I still can't have any OBE

[Georgep]

Hello!

I discovered that humans can have OBEs about 2 months ago. From then, I am trying to have an OBE. I think I've tried everything. From listening to binaural beats to just relaxing with closed eyes and using methods such as the "rope method" e.t.c., but I can't do it.

In all of my efforts, I think that 5-6 times I felt vibrations to my body, but nothing more that this. Only one time, when I had lots of time to try, I laid down and tried, with binaural beats, to reach an OBE and from the fifth second of listening I felt a very big jerk of my left shoulder. I got afraid and stopped. I know that I had to continue, but it was late in the midnight and... I'm sure you know how I felt.

Please, do you know any method that it may help me? Or any good binaural beat?

Thanks in advance.  

*Sorry for my english. 

[Rudolph]

You could try obe4u.com

good luck!

[Georgep]

Thank you rudolph! Ill give it a try!

[Lionheart]

 Check out this new set of videos from Robert Bruce's new book Astral Projection Mastery. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNal9_-cyQA&list=PLA62BEC52C9D60C0A&feature=plcp&context=C39bf86dFDOEgsToPDskK4i8hJnTFdsJmkGG1PX0m6
 Good Luck 

[Georgep]

Thanks for you reply Lionheart  
I saw Bob's videos, but he is not saying anything else than what I already know. I am out of ideas. I don't know what else to try.  

[proyect_outzone]

You make only active OBE-Attempts, but it doesnt work for you, so you should try to make an passive OBE-Attempt. Here the Basics for it:

*Active components are actions which require action from the physical body. These are not so easy like the passive components. Active are
-breathing techniques are very active
-eye movement is medium active
-constant observing (feeling) of the physical body medium active
-emotions can cause medium till high active, this includes anticipation for the expected things, fears and similar emotional feelings.

**Passive components are actions, which does not require action from the physical body. They are much easier. Passive are:
-Thoughts are medium passive, the unconscious layer (second layer) of thoughts is extremely passive.
-Hearing is medium passive. But hearing of sudden and not constant sounds and noises is very acctive.
-the pure focus on supernatural abilities (without usint anything of the phsical body) is very passive
-hypnagogig images are very passive
-visualisations and imaginations are also very passive

The OBE atempt can have two main courses. The active course and the passive course. Both are completely different. The active course leads to vibrations, while the passive course leads to sleep paralysis. Try it out!

But note: Too active courses leads to beeing awake, while too passive courses leads to fast falling asleep. But this affects only experienced users, because it needs practice too make the activity or passivity perfect.

[Georgep]

Thank you very much for your response proyect_outzone.

Passive methods are like when you sleep to get on lucid dream e.t.c.? I couldn't undestand very much what you mean with your message. Could you, please, be more descriptive?

Thanks in advance.

[proyect_outzone]

The diffrence between them is, if you use only passive components, you will have an completely other course before your Exit phase, than when you use active components.

In the applying of out of body experience methods it comes to varying results. Much importance in these processes has, in addition to the choice of the basic method, particulary every little thing, that one does during the method. Does one look around or pays attention to breathing or feels the own body constantly to monitor the smallest changes. Each of these seemingly insignificant actions can have serious effects on the course of the attempt.

Active and passive components can be used to control the process of relaxation and falling asleep. Intentional use of them has much, much bigger impact, than many methods.

[Georgep]

And where can I find information to have a passive OBE-attempt?

Thanks again in advance! 

[proyect_outzone]

You need just to make during the attemt none of the above mentioned active components or as less active components as possible. You should make only passive components.

Example: A person made till now a breathing technique. He heared to the noises of the surrounding. This person likes it to look around for every change (with closed eyes).

I sayd above:

-breathing techniques are very active
-eye movement is medium active
.....
-Hearing is medium passive. But hearing of sudden and not constant sounds and noises is very acctive.

The person must replace the breathing technique with something other. And the person should think about to stop the physical eye movements. But the hearing of noises is already passive.

[Georgep]

That sounds easy but... is it effective?

I'll give it a try in the night. Thank you very much! 

[proyect_outzone]

It is more effective than the choice of methods, because you take more direct influence.

[Lionheart]

 Georgep, did you just hear about this or did you have an experience related to this? This does make a difference that's why I am asking.

[Georgep]

Georgep, did you just hear about this or did you have an experience related to this? This does make a difference that's why I am asking.

You mean about astral project? I heard about it. I didn't have any experience ever.

[Shivers]

Hi George,
Perhaps you are already on the right track with looking at what you've already experienced with vibrations and perhaps your shoulder jerking(inner sensation or actual physical shoulder moving?).
I think don't give up.  
Keep listening to the binaural beats and do whatever technique you are using and just completely relax into any sensations you are experiencing(lose all your worries but don't go to sleep).  If you feel something, try to keep being as a passive observer and don't feel fear or over-excitement.
If you get these sensations you are talking about and relax into them you will find that the sensations will become even more pronounced.  A vibration can lead to a loud roaring/buzzing noise(etc) and your inner body or whatever you want to call it, will suddenly start to rise or shoot off some where.  That's what usually happens with me anyway.
With the sensations that a person gets before AP or during, there's nothing at all to be frightened of.