I still can't have any OBE

[Xanth]

Hello again!
I don't know what else to do. I think that I have tried everything you told me.

In nine days?

Try it for nine MONTHS first.  Then claim it doesn't work for you.

That's what I mean by you're impatient.  You're probably going to be on this Earth for *MANY MANY* years... enjoy the time. 

I am going to tell you what i'm doing when i'm trying to astral project, so, you can maybe tell me what I am doing wrong.
When I am trying to astral project, I just lay on my bed and try to meditate. I am trying to relax all of my body. After some time, I feel that my body is numb. Sometimes, for example, if my fingers the time that I layed down were like a punch, I feel them like they are "free". I can't describe this 100%. I feel them that they are not like a punch now. That's the best I can do while I meditate. Some other times I start to dream -like day-dreaming- and suddenly I ''go back'' to my body and tell myself "I was dreaming now?". I think that I am a bit confused now. Sometimes I am trying to phase (I just try to see the blackness of my eyes) and some others I am just staying "there" doing nothing, not even thinking, but I can't reach the vibrational state or any other thing.

Can you please, tell me a.... program I can follow when I am meditating?

Thanks!  

Meditation.

I just posted a new series of videos on my site about Meditation... you might enjoy listening to them.
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/02/19/adyashanti-true-meditation-series/

[Georgep]

Thank you Xanth. 

I just don't know if I am doing it right. That's why I am "impatient". 

[Xanth]

And you're probably asking yourself that WHILE you're practicing.
Asking yourself this question is too analytical.  Just relax and allow the experience to happen.

Get rid of any expectations and assumptions you have regarding meditation. 

[Georgep]

And you're probably asking yourself that WHILE you're practicing.

That's right 

Thanks again Xanth 

[Georgep]

Wow, I just have had my first  lucid dream, but I am not sure. I woke up at around 4. I had been sleeping for 1 hour. At 3 I tried to OOBE, but I fall asleep. Then, at 4 I tried again. 15 minutes before now, the time I am posting this, I .... Was at another room in my house, with all the lights closed sitting in the chair and suddenly I saw a light from a flashlight and I thought off "it is my mom and she wants to see if I am sleeping". Then, in the dark I saw a head, probably it was... Me, as I can remember how it looked like, and was looking at me and I think that I've been scared and that's the reason I shout "mom, is that you?". Then, I woke up with all my body feeling pitching. Anything it may was, and as long as it may durate, it was perfect. Also, I want to tell that it was so real, that it was like I actually was there, I am not sure if I could.... think what to do, but it was so much real, that I could see colors. For example, I still remember the flashlight and I still now ask myself "Was it real? It was so... Alive".

I forgot to say that I was sleeping before I first saw me sitting on that chair. I didn't have any "exit" from my body, as I can remember, e.t.c. I just woke up there, in the darkness.

Also, another thing is that, I am not totally sure about it, I heard a voice when I woke up. I don't remember what it told me, I just remember I heard something. I am 98% that I heard that voice.

[NoY]

Congratz 


:NoY:

[Georgep]

Can someone please maybe tell me if that it was a lucid dream or an OOBE (which had some strange events -like I saw a head in the dark e.t.c.-)? As I've said before, when I woke up all of my body was pitching. Is this a thing that you can "achieve" after an OOBE or from a Lucid Dream too?

Thanks in advance!

[Lionheart]

 I would say you had a classic OBE. A Lucid Dream is where you become aware in an already dream state. They are one in the same though. I have a number of Phase sessions when I am physical one moment and Astral the next without having any feeling of leaving my body. It's just turning one switch off and another one on.
 Congratulations on your first success, may you have many more!  

[Georgep]

I would say you had a classic OBE. A Lucid Dream is where you become aware in an already dream state. They are one in the same though. I have a number of Phase sessions when I am physical one moment and Astral the next without having any feeling of leaving my body. It's just turning one switch off and another one on.
 Congratulations on your first success, may you have many more!  

Thanks Lionheart. You really made my day. 
I'll try again tonight. I hope I'll have an OOBE again, 'cause it was a wonderful feeling.
Thanks again!

[Xanth]

Thanks Lionheart. You really made my day. 
I'll try again tonight. I hope I'll have an OOBE again, 'cause it was a wonderful feeling.
Thanks again!

My opinion...

If you're consciously aware of who you are (ie: You know your history, your life, where you work... you know the being that is you) while you're in a reality which you recognize as NOT being this physical reality... then you're "projecting".

Lucid... astral... whatever... that doesn't matter.  The point is that you became consciously aware while in a different reality. 

Grats!

[Rudolph]

Then, in the dark I saw a head, probably it was... Me

Sounds like classic OBE projection. Excellent start.

Question, re: the "Head" and "flashlight"...

Have you spent any serious time studying Hermetic or Rosicrucian type subjects?

You wonder if it is real? Of course it is real, but on an Inner Level that is connected to this physical awareness but not the way so many try to make it.

[Georgep]

Have you spent any serious time studying Hermetic or Rosicrucian type subjects?

No, I haven't.

You wonder if it is real? Of course it is real, but on an Inner Level that is connected to this physical awareness but not the way so many try to make it.

Sorry for asking you all the time guys, but my English are not so good and I can't undestand everything very good.
What you mean with "but not the way so many try to make it" Rudolph?


Today, I've been thinking of my experience every hour. I can't... Forget it. As I've said before, it was something so fantastic and strange, together and I found another thing that it got me thinking again for the event I had (whatever it was: a lucid dream or an OOBE). As I said, in my experience I saw a flashlight and a head. The room I was it communicates directly with another room and they have a door between them. That door, every time it is closed, but in my experience it wasn't. The light was coming from the other room, and as I can remember, the door was open. Can this mean anything more?

Also, the time I saw... the head (that I am 98% sure that it was my head), I could only see it when the light got on it.


Sorry for being so analytical.

[embrace]

Don't bother with all those techniques until you learn how to achieve a conscious sleep paralysis. All the techniques are to be used WHEN YOU GET INTO SLEEP PARALYSIS (I wish somebody had told me this when I was struggling with it). So, focus on sleep paralysis - once you get it right, it will be very easy to achieve an OOBE from there.

[Lionheart]

 I have found that a Light/Sound Machine will put you in a state of sleep paralysis in less than 15 minutes. It becomes a great launching pad to the Astral.There are many different ones on the market. It is well worth the price if you are really serious and shows yourself your true level of commitment. But you can definitely learn to do it without a machine, the L/S machine just creates a shortcut. I have been studying it's effect to see if it could truly aide someone brand new to this concept to achieve quick success. It is training wheels, but you can always take training wheels off once you don't need them anymore.

[Xanth]

Don't bother with all those techniques until you learn how to achieve a conscious sleep paralysis. All the techniques are to be used WHEN YOU GET INTO SLEEP PARALYSIS (I wish somebody had told me this when I was struggling with it). So, focus on sleep paralysis - once you get it right, it will be very easy to achieve an OOBE from there.

Sleep Paralysis isn't required.  Just thought I'd point that out.