I still can't have any OBE

[Georgep]

Thanks for your response shivers  
I am going right now to have another try, with binaural beats. Do you know any good beat that it is more effective than others that we can find on the web?

your shoulder jerking(inner sensation or actual physical shoulder moving?).

I am not sure if it was an inner sensation or an actual physical move, but it was a very powerful jerk(!), and I got it from the fifth second of listening to the beat!

[Georgep]

Another try, another fail 
I tried to AP and then I... fell asleep 

Also, I want to tell you another event that I had. I was on my bed, lying face down. I was telling myself "Now you will have an AP" again and again, with taking deep breaths... Then, suddenly my heart was beating at I think 150BPM  , but as you already understood, I've been scared from this and stopped.   

[proyect_outzone]

Then, suddenly my heart was beating at I think 150BPM  grin, but as you already understood, I've been scared from this and stopped.   

You had an rare kind of Vibration state. This kind is, of course, really scaring.

[Shivers]

Hi George,
Uhhh, I've never used binaural beats to have an Ap Only because I've never heard of them until joining this forum just recently.
It seems that many people here tend to use the beats to help them and I've given it a try recently as well but that was not successful for me.  Seem to be getting into what's called f2(I think) and getting visual bits and pieces but haven't got any further(yet anyway )

You know, I think in general people may try to have an Obe while retiring for the night or during relaxation.  If it's successful for them I think that's fantastic.  But if I try it, I only end up falling asleep too and for the whole night.

My Ap's usually happen while taking a day-time nap and then it's by accident.  Usually if I have a nap, it's because I'm bored and a little physically tired.  Halfway through the nap, I wake up yet my body is still asleep and then the signs of an Obe start happening(vibrations, visual signs, buzzing/roaring noise).

So in the end, it is worth experimenting with trying to Ap either at night, during a nap or during relaxation-you have to go with what works for you and everyone's different.  The first step I feel is to gain awareness while asleep if that's something you would try.  Or you could also try what's called "phasing", some people seem to have success with this and it's something that I'm currently trying.
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html  Please read the section "B) What is 'Phasing', and how can I do it?"
There is alot of easy to understand information.

Lastly- I think the main point Frank Kepple may be trying to put across is to get away from constantly saying/thinking to yourself during an attempt that "Now you will have an Ap" and instead try to notice what is actually happening while your eyes are closed.  What do you see?   What do you hear?  

[Lionheart]

 That's called "noticing" Shivers and it works really well. One thing I can say to George is to try projecting from a comfortable chair or some other area than the bed. All your life you train yourself that your bed is for sleeping in. That's why it is so easy to doze off while attempting an OBE. I just posted this on another thread here and I think this will help you as well.
 "Hello, it looks like you are showing progress here. But, to truly be successful with anything in life you have to go through a learning curve. This involves showing a level of commitment to your desired task. Many of your questions can be answered by the PDF's and Primers that some of the participants here put a lot of time and effort into so you could have success just like them. The key here is you need to search these for your answers. I started Phasing last year in March and still everyday read PDF's, books and watch videos on Astral Travel. There is a wealth of information to be found on this subject here, on You Tube and even with a simple Google search. Do the work and you will reap the rewards.
 Good Luck and Safe Travels" 

[Contenteo]

I failed and failed and failed, and then the day I succeeded I wrote this:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_steps_to_success_in_your_first_projections-t33998.0.html

...with the hopes of helping people who may have been in the same situation I was. 

I also constructed a framework for phasing:

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h438/Robert_Carbone/Contenteos2011ConceptualFramework.jpg

These two tools should be enough to help you identify with what you might be going wrong. I fear it is something super-basic, like making sure you have a mature F10 state.

Good Luck

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Georgep]

i think that I am one step closer!  
Ten minutes ago, I was trying to have an obe on my bed. I tried the "passive" way. I was laying and I was seeing the darkness off my eyes. Then, suddenly big circles started to come in front of my eyes and I was trying to follow them. As I was following them, I felt my eyelids blinking and then, I suddenly could see outside my eyes. I was seeing my ceiling and my lamp that it is on it. I am not sure if my eyes were open and that made me could see, but I think that they were closed. I tried to continue, but I couldn't 'cause some thoughts came on my mind and I couldn't be concentrated at it anymore.

Sorry for my english, but I'm so excited for, I think, being closer that I can't write better now  

Do you think that I was able to see without my eyes or the "blinking" made me see?

[proyect_outzone]

Do you think that I was able to see without my eyes or the "blinking" made me see?

Both is possible. I got the problem, that my eyes opens a bit if i observe during deep relaxation too focused.

But i know also experiences, where i saw my room with closed eyes (It looked often diffrent and not only my room was visible). 

[Georgep]

Thanks for your reply proyect.

I want to ask something more. While I was trying to have an OBE, simultaneously, when my eyes started to blink, my heart started to beat faster e.t.c. But then, I couldn't know what to do. I think that that is the matter that various thoughts came on my mind, 'cause I was trying to find a way to "get out of my body". I remember that I tried the Rope Method, but it didn't work. Then I lost the symptoms (fast heart beating, vibrations e.t.c.). What do you think that I have to do if I reach this state again?

Thanks in advance. 

[proyect_outzone]

What do you think that I have to do if I reach this state again?

Train to imagine different kinds of movements now, while you are awake. Some of them are easy for you, others are hard to imagine. Try the most easy movement during relaxation instead of the rope.

The other thing is, that you tried it too early. It will not be succesful while you still feel some thing from your physical body. This includes the heartbeat. Its part of the vibration state, but the most vibration states occurs much too early.

Practice in the next week the perfection of the passive component. Try during it to focus on hypnagogics instead of the physical view.

If your relaxation process needs too much time, try to count with this method (phase 2 or 3) till 40 before you begin with the other methods. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/a_new_and_interesting_relaxation_method-t36154.0.html

[Georgep]

Practice in the next week the perfection of the passive component. Try during it to focus on hypnagogics instead of the physical view.

What are hypnagogics? Can you give me an example? I couldn't find anything.

If your relaxation process needs too much time, try to count with this method (phase 2 or 3) till 40 before you begin with the other methods. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/a_new_and_interesting_relaxation_method-t36154.0.html

I don't really know how to use this method, but Ill try it. Basically, I do not know if I'm doing it in the correct way.

[proyect_outzone]

What are hypnagogics? Can you give me an example? I couldn't find anything.

You should read as next all basics about OBE. Without knowing the basics, you will NEVER have an OBE.

Basics are:

-what happens before a OBE
-When is the exit phase and how can you determine the right time

Without theoretical stuff can you try it for several months or years without any success. Knowing this two things is more important than the method, which you use.

Hypnagogic Images belong to the basics. These images are vieved already long time before falling asleep.

I don't really know how to use this method, but Ill try it. Basically, I do not know if I'm doing it in the correct way.

The use is explained there. A general explantation would end in another replic of this text.  If you don't understand something specific, ask me in this topic.

[Georgep]

Everything I try is a total failure. Everything. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been trying "phasing" the past days without success. What am I doing wrong?  

[Lionheart]

 It's probably because you have haven't read any of the tons of info that can be found on this site. I tell people over and over again, do not try to project from your bed and yet I still read about them falling asleep while trying to project from beds. We can help people to achieve success but you have to do what is said to you to get there. We have proven it works, now you just have to decide how bad you want it. Xanth made a PDF that has over a thousand posts answering hundreds of questions by a gentleman named Frank Kepple. Yes it takes time to read it, but it pays off in the end. Some people come here and expect instant success, others have been attempting projection for years and are still at it. You will be successful when you finally choose/will yourself to be. It's that easy. When you get vibrations/hypnogogs ignore them, you must have the mindset that I am in it as far as it takes . Bob Monroe talks about having a fear of death when he first attempted, he says the way he got over it was with the mindset that if it happens and he dies, so be it. That is the only way to succeed here, you have to be willing to risk all, but then after you do this once and see you are still alive everything gets easier.
 Good Luck .

[Xanth]

Yes, that's probably the best point to make.

You *will* need to learn to be patient.  Especially if you're the kind of person with a very active mind that is hard to "keep quiet"... because that will work against you.

You need to learn to meditate.  You need to learn to shut off your mind... and what you're posting kind of shows the exact opposite.