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« on: March 16, 2010, 16:33:23 »

I can get into a trance state very easily, and then I get a buzzing/peeling sensation as my astral body 'pops' out of my physical (or how it feels).
I can feel my legs 'peel' apart and become seperate, and at first I always think it's just in my head (it doesn't seem to take very long these days - granted, I have been practicing about twice a day for the past 3 months) but I can think "legs, up up up" and they will float up very high. I think "Legs, stop" and they will stop. It also feels I can 'stretch out' my limbs or make them larger then they physically are, and the way I move is not the same as the physical. I move by willing myself to that place, not by actually moving.
Here's the problem.
Everytime I'm only attached by my head and it starts to detach, I stop the process, because I'm scared of seeing (I know it sounds stupid..) a dead person (think the grudge) standing beside me staring at me, or throwing my Astral body around, etc.
I've already encountered negative beings and know how to handle it so I don't know why I'm being such a chicken  rolleyes

How was everybodys first time experience?
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 17:08:27 »

You're being a "chicken" because you're afraid of the unknown... there's nothing wrong with that, it's perfectly normal.
Hang out in the Trance state for a bit if you want.  Get more comfortable there first, then move on.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 17:15:53 »

Yeah, just dive in head first. Before you attempt, tell yourself that no matter what happens you'll be safe, and have the intent to see through the fear if it comes up - KNOW that you'll be OK. After one or two good OBE's, the fear will turn into wonder and excitement.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 17:26:00 »

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The problem has been simply that mystics have always thought they were projecting to some place outside of themselves. Yet what you are actually viewing, within Focus 2 of consciousness, are the objective representations of your very own belief constructs. So if you actually believe the Astral is packed full of demons and devils... then demons and devils you shall perceive. Because what you are actually viewing are the objective representations of your own beliefs. People have the idea that "the Astral" is a weird and magical place where you get all manner of Alice in Wonderland effects such as your thoughts coming to life. Many mystics just accept this as a given and lead people into thinking they could possibly meet up with all manner of doom, gloom and danger.
If there is something you don't get from that text, reading the entire article would help. But it is what i marked bold that is your problem.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 20:26:51 »

Pretend there's a hot supermodel on the other side, that'll cure your apprehensions real quick  cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 21:05:36 »

Pretend there's a hot supermodel on the other side, that'll cure your apprehensions real quick  cheesy
HA!  That'll probably just induce a sexual state that would bring your attention back to your physical body.  LoL
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2010, 06:49:50 »

Quoted from http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.htmlIf there is something you don't get from that text, reading the entire article would help. But it is what i marked bold that is your problem.

See, I know that the Astral world is not filled with demons and such, my problem is that I know that if I think of scary beings/things then they will appear in the Astral, because of my mind. And it seems just because I know that, I can't stop thinking about it lol
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 06:57:23 »

See, I know that the Astral world is not filled with demons and such, my problem is that I know that if I think of scary beings/things then they will appear in the Astral, because of my mind. And it seems just because I know that, I can't stop thinking about it lol

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2010, 14:45:53 »

I stop the process, because I'm scared of seeing (I know it sounds stupid..) a dead person (think the grudge) standing beside me staring at me



That is almost EXACTLY what I am afraid of, seeing a girl like on The Grudge or The Ring. But in my mind if something like that happened, they would be screaming or making extremely odd noises, and that would definitely be enough terrify me. And that is the only thing holding me back, demons or the unknown don't really induce fear. I'm trying to get over this at the moment though. I got to the vibration state and started seeing stars last night, I also felt like I was floating in the middle of nothing but blackness, but then stopped because I kept imagining that girl. I took my blindfold off and my vision was pretty weird, but I was awake.
At least I know I'm getting somewhere, now I just need to get over the fear of those stupid dead girls Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2010, 15:12:47 »

That is almost EXACTLY what I am afraid of, seeing a girl like on The Grudge or The Ring. But in my mind if something like that happened, they would be screaming or making extremely odd noises, and that would definitely be enough terrify me. And that is the only thing holding me back, demons or the unknown don't really induce fear. I'm trying to get over this at the moment though. I got to the vibration state and started seeing stars last night, I also felt like I was floating in the middle of nothing but blackness, but then stopped because I kept imagining that girl. I took my blindfold off and my vision was pretty weird, but I was awake.
At least I know I'm getting somewhere, now I just need to get over the fear of those stupid dead girls Tongue
The problem is... that *IS* what you're going to see.
You're attempting to venture into an area of consciousness where THOUGHT = DIRECT ACTION.

So the moment you start getting scared... you'll start seeing stuff that scares you...
And then you'll get more scared... which will cause MORE scary stuff.

Have no expectations.
Control your thought and emotional output.

Do those two things and you won't have any issues.

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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2010, 15:43:25 »

Yeah, Ryan is right.   grin

I haven't consciously projected for like three years, due to fear.  I had put too much thought and energy into a big disagreement on these boards, about negative entities.  I should have been satisfied with my own opinion and personal experience, so not to get drawn into the negative talk, day in and day out. 

After quite some time of the same arguing over and over, I started having less than positive experiences.  They had managed to pull me into "their" reality.  It's a bad cycle to be caught in because you have people that are encouraging people to think like this and it causes it to grow in numbers, feeding the reality, if you will.   I'm not back on the horse completely yet, oh.. but I will be.  grin

It's not a bad thing to think positive and happy, all the time if you can!  You might want to stop watching scary crap too.  That might sound silly, but it works.  smiley

Good luck!  smiley
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2010, 16:15:38 »

Thanks fellas.
I do have a couple more questions haha. Sorry if you think I'm asking too many, I just want to go in with the highest level of understanding that I possibly can.

I know about how fearful thoughts will create fearful experiences, but what about anger?
For example..

A) How long would a fearful thought have to enter my mind for it to become reality?

B) Say I go in, and I am confronted by something which manifested because I feared it would. My immediate reaction here (as it is in the physical world) will be to wonder why this being is confronting me and making me scared, and then in turn that will do nothing but make me angry at the fact that it's there making me scared. What sort of effect will this create?


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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2010, 16:20:29 »

I know about how fearful thoughts will create fearful experiences, but what about anger?
Anger is still an emotion.  So the result would have you enter an anger filled environment.  Something that would trigger more anger from you.

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A) How long would a fearful thought have to enter my mind for it to become reality?
Immediately.

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B) Say I go in, and I am confronted by something which manifested because I feared it would. My immediate reaction here (as it is in the physical world) will be to wonder why this being is confronting me and making me scared, and then in turn that will do nothing but make me angry at the fact that it's there making me scared. What sort of effect will this create?
It'll change the environment from something of a fearful nature to one that will be angering for you.
What you need to do is recognize these changes for what they are... fueled by your thoughts and emotions.
To stop it, you need to close off your thoughts and emotions from the reality around you.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2010, 16:47:18 »

the best thing you can do is just do it and see what happens.

i guess i was always too excited to be afraid.  the bodily sensations freaked me out a bit during exit the first couple times, but i was never afraid of the OOB environment or inhabitants.

just do it and you'll see that you're "invincible"
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2010, 19:46:48 »

In my personal experience, I have never run across an entity that I was afraid of. I've run across entities, but most, if not all were very benign. They seemed to be without emotion and were just as curious about me as I was of them.

I also believe that being of pure heart and spirit has a lot to do with it. I try to keep a positive mental attitude and keep my mind free of anything negative. If something evil were to confront me, it wouldn't know how to handle me.  grin

So, if you have any evil in your heart, or are a non caring, selfish, immoral individual, you might have good reason to be afraid of what's out there. BTW, I'm not implying that you are, I'm just saying "IF".  grin
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2010, 16:12:09 »

Thanks guys.

And I'm the same as you jub jub, I am basically never in a negative state of mind. Maybe sometimes doubtful of being able to control myself in fearful situations, but that's about it. But I think I've figured out why I fear these demonic female types.. It stems from my own belief that a guy should never become aggressive towards a girl, so in my mind, they are really the only ones who can physically harm me and all I could do is accept it. So maybe that's why I fear coming face to face with a Noira (The Ring) type of entity. But someone said something in one of my other posts that has basically taken every worry I had and made them seem foolish. I think I can confidently deal with anything I encounter now. He basically said that he thinks of negative entities as a test he has to pass to have a positive experience, and that to me sounds like a fantastic way of looking at it.
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2010, 22:30:00 »

Jub Jub long time...... hope all is well with ya and nice to see ya again...!

Pure in heart, working towards positive experiences and not focusing on greed, intent, hurting or pretending there is some kinda of power you have when projecting.

Missym,

take your time and inch yourself out little by little - take small steps, not gigantic one's. It is scary out there the first time so relax and focus on positive.

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2010, 23:38:11 »

Hey TVOS! All is well here and hope all is well on your end!

I must be weird because I have never met an entity that I felt wanted to do e harm. I wonder if having pre-conceived notions has something to do with it. I mean, if you know they can't harm you, what is there to be afraid of?
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2010, 01:00:18 »

You're not weird Jub-jub, I went years, and years without any real negative experiences.  I believe it is a state of mind..well, more than that, but basically that.  grin
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2010, 12:47:24 »

Hi Missy, I have never met a negative entity even though they are sometimes in my thoughts. But I have spontaneous OBE's so I guess it's different for you. But I can tell that when I am out of body I am much less afraid than in daytime reality. And thoughts of monsters or negative things don't even enter my mind, I am so engaged with what I see and that I want to explore it. Anyway, here is the link of my first OBE, and it was great! Hope you will succeed soon.  smiley

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/my_first_obe-t30081.0.html
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2010, 13:55:57 »

Hey TVOS! All is well here and hope all is well on your end!

I must be weird because I have never met an entity that I felt wanted to do e harm. I wonder if having pre-conceived notions has something to do with it. I mean, if you know they can't harm you, what is there to be afraid of?
That's exactly what I believe.
And the reasoning behind it is very simple... your thoughts, emotions and expectations make up 100% of what you experience on the Astral.
If you think there's bad stuff out there that is going to harm you, you will find such stuff.

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2010, 11:48:27 »

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Insane. At first I didn't realize what had happened, because it happened so fast without realizing it. I was rolling around on my couch trying to get the vibrations to stop because I needed rest. Then I feel a common floating feeling I usually feel when zoning out or whatever. Then I start to feel weird, awkward. I thought I'd get up and get a drink of water or something. I went to get up then realized I was on the floor. I was really puzzled because I had no break in consciousness and wasn't even close to falling asleep so I figured I would have noticed if I fell onto the floor. I shrugged it off as just weird and proceeded to go to my kitchen. I started feeling really messed up, like a very drunk feeling and slightly nauseated. I didnt make it half way to the kitchen before I decided instead to go lay back down on the couch. I turned around and saw myself already laying down on the couch then realized what had happened.

 It was a rush. I have had other projections and the like but that was the first time from waking consciousness without a break in consciousness. Its been quite a bit of years since I first became interested in projection following an accidental one during meditation. When you are in the stage of separation you can tell the difference between willing to move and physical type of movement. But once you are out and solidified into that experience it feels exactly like it does to move in the physical. You have to really lose, relinquish your attachment to the physical body before the movement feels more natural. It's been almost 8 years or so (Im terrible with time) but as of yet no encounters with anything remotely negative. I think this has more to do with the person than anything else. 
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2010, 02:22:04 »

I have the same problem as Palooza and Missym. I know how to astral project, I just can't get the right mindset. As I've mentioned before, when i try to project, it feels as if something is pulling and pushing my legs with strong power.
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