I still can't have any OBE

[Georgep]

Hello Contenteo.

Believe me, I try everything you tell me. I also read what you give me and search for other sources about AP.

I'm not sure if you mean this ("you want instant results...couch there for 15 mins."). You mean this or you just make fun?  
As I've told in other posts, when I'm trying to AP, I stay still on my bed/chair for much mins. Sometimes, I stay there for hours. Still, without moving, and after 15-20 minutes I feel my hands hard to move and heavy. I also feel that they are out of my body (only my hands), but I can't do anything to move them.

[P5ynergy]

hi georgpe

maybe i can help you.

I was a complete skeptic about Astral projecting , having only been aware of it watching the horror movie "insidious" . As someone who is curious about it ,I discovered that was some real substance to it, so I tried about 100 times. Then i manage to do it within about 3 months . Now that was 4 months ago , ive tried again ever since and i keep failing , but i suspect ive done Lucid->OBe but maybe i was having a dream that I was aping.

What I can say is that it took me a damn 2 hours to do it first time . The first 1 hour 45 mins was crap. Was me just lying like a dummy getting excited at any small vibration even if it was simply pins and needles. But then it kinda happened - hughvibration all over , a repeating noise , and I was still fully aware at this point. Now I think basically for the first 1 1/2 hours I actually went into a light sleep. This was at lunch time. One of those where you can wake up really easily but your also semi-dreaming. I think this is what set me up to do the AP in the last half hour and it came on very quick.

So maybe the key is to have a snooze first. dont even think of APing . just have an hour snooze. Then when you wake up , then try again.

what I found when I was aping or at the heavy vibration stage that allowed me to move out of my body , was that I was very fully aware. Infact I was recalling tips from this forum whilst it was all happening. THis has led me to believe that you shouldnt need to go into a hypnogogic state because I think that in this state you either lose focus or you regain focus but you snap out so much you end up pretty much awake.

One thing ive learnt but Its not helped so far but will probably, is to not try and get too fustrated , because its this fustration that will prevent you from Aping.

also 5 minutes of meditation before hand will really help , dont underestimate it.

Take it from me , APing is REAL. I play way too much computer games (starcraft 2 , 4 hours a day)  and have a stressful job , my mind is like a tornado of random thoughts (mostly starcraft 2 build orders and strategies) . If I can do it , so can you .

so please george ...BELIEVE you will eventually do it. That is part of what will make it successful for you.

good luck . pm if you got further questions.

[Xanth]

Hello Contenteo.

Believe me, I try everything you tell me. I also read what you give me and search for other sources about AP.

There's a saying "practice makes perfect"... I'm sure you've heard of it.

Well, it's wrong.

You can practice something as much as you want and unless you practice it perfectly (or relatively close), you'll never learn it.

"PERFECT practice makes perfect"

You're practicing, but you still probably don't understand what it is you're doing.

You're "missing" something.  I'd suggest go back, re-read my eBook and see if you can figure out what it is.  I'll give you one of them... and I mentioned this before, you're impatient.  You'll need to work on that first... learn to meditate.  BECOME PATIENCE.

[Georgep]

I re-read Xanth's book and I have one question about "Phase". The last days I'm trying to AP through phasing. I just have one question. When Im ... "Phasing", can I daydream in order not to get disturbed by thoughts? Or I have to be completely passive?

Thanks!

[Xanth]

Those are two separate exercises.

One is the Mental Rundown, the other is "Noticing".

[Contenteo]

Exactly. Two different tactics.

You'll find both foster the same goal, passive disconnectedness. When you phase, you won't know that you phased because you'll be so wrapped up in your daydream/noticing. You'll know that process began, and can think about it. but the really good exits are the ones that just happen.

It's like going to sleep. When you think about sleeping, you stay awake. You can't get to sleep. Same goes for phasing.

Sounds like your on a good track.

Good Luck.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Georgep]

Hi again!

After all these months, with so much effort given from me, I didn't achieve anything else from the lucid dream/OBE I talked about in an earlier post.
I'm starting to lose my faith about APs e.t.c. I don't know what to do. I, also, don't know why I'm writing this post to you. Maybe I need some more advice. Maybe I need some help to start believing in this again. I don't really know. I have already started giving up.

[todd421757]

Georgep,

One last technique you can try. Look towards the bottom of the link for: "What’s the secret of turning ASP into OBE?", and follow the instructions exactly. I had an OBE this morning by doing this particular technique.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/asp.htm

[Xanth]

It took me over 10 years to figure out projection on my own... everything I know is in my ebook which, I believe, you've already read.

Sometimes you just need to make your own discoveries.

I'd suggest not bothering with astral projection and just work on trying to relax and calm your mind.  That seems to be your #1 problem in my opinion.

Astral Projection will come naturally after you've managed that.

[Georgep]

Georgep,

One last technique you can try. Look towards the bottom of the link for: "What’s the secret of turning ASP into OBE?", and follow the instructions exactly. I had an OBE this morning by doing this particular technique.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/asp.htm

The only part, which is essential, and I do not understand, is this: Second, try to push forward with your consciousness and imagine that your consciousness is moving forward.
How can I "push" my consciousness?

everything I know is in my ebook which, I believe, you've already read.

I've read it already twice. 

Thank you very much for your responses!

[Szaxx]

Hi George,
If you can give a detailed description of what you do complete with all the things you noticed then that info could disclose anything that could be preventing you from succeeding.
You have read lots and Im sure have a suitable course of action that works best for you but something is amiss.
You'll do this with the correct sequence and the required mindset. Its just a matter of time.
 Please be patient, this can't be stressed enough.

[P5ynergy]

Hi heres a way of doing it

Step 1 : wake up 2 hours earlier then normal.
Step 2 : take a leak , blow your nose etc
Step 3 : maintain your grogginess
Step 4 : find a couch
Step 5 : close eyes and free mind of thoughts (should be easy as your groggy)
Step 6 : start to feel paraylsis after around 30 minutes or heavy vibration
Step 7 : dont panic , dont get too excited . Will yourself to partially sit up or roll off couch.

Seems your problem is an over active mind. If you do the morning thing , the grogginess deals with it . Dont bother trying to ap at any other time unless you have full calm control. I know i dont and i only do it in morning . Had 4th sucess this morning .

[Xanth]

How can I "push" my consciousness?

I do this as well in conjunction with the Noticing exercise.

It's to describe how you "push" your consciousness forward... but I'll try.
As you're sitting there staring at the darkness, the act of pushing your consciousness forward is that you want to move INTO the darkness that's in front of you.
I describe it usually as "drilling your consciousness forward" instead of pushing.  I imagine my consciousness as a drill that's moving forward through the darkness as a drill going through wood or dirt.

[CFTraveler]

I describe it as letting myself 'fall' forward (or, if you've ever gone surfing, letting myself 'lean into' the wave, and getting sucked into the tube.)  Not an effort, more like a 'letting it happen'.

[todd421757]

I describe it usually as "drilling your consciousness forward" instead of pushing.  I imagine my consciousness as a drill that's moving forward through the darkness as a drill going through wood or dirt.

This is a great explanation of it.