I'm losing hope -_-

[Kiba]

Alright, I'm starting to lose hope. I've been trying to project for 3(maybe 4) years now. I know sometimes it takes this long but I've done everything right, I've kept calm, keep focused, didn't expect to do it, etc. I've tried so many methods and only had some real progress with one (it was posted here on the old forums, don't remember who wrote it). I need a method bad, something basically simple. Please help.

                                                                               Thanks,
                                                                                         Kiba

[onetaek]

You shouldn't try so hard. Be relaxed.

[Kiba]

Thats what my friend said also. I've been getting more relaxed before hand now when i try.

[Nostic]

Alright, I'm starting to lose hope. I've been trying to project for 3(maybe 4) years now. I know sometimes it takes this long but I've done everything right, I've kept calm, keep focused, didn't expect to do it, etc. I've tried so many methods and only had some real progress with one (it was posted here on the old forums, don't remember who wrote it). I need a method bad, something basically simple. Please help.

                                                                               Thanks,
                                                                                         Kiba

How consistently do you practice? I think consistency is key.

[Kiba]

Every night

[karnautrahl]

Have you tried Astral Dynamics or Mastering Astral Projection by Robert Bruce yet?
I haven't personally progressed beyond energy work myself-but that's because I'm a little lazy. I can feel chi/energy easily so it's immediate reward . but the rest is harder feel. Having read the books however I suspect someone as dedicated as yourself should be able to learn the discipline and be projecting within a few months

[clandestino]

Try the following for a few days....Perhaps 4 or 5. Its probably best to try it at the weekend ! (taking a nap in the afternoon isn't very popular with most businesses, hee hee...)

Mark's patented* Jump-start to astral sight

eat light meals. no snack or junk food, no sweets or coca cola !
do strenuous physical exercise, enough to make you tired / sleepy e.g try running a few miles each evening.
don't drink alcohol.
sleep for only a few hours at night, perhaps 3 or 4.
Have a short nap in the afternoon.


It is not a method....but it may cause an involuntary projection after you awaken, or just some symptoms e.g. astral sight, arms floating from your body. At the very least, you'll have some very vivid dreams ! I reckon that this combination of exercise & lack of sleep puts the mind slightly out of sync with the body, which occasionally gives you a window of opportunity to project.

My intention is not for you to practise this technique all the time !! Instead, I hope that you'll experience some OBE-related symptoms. This will then give you renewed hope, & perhaps you will be inspired to continue practising, perhaps from Robert Bruce's new book. If not, give it a break for a few months and come back to it when you feel the time is right.

Kind regards
Mark

*Not really.

[Potatis]

I would have thought that if you have been trying to project for 3 or 4 years that you'd know every method known to man by now.

What do you mean by "didn't expect to do it"?

Make sure you feel strong motivation or intent, don't just relax and see what happens. Ask yourself why you want an obe. Is it important to you? Try to psyche yourself up with strong reasons for having an obe and see if that helps.

How far have you got in the past? Have you ever felt exit sensations? Floating feelings, heavy sinking feelings, strong vibes etc?

I hope you have some success soon!!

Potatis

[Frank]

Hmm, the same question is in my mind too.

What do you mean by "didn't expect to do it." Was that a typo? Because if you are truly performing all this while not expecting to do it, then you are basically getting what you currently expect. I thought if you would let us know what you have tried that gave you some results, then we could expand on that.

Yours,
Frank

[Kiba]

karnautrahl - No, I have never tried them, maybe I should lol.

clandestino - Thanks, i'll try that for a few days like you said.

Anyways, what I meant by "didn't expect to do it" was I didn't expect to do it, and I didn't expect to not do it, I was at a state of mind where I just don't really care if I do or don't.

I got preaty far in the past, I felt very floaty, strong vibes, heard a voice or two I think.

Hm...the 1 method that I got REALLY far on was the one where you:

1. Get a timer, set it for 5 minutes, try to fall asleep
2. After it goes off, set it for 10
3. then 15
4. Then 20
5. Then keep setting for 25

I edited this though, and made beeping noises and burnded them to a CD. I also just yesterday tried the "White Light(Or was it Tube?)" Method. I felt floaty but thats all.

[GorillaBait]

Its possible that you need to work more on the core skills before attempting your projections.  Projection is dependant upon certain things, how much energy you can draw into your body, how physically relaxed you can get, and your meditation ability.  Maybe you should spend some time not actually trying to project, but solely practicing energy work and some mental discipline exercises/physical relaxation.  After a while of working on these and seeing marked success, you can try again to project, which might increase your chances of success dramatically.  But I don't actually know how advanced you are at these things, so if you're already very advanced in energy work and meditation, this might be a bad idea.

[Carlos]

Well, I am disappointed as well in my progress. I have however put a lot of effort into it and haven't had much success. Perhaps if I tell you what I am doing, you might give me some insight.  Every night before I go to bed, I spend about an hour or so, relaxing, raising energy etc. I have some OBE tapes from Robert Monroe which I use along with meditation (attempting to meditate). Then, I go to bed and wake up at 3 in the morning. I lye down on the floor and do about 500 breathing, raise energy again.   Go back to bed and sometimes I feel some energy and or vibration and even have some quick dreams like OBE, but  don't seem to have any control of it. Once in awhile, I feel sort of having an OBE and even feel hands holding my hands in attempt to help me out but I don't seem to go anywhere. I haven't given up and plan on being consistent throughout this year to see if I improve. I have also gotten in the habit of writing my dreams down every morning.  Well, I hope you will give me some hints.

Thanks

[Astral-Jas]

TAKE A TRUE BREAK.

For one month! You can do it! But don't take the break to actually go out of body, do it for the actual break. You need it anyways.

[Carlos]

Last night I had the weirdest experience. Before going to sleep, I spent over an hour doing my usual OBE exercises. I was raising energy and for the very first time, I felt my energy body responding. I felt motivated by it and continued my relaxation, breathing and raising energy.  At one point, I got up and decided to do a few things before going to bed. Even when I was walking and doing things, I felt the tingling sensation and vibration going on specially on my right foot. I decided to lay in bed and  wait to see if my body was going to explode.  A little later, I am in a sort of a dream like situation where I feel this presence pulling me back and I am battling it to free myself. It was a horrible sensation. Then, after I got myself somehow free, or so I thought, I started to feel a churning sensation in my torso area and felt as though my stomach or the whole torso had a ballon inside. I don't think I know how to describe this sensation but I know it was not pleasant. This somehow broke my relaxation and brought me back to reality. When awake, I felt as though I was out of fuel. My body wasn't as vibrant any more even though I still felt that tinginling sensation on my foot. When I managed to go back to seep, I had a nightmare. Well, this at least proved to me that the raising energy does  do something.  Perhaps anyone has had similar experience and can share some light.

[MisterJingo]

How much sleep do you get per night, and do you feel rested? My best results come at times when I get too much sleep. I usually average 5-6 hours a night and although if I practice daily I do get OBE results, due to tiredness they are usually infrequent and of poor quality. Around 4 years back I went through a stage of nightly practice. I would go to bed at 10 pm (my average bedtime is 2-6 am so this is very early for me) feeling very awake. I would then proceed to first do physical relaxation exercises, then a form of body meditation, and then use triggers to put me into an equivalent F10 state (mind awake body asleep.) If I'm truthful my incident of OBE during these practice sessions were low (although I did experience a lot of other strange occurrences,) BUT, I started to experience a lot of spontaneous OBEs and a very high frequency of sleep paralysis on awakening which I would use to project.
 Getting back to my 'too much sleep' comment. If I have a few hours more sleep than I am used to (around 8-9 instead of 5-6) I find I can easily enter LDs, or if I awaken I can easily bring about the vibrational state, leading to OBEs. Have you tried getting more sleep than you normally have?