Multidimensional Realities - various OBE phenomena explained

[MDM]

I haven't posted for a while, but I recently gave a presentation via Skype to the Institute of Neuroscience and Consciousness Study exploring different levels of consciousness and many OBE phenomena, some of which may be familiar and others not so. I hope it will also serve as a bit of a road map.

OBEs are receiving more attention now from the scientific community as demonstrated in this talk with regard to its audience. Hopefully penetration into Consciousness Research may perhaps even lead towards developing mechanical means for obtaining OBEs, given the right funding.

As I pointed out in the video there is great value in forums such as this one, for harvesting data in order to establish a consensus of some of the phenomena widely experienced and reported. So I am always very curious if any of you can confirm similar experiences, to establish an element of validity via statistical frequency. So keep posting, reporting and discussing.

If you have any further questions regarding this talk, please respond to this thread and we can all discuss here if you like.

Here is the video: http://vimeo.com/35800793. Thanks for watching.

For further, more detailed information you can find the link to my website here: http://www.multidimensionalman.com

Thanks very much, Jurgen

[Xanth]

Hiya Jurgen!

I've watched the first few minutes of the video so far, and I agree with everything I've heard. 

I look forward to watching the rest of it!

I'm in full agreement that Lucid Dreams are DEFINITELY the best way to experience all the stuff we discuss here. 
I'm saddened when I see people here or other forums creating these dividing lines in their experiences where they label LD's as "just a dream".

I'm going to link to this on my own website too, if that's okay? 

[MDM]

Thank you Ryan, I agree, the thin dividing line between LD and OBE is often only a shift of focus or losing the dream narrative.

[Lionheart]

 MDM (Zurgen) I love your site. I use your Binaural Beats almost every day. But am currently testing with a device known as the Laxman. The Laxman is a sound/light machine made in Germany. It is the top of the line in it's class and sells for $499 Euros, you can totally customise it to your own liking. You can write your own programs as well, which is the reason I chose this device over others. I posted a link here to your site for people to find your Binaural Beats a couple of week ago. So far that is the only thing outside of our own natural abilities that I have found to bring constant success. I just received the Laxman 4 days ago and have been getting to know it better. The first day was getting use to the feel of the unit, strap tightness, volume, brightness levels. Last night though it put me completely to sleep, that was the first time I have ever fell completely asleep while Phasing. I was using a deep Delta program on there named "vibrations" and it completely knocked me out. I remember the first 2 minutes, then my mind was a blank. I agree that it would be great for science to somehow trigger a automatic OBE response. I'm sure in some field they already have that, they have been working with Remote Viewing etc. for many years now.
 Keep up the great work! 

[c0sm0nautt]

I'm saddened when I see people here or other forums creating these dividing lines in their experiences where they label LD's as "just a dream".

Yea, I think the major problem in regards to that is a lack of consistent vernacular when we talk about this stuff. Many people (especially beginners) relate higher lucid awareness experiences to OBEs and lower to Lucid Dreams, but many of us know this is hardly the case.

Cool site MDM, I'm going to check out this video now.

[c0sm0nautt]

That video was amazing! I am so happy I came across this. You put a lot of clarity into all of this stuff. You said some things that really hit home for me: The idea that creation is happening every moment, and we are active participants.  Was that artwork yours? Those images were absolutely beautiful. 

[MDM]

MDM (Zurgen) I love your site. I use your Binaural Beats almost every day. But am currently testing with a device known as the Laxman. The Laxman is a sound/light machine made in Germany. It is the top of the line in it's class and sells for $499 Euros, you can totally customise it to your own liking. You can write your own programs as well, which is the reason I chose this device over others. I posted a link here to your site for people to find your Binaural Beats a couple of week ago. So far that is the only thing outside of our own natural abilities that I have found to bring constant success. I just received the Laxman 4 days ago and have been getting to know it better. The first day was getting use to the feel of the unit, strap tightness, volume, brightness levels. Last night though it put me completely to sleep, that was the first time I have ever fell completely asleep while Phasing. I was using a deep Delta program on there named "vibrations" and it completely knocked me out. I remember the first 2 minutes, then my mind was a blank. I agree that it would be great for science to somehow trigger a automatic OBE response. I'm sure in some field they already have that, they have been working with Remote Viewing etc. for many years now.
 Keep up the great work! 

Lionheart, thanks for the feedback on the soundtrack. Your Laxman sounds similar to the Lucid Light Generator http://www.gesund-im-licht.at/index_skip_e.htm designed by two Austrian scientists and used in some clinics, mainly to help people relax but it often triggers OBEs and STEs (Spiritual Transformative Experiences) as well. Anthony Peake, the author of "Is there Life after Death" used it to get experience of OBEs to write his latest book "The Out of Body Experience: The History and Science of Astral Travel". He told me the device had worked for him. He never had an OBE in his life, but he did with this one. Don't rush out to buy one yet, its rather pricey, but the science behind it sounds sensible. I imagine the next generation of technology might be as simple as a next generation iPad app, and an iPad with a more powerful LED screen, mounted on a stand perhaps 8 inches away from your eyes (eyes closed). Sony also have developed a 3D vision headset, which could perhaps be used running Lucid light Generator software.

Progress has also been made after scientists localized the area of the brain activated during lucid dreaming. This is very promising. I am still planning a more effective way of using the binaural beats in combination with designed music with the help of a composer friend, who currently writes movie scores. I can foresee that in the not too distant future the Games industry might even get hold of this. Whether this is a good thing, judging by the high level of violent game content, is another question. But who knows, people might develop and appetite for STEs. After all what can be more rewarding?

Another technique, which is much cheaper, relies on our sun. With your eyes closed sit on a deck chair facing the sun. Do your meditation. Observe the light falling though your closed eyelids, but link it mentally to your "inner light" with a powerful feeling of surrendering to it, rising from your heart chakra. Keep it short and avoid the midday sun so you don't fall victim to the tomato syndrome. Use factor 50 sun shield for this.

We'll just have to remind ourselves that most of the pioneering work is done here on this and other forums by people devoting time to explore their inner space and at the same time discovering who they really are.

[Lionheart]

 Yes the Laxman is similar to the "Lucid Light Generator" that is why I chose the Laxman. The LLG is only being sold right now to professionals and you have to go to them or have a seminar teaching you how to use the device. So at the moment it is only open to professionals such as Doctors/Psychologists, not the retail industry yet. I feel it will stay that way for many years to come. I have also started some personal research with a device known as the "Bio Tuner". There are a number of Sound/Light Devices, EEG machines etc. currently on the market. They can't make any proven claims yet for success, but it all seems they are trying to get there. Mostly the machines are being used to control stress, but they also seem to be trying to target Autism/Add/Dementia etc. right now. I fear in the end though that just like with every other new development or discovery made that the powers that be will find a way to use a device like this for manipulation and greed. Unfortunately that seems to happen more than not. They already have created Light/Sound weapons that can be used on the battlefield to create confusion and panic. I saw a show on the History channel last year related to that. It's good to see someone like yourself that wishes advancement for the good of mankind, not just the monetary reward. People have the right to know who they really are and why they are here. I think that alone would create a fantastic change for the future. If we could only bypass "ego", it would be so much easier to find.  
 On another note, I haven't really ever taken control of my dream during the first time. I have to explain that because there are many times where I awaken in the morning with full dream recollection, but I don't like the results of that dream, so I close my eyes and return to it to change the outcome. This is something that I experience about 1-2 times weekly now. I can't remember waking in a dream and controling it though. I have had many times where I awoke with sleep paralysis and the feeling of a presence near, but not in an actual projection. This was more of an after effect of the OBE. I do though Phase twice a day and find my success with the Astral Realms there.

[MDM]

That video was amazing! I am so happy I came across this. You put a lot of clarity into all of this stuff. You said some things that really hit home for me: The idea that creation is happening every moment, and we are active participants.  Was that artwork yours? Those images were absolutely beautiful. 

The artwork that was mine is the animation and some of the later landscapes. They can also be downloaded as wallpaper (free) from my other website here:
http://www.magicfantasyart.com/magicfantasyart.com/Free_Fantasy_World_Wallpapers/Free_Fantasy_World_Wallpapers.html

The Meditation soundtrack can be downloaded here:
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Free_Deep_Meditation_Sounds_-_Binaural_Beats.html

There are two meditation soundtracks on this page. The top one, "OM", contains the OM mantra chant and a shamanic drumbeat combined with binaural beat. The bottom one (red box) is a binaural beat only going into a deeper and deeper phase.

I am very fond of the OM mantra. The reason I made this track was because I discovered when chanting "OM" during OBEs I get into a higher state of consciousness which it is often accompanied by powerful ecstasy.

If you try it during your next OBE I would be curious whether this works for you too.

[CFTraveler]

What beautiful artwork!  Wow!

[Rudolph]

Yea, I think the major problem in regards to that is a lack of consistent vernacular when we talk about this stuff. Many people (especially beginners) relate higher lucid awareness experiences to OBEs and lower to Lucid Dreams, but many of us know this is hardly the case.

I think it would be helpful if folks could provide examples to clarify the point they are trying to make along these lines.

I think there is no denying that there is a big difference between a Lucid Dream and a regular dream.

A full conscious OBE that begins with conscious exit from the body has different characteristics compared to an LD but it can quickly degenerate into an LD. In fact, based on what I read across many forums, that is exactly what happens most of the time. I think that is why so many want to say they are basically the same. For them it basically is.

When I hear this suggestion I suspect the speaker really has not ever had a full conscious OBE where they travel to a very real astral 'location' and explore it and return with solid recall of the reality there that can and will persist over time. Or maybe they had one or two of those types of experiences and then backslid a bit to the standard LD type OBE and without further experience they lose that experience as a solid reference point to refer to and make a meaningful comparative differentiation among their experiences.

Beyond the astral there is the mental/causal type consciousness and many say that it does not exist. Well, for them it might as well not exist since they have never been there.

Beyond that there are other levels, but again, for those who have never been there it may as well not even exist.

I recently went to a place where a voice began giving me instructions or 'lessons' of a sort. I could call him G2 on level z12. But then I read MyBigTOE and I recognize where Tom Campbell experienced essentially the same thing. I have no problem with giving the "place" a name that can become part of a belief system. It is only a belief system for those who have never been there. A descriptive name does not change that particular realm of Consciousness for those who have experienced that corner of Consciousness.
But reducing it all to the same type of experience by fiat LD = OBE basically throws the baby out with the bathwater, from my point of view. But for those who never had a baby in the bath in the first place it will make no difference.

[Xanth]

I think it would be helpful if folks could provide examples to clarify the point they are trying to make along these lines.

I think there is no denying that there is a big difference between a Lucid Dream and a regular dream.

That's a really good point.
It'd be nice if people pointed out "where" they believe the difference lies.

Like in your statement that there's a big difference between an LD and a D... each person might be sitting there nodding their head in agreement with you, but each having a different idea about what is "different". 

I like the rest of your post as well.  Just wanted to point that out too. 

[Rudolph]

That's a really good point.
It'd be nice if people pointed out "where" they believe the difference lies.

Like in your statement that there's a big difference between an LD and a D... each person might be sitting there nodding their head in agreement with you, but each having a different idea about what is "different". 

I like the rest of your post as well.  Just wanted to point that out too. 

Well, it is pretty simple. A lucid dream is a dream where the dreamer knows he is dreaming.
I think we all knew that, mostly. The myriad nuance elements that one could introduce are just obfuscation.

We also hear that an LD can be morphed into an OBE.
But in reality, this is not as simple as it sounds. I have done this with varying degrees of success on multiple occasions. I know that some wisely recommend against returning to the body once Lucidity is achieved, and I agree for the most part, but if I want to get a real hardcore, full conscious OBE I find that (in my experience) a return to the body and a full conscious projection works best.

[MDM]

My definition of the difference between a Lucid Dream and an Out-of-Body experience is that in a Lucid Dream you can make love to Angelina Jolie whereas in a OBE she will slap you if your try.

[Rudolph]

My definition of the difference between a Lucid Dream and an Out-of-Body experience is that in a Lucid Dream you can make love to Angelina Jolie whereas in a OBE she will slap you if your try.

This one works for me...

on several different levels.