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Author Topic: Projection Fail: The Higher Frog Self  (Read 735 times)
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« on: September 28, 2016, 21:54:30 »

hey everyone, I got out again last night. I used a couple of breathing techniques that I learned yesterday, that helps release DMT into the brain supposedly, and also said my name as a mantra, then maybe 10 or 20 mins I start getting weird sensations and the floaty feeling, and right off the bat, the astral uses my gf as a distraction again, I fell for it a bit, as the distraction was her trying to get sex from me, but I swiftly though about my mission to meet the higher self, at that point I snap out of what I was about to do and called out to my higher self once, my gf got mad that I was ignoring having sex with her for the higher self, then right after calling out to my higher self, what pops up is a damn frog eck, now when I was younger I remember liking frogs a bit, but when I got older I started disliking them, they were creepy and slimmy to me now, and it was brown too, so i'm thinking maybe it was a frog or toad I could never tell the difference, and it was fat and had claws ( so my higher self decided to sho its self in the form of a frog/toad), the moment I see it jump, I got that oh hell naw attitude and started floating away, I floated quickly down my steps , and the frog/toad gave chase, so here it is i'm trying to get away from this thing, I quickly floated in to my bathroom and closed the door on it, and started thinking how am I going to deal with this thing, I then grabbed a towel and opened the door and the frog was stuck on its side or back, I took the towel and picked it up, then sat it right side up, at this moment I got this weird feeling from the frog like it feel in love with me, and it started going crazy trying to jump on me more this time, so I started running back upstair, and hopped onto my bed, then the frog was right behind me, I thought I was in the clear on the bed, but the frog made this weird noise as it jumped, like a noise you get when a girl likes you (mmm), it was too much. it jumped right on to the bed, and its claw cut me andi threw it off the bed (reflexes), and suddenly I was back in body. the weird love feeling I got from that frog, felt like it wanted to jump my bones, just creeped me out. I just hope my higher self show its self as something more pleasant next time.

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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2016, 23:32:17 »

I laughed reading that experience, hilarious and sounds like a lot of fun, even if it was creepy at the time. It seems like your higher self is trolling you. It wants you to be able to accept it in any form - that is the lesson that I get from this anyway. Your higher self has a great sense of humour.

Can you tell us more about the DMT breathing method? I heard it has been proven in lab mice studies that DMT is without a doubt released from the pineal during REM.

@Xanth, if you see this, you often say that we are just consciousness and anything else you put in front of that is a barrier - what is your view on DMT. It shouldn't be necessary, but there seems to be a connection there. Does the harnessing of consciousness allow us to produce DMT at will, or is it just an "optional" tool to reach these states.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 00:05:01 »

XD I also know that what could Xanth say lol Cheesy

I'm interested in this DMT breath thing too. I've read some issues about this that deep diaphgram breath causes more success. I don't concentrate on my breath. I find always interesting that others "get out" with these simple ways and I can't. I think I had better results, much closer to some kind of levitating, when I did this deep breath stuff but this is strange for me.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 01:28:16 »

 Congratulations Bloodshadow!  smiley What do you think the lesson was in this?

 Thaomas, I did a focus in the past whereas I actually visualized not only my Pineal Gland, but me squeezing it and watching as it entered my blood quickly filled my body. Beforehand I had spent about a week researching the Pineal Gland, mostly pictures as to help my visualizations. This did lead to SP on many times.

 Now I don't know if the DMT is distributed through the blood, which would make it almost automatic or if it's a signal to the nerves to enter the state of paralysis. But I have found that you can trick this into occurring using a Light/Sound Machine. For some reason the flashing lights of one of those machines, along with the colors, binaural beats, etc., seems to be able to imitate what we would see if we stayed completely consciously while falling asleep. It is one of the stages that I witnessed in my nightly natural sleep process or cycle. I know that for sure because I have witnessed it often.

 I think the Light/Sound machine is able to kick our brains into a REM cycle. Thus starting the natural process of SP. The Lucia Light machine is proving this today.

  I practice Tibetan Dream Yoga. Well actually I put a lot of research into it and practiced often. Today it is either automatic by intent or spontaneous and keeps me awake all night when I don't want to be, lol. Some nights I just can't kick it off.

 Edit: I went to the brilliant thread on SP here that Bedeekin had created in the past and found this explanation of SP:
 "Many people associate SP with being a necessity for experiencing NPMR. This is a fallacy. True, it is a direct route into the altered state of consciousness that IS ‘nonphysical’, but far too often it is lingered and pondered upon much to the distraction of the uninitiated. It can actually be said that SP is not meant to be experienced. If it were, there wouldn’t be a plethora of anesthetic mechanisms naturally put in place that cause us not to experience it. Usually SP is an unconscious process that happens when we enter REM sleep that inhibits us from acting out our non-physical incursions. It is a natural physical anesthetic. The medical term for this process is REM atonia (atonia meaning a lack of muscular tension). Being aware of this state that the body has put so much effort into concealing is what we experience as Sleep Paralysis. I will add here that sleepwalking isn’t an REM state phenomenon but rather takes place during Slow Wave Sleep State. "

 One last little thing on REM Atonia. This one a explanation from Wikipedia:
 REM atonia, an almost complete paralysis of the body, is accomplished through the inhibition of motor neurons. When the body shifts into REM sleep, motor neurons throughout the body undergo a process called hyperpolarization: their already-negative membrane potential decreases by another 2–10 millivolts, thereby raising the threshold which a stimulus must overcome to excite them. Muscle inhibition may result from unavailability of monoamine neurotransmitters (restraining the abundance of acetylcholine in the brainstem) and perhaps from mechanisms used in waking muscle inhibition.[36] The medulla oblongata, located between pons and spine, seems to have the capacity for organism-wide muscle inhibition.[37] Some localized twitching and reflexes can still occur

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2016, 02:01:07 »

LOL, this was so funny. Reckon you just don't want sex here or there, haha.

So maybe you're HS was actually channeling your gf feelings and chased you back to her side where you belonged. Perhaps you are putting too much emphasis on the NP at this time.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2016, 05:46:41 »

@Lumaza, that is fascinating. I have to try this pineal visualisation and see if it helps. Did you find it to be specially effective in contrast to any old standard focus?

I am also very interested in this light machine. I see that the Lucia Light is beyond expensive at 15,000 Euros - but there are cheaper things out there like the Laxman. I would have to imagine that it is not as effective - the Lucia seems reasonably advanced, but maybe that is a smoke screen. It is simple hardware that anyone could design, but the intensity and variation of the lights must take immense study to develop.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2016, 08:50:59 »

@Lumaza, that is fascinating. I have to try this pineal visualisation and see if it helps. Did you find it to be specially effective in contrast to any old standard focus?
I didn't find it any better than any other technique I use. It was a great focus target. I just wanted to try something different for a change of pace. It made sense to me that if I could actually squeeze the Pineal Gland, that it would excrete the DMT needed to put me into SP. But truthfully all the focus and effort I put it into took long enough for my body to begin to go into SP as it was, lol. You will find that with any focus technique that you wish to use. If you focus long enough on something other than your physical body, soon enough your physical body will begin to react to that unbeknownst to you at the time.

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I am also very interested in this light machine. I see that the Lucia Light is beyond expensive at 15,000 Euros - but there are cheaper things out there like the Laxman. I would have to imagine that it is not as effective - the Lucia seems reasonably advanced, but maybe that is a smoke screen. It is simple hardware that anyone could design, but the intensity and variation of the lights must take immense study to develop.
Psychologists are having amazing results with Autism, PTSD and other mental disabilities because of the Light/Sound Machines. The Lucia is being used all over the World now by Doctors, Psychologists, Psychiatrists, etc. That's why it is so expensive. It is also many levels up from your basic handheld L/S machines that you find for $150-800 US. I asked the Lucia creators in the past if they were going to make a "home model", hand held unit in the future. They never answered me back, lol. Their unit sells for $22,000 US. It is in a completely different league from the other ones.

 I own a L/S Machine myself, as you know already know and I have enjoyed it thoroughly. But there is a caution or I should say needs to be a caution on these things. Sometimes the strobe/flashing light can be too bright and cause irreparable optical nerve damage. I found that out first hand.  sad

 But by controlling the intensity of the brightness on the machines you can rectify that. The manufactures of these machines need to stress that more.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2016, 09:38:59 »

basically  the lesson was exactly what ThaomasOfGrey said, cause I did feel that it wanted me to except it in any form, I just couldn't bring myself to do it, cause at one point, I was thinking to just go ahead and do the transition with it in that form while I was in the bathroom but once I came back face to face with it I couldn't bring myself to do it.

as for the breathing tech I used which probably was just a placebo affect anyway was this https://youtu.be/S0meWkcH8Ow

together with this https://youtu.be/xaiE3fEXkUM?list=FLNWAgHXXzmxjO_fQoAf91CQ

and the mantra of my name. I wanted to do this one but knew I wouldn't be able to keep up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COTJ8G862jc&list=PL_Z0lLvJFkhBZQrBdB-WxSINnntehVyY0&index=73
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