURE concentration. You really need to concentrate to reach OBE. Seriously, but those thoughts just won't leave me alone. Im going to try it again, and this time concentrate to the fullest extent untill I run out of mental juice.

In addition to concentration you need to let go-just imagine sinking deep into the edge of sleep while using that contentration to hang onto your concious awareness.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2004, 20:50:58 »

The point when most people lose control is durring the vibration stage. Just make sure that you dont concentrate at all on your physical body. Feel the things that happen with your astral body, but dont dwell on what just happened, instead dwell on what is going to happen. See if that helps
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2004, 23:33:32 »

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The point when most people lose control is durring the vibration stage. Just make sure that you dont concentrate at all on your physical body. Feel the things that happen with your astral body, but dont dwell on what just happened, instead dwell on what is going to happen. See if that helps




Yes, I get what you mean. When I reach the vibration state, my mind ALWAYS goes to focusing on my physical body, or at least most of the time. Or I get excited or move and kill the whole thing, it sucks [Tongue]. I guess I need a bit more mind control.
And, TheAgent, refering to your first post of this topic, my mental energy weakens a bit after each attempt as well. I hope to stop that from happening by practicing more concentration/visualization things, plus a little bit of NEW.
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2004, 12:32:12 »

Hey guys, I think an important trick is NOT to contentrate. If you can practice clearing your mind of those (damn) surface thoughts and leave your mind like a clear slate, absolutely no concentration is required. The clearness of mind leaves no space for thoughts to be generated...I find this is when it all begins to happen, and a strong trance state begins [|)]

What makes this easier, is that often once this stage is reached, even very concious thoughts usually will not be enough to break your state. Energy work helps ALOT! The separation should occur if all goes as planned.

Keep it up! [Cheesy] and kiauma is right on:

 
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2004, 13:03:25 »

mikeman:
"Hey guys, I think an important trick is NOT to contentrate. If you can practice clearing your mind of those (damn) surface thoughts and leave your mind like a clear slate, absolutely no concentration is required. The clearness of mind leaves no space for thoughts to be generated...I find this is when it all begins to happen, and a strong trance state begins"

That sounds good. I feel as though I am not concentrating enough however, maybe I AM concentrating too much and I just dont know it. Anyway, Ill try to do like you said, and do energy work if it really helps. Personally I think its a little boring and a bit too much work. (But that is my problem because Im lazy, Im trying to break that habit)
So basically youre saying, dont really concentrate, just clear your mind and (hopefully) everything else will come naturally? That actually sounds good, like I said, I shall try it today.
(I think I repeated myself way too much, so Ill just stop writing now) [Tongue]

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2004, 16:56:46 »

How long does it usually take to get an OBE?
I seem to have a similar problem. it's that i just get bored trying to leave (even with all the funny sensations) and then I lose concentration and stop.
Mikeman, that mind-clearing thing, does it work for you?  If one just meditates like that will an OBE happen?
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2004, 03:17:42 »

hey antigravity and findtruth

well, it does work for me, but I think everyone has their own techniques. I have been lucky in that OBEs started happening to me without any effort on my part. They just happened! sometimes while going to sleep, sometimes during meditation.

However, now i can sometimes bring in on conciously. I think you will find that once the mind is clear and your body goes to sleep(with your mind wide awake=lots or wierd sensations) you will be able to think much more clearly without coming out of trance. Make yourself feel as if you have no body and you are just floating in space. When you feel vibrations use a technique to get OB! If you were like me the first few attempts, you get a rush of adrenalin that can sometimes pull you out of it. I think you can beat this after your first few attempts.

As for how long it takes to OBE, its different for everyone! But energy work DOES HELP ALOT!! It is also important in spiritual development, so you cant go wrong. It will make OBEs alot more natural and common for most poeple.

Hope ive been of some help hehe, this is just what helps me. If anyone else has ideas, jump in

Good luck with your attempts! post them up [Cheesy]

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2004, 08:54:18 »

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hey antigravity and findtruth

well, it does work for me, but I think everyone has their own techniques. I have been lucky in that OBEs started happening to me without any effort on my part. They just happened! sometimes while going to sleep, sometimes during meditation.

However, now i can sometimes bring in on conciously. I think you will find that once the mind is clear and your body goes to sleep(with your mind wide awake=lots or wierd sensations) you will be able to think much more clearly without coming out of trance. Make yourself feel as if you have no body and you are just floating in space. When you feel vibrations use a technique to get OB! If you were like me the first few attempts, you get a rush of adrenalin that can sometimes pull you out of it. I think you can beat this after your first few attempts.

As for how long it takes to OBE, its different for everyone! But energy work DOES HELP ALOT!! It is also important in spiritual development, so you cant go wrong. It will make OBEs alot more natural and common for most poeple.

Hope ive been of some help hehe, this is just what helps me. If anyone else has ideas, jump in

Good luck with your attempts! post them up [Cheesy]

mikeman



I tried it yesterday and got a bit of weid sensations, now energy rush or anything. I was really unfocused/unconcentrated (is that a word!? lol) so that attempt didnt go well. I came back a few hours later, did a little energy work, concentration and visualization stuff, and layed down for practice. I used you technique with some other things Ive been doing and after a while I got this rush followed by small energy surges. Mostly in my head and legs. I geuss I ruined it because I was trying to hard to get out (and I knew I wasnt gonna make it because of that, but it felt like I had to "fight my way out). That didnt work, I just got tensed and f***ed it up. Oh well, Ill try again later today and let you know how it goes!
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2004, 12:13:09 »

don't forget your mind, keep saying "i want to project!" "i fear nothing" "i will not open my eyes" that will make you work harder and sometimes even notice your astral guides who will understand you better.
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2004, 13:12:11 »

Hello,

    This post is for the people on here who 'can't' astral project, slip to a Outer-Body-Experience.  There are two things that you guys need to know before any of you practice again.  

First:  The procedure's taken for a OBE/AP and To-Do's are to be done as a simple task, just as if you were to pour water into your plant in the kitchen.  The one and only non-arguable(SP?) reason you and thousands of others cant project is you Try too hard and get frustrated.  You lay in your bed or you are sitting in your lazy-boy doing these so-called Steps like its a rehearsed broadway play.

  Now listen,  I had this same problem for 7 months in a row, I was practicing 4 or 5 sometimes 9 times a day and getting to separation stages.  Then giving up. Or wandering what happened, telling or asking myself if i did the 'steps' right.

     Now here comes my point, you think about this, you will fail every time, or manage with extreme effort and little technique learned.  You must do what 'Mikeman' said before though I know none of you are going to listen but if you wish to Project, you must learn to let it happen naturally.  Dont get me wrong when I say I understand when some of you might think, "WHY do all these basterds explain 'how-to OBE' all metaphoricly and vague and say crap like 'Just let it happen' jeeeez just tell us the steps!"
See what I am saying?  There is no Steps, there is no step by step thinking procedure like a factory.

  People can only explain it to the best of there abilities and the hard part is you figuring out how 'easy' it REALLY is if you understand that statement.  

Second:  I'll discuss this after I hear some of you say you understand.  Cause added to the statement 'Mikeman' said, theres one last thing you can do one a set times every day to increase your concentration skillz, minimize all the muti-things happening around you, during the day, that distract you.  minimize it to one thing, and thats yourself, opening, widening your inner-self which is incredibly easy.  nothing hard about it.  

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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2004, 13:33:26 »

Yes I had the same things happen to me.  But I keep a log of every experiment.  

(I do not call it an attempt or try, from a psychological standpoint those words or any like them automatically signify that there is a possibility of failure.  The subconscious mind knows this.  With an experiment there is always a result of some kind that can be thought about with measurable results).[^]

What I have come to learn for me is that it is all part of the learning curve.  For example the incessant itching was very annoying.[Sad!]  But as I ignored it the itching went away, and now it never happens.  Then at each step along the way some new thing was introduced.  The body twitching, eyes trying to open, heart pounding more, breathing getting heavy, all of these things would pull the conscious mind into looking at that thing.  As I continued on each and every one of those things persisted and broke my concentration.  But when I decided to ignore them, the became weaker and weaker, and eventually I was able to not be distracted by them.[Smiley]

In the beginning, I almost gave up because nothing seemed to be working right.  It seemed like each time I overcame one problem, a new one would spring up.  I think it is just part of the process, like exercising some part of our brain or something.

I am just under a month now, and the other day I was laying in my bed about 2:30 in the morning not being able to go back to sleep.  So I decided to try to project.  When I got to the point of no-concentration, past they hypno stuff, my mind was clear.  I felt like I was floating in oblivion.  All of a sudden I had a feeling like a great rush forward.  My eyes saw a split second of building materials like the roof of my house.  Then all of a sudden I had complete and clear vision of the night time stars.  I felt like I was laying on the roof of my house.  I started to get excited, and everything started to fade.  I stopped all of my thoughts and emotions and it came back into view again.  I looked around, actually I did not, because that would have involved moving my head or something.  I guess I just observed what I could see.  It was the nighttime sky and it was beautiful.[Cheesy]  After a few minutes I  thought I will get up and look around to see what else I could see, and was back in my body. [Sad!]
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2004, 13:49:08 »

You are definently a faster learner than My ADHD self is.  But you learned quicker which is good.  can you aggree with me on some of the stuff I said, did it make sense? lol cause i didnt proof read it or anything, lol i just added a bunch of metaphores in hopes this will click in peoples heads
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2004, 13:09:09 »

Yes, I think you are headed in the right direction.  The more you learn the easier it will be.  

It is not that I am a fast learner or gifted or anything.  I spent 4-6 hours a day reading everything I could find about ap.  Donít think there is a link in Google that I have not clicked on.

Then I spent 4-6 hours a day reading and using the trial and error method.  Most everything that I have come up with here that helped me progress, I learned from this site.

Also I think the Brain wave generator helped me make a tremendous jump forward.

And it is something I have been wanting to do for oh, say 25  years?  My desire and intent are very strong.

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2004, 15:54:27 »




    Let me tell you, for me it is quite difficult to reach OBE, I've only reached partial separation, so I'm looking for ways in which I can better improve my chances.  One thing is consistent: My will and mental energy always weakens towards the end, when I am reaching success and I come out of trance.  Could it be subconcious? I think I have some fears, wheher it be of the unknown or something unclear I just run out of juice before I reach it.  Like, I always have this thing, right when I reach the separation point, that I can't go any further anymore, like my astral body won't go any further, and it keeps me from success.  This can get extremely frustrating......I don't know what else to say.......Any help?
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