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« on: July 24, 2009, 13:37:31 »

I know we won't fully be able to tell but given their track record, they seem very legit. What are your opinions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23XQ0zX4QlE&feature=related
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 14:23:51 »

"This is LA guys are all dating each other"

Now this is a point that we can all agree on heh. That was hilarious. I can't say psychics don't exist and it would all depend on what you would call psychic activity anyway. For instance some people would call what I do psychic [and what everyone else here strives to do]. But as projectors we do not look at it like that, we look at it as a yet discovered [tested] scientific happening. I am sure though there are plenty of people who do not think going out of the body is legit. These twins though, just seem like they are being a little too casual about it. Who knows. The video was an interesting watch though, if I wasn't married..heh... jk.


Edit: However after watching the entire video I think they aren't legit. There is a lot that just doesn't add up. For instance when they say "They never lie" they suggest that the answers they get are from spirits of some sort. No offense but that just wouldn't be how it would work. If one would be "psychic" how I would see it happening is that the mind of the individual would be tapped into a certain frequency in which the lines of the past, present, and future seem to meld together in a sort of a signal, that the mind would get answers from rather than spooks taking their time to whisper sweet nothings in the ears of these two people. I guess sort of like what Monroe said about human thought and unorganized thought meld together into one signal in which he called the M-band. On occasion shortly before separation I would run into this and here all this unorganized thought that was coming from an external place (outside of myself) in which I hear people speaking [different voices], all at once in a seemingly unmeaningful conversation. It sounds like a big party going on in my room but on a much larger scale.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 15:20:22 »

"This is LA guys are all dating each other"

Now this is a point that we can all agree on heh. That was hilarious. I can't say psychics don't exist and it would all depend on what you would call psychic activity anyway. For instance some people would call what I do psychic [and what everyone else here strives to do]. But as projectors we do not look at it like that, we look at it as a yet discovered [tested] scientific happening. I am sure though there are plenty of people who do not think going out of the body is legit. These twins though, just seem like they are being a little too casual about it. Who knows, who would I be to pass judgment onto them for what they say they can do. The video was an interesting watch though, if I wasn't married..heh... jk.

I found them very funny too, a direct contrast to Sylvia Browne. What exactly did that line mean? I'm from the Uk so don't know too much about LA...was she implying that the majority of guys in LA are gay lol?

I think that that casualness about them is part of what makes them so appealing. I haven't seen many psychics around on talk shows but I certainly for one wouldn't want one to be too serious  cheesy It's sort of comforting to see a psychic (who has presumably 'seen it all before') to still have such a positive outlook/demeanor in life. Perhaps the world's not as dark as it seems  tongue

I don't know if you've seen other clips of them but it shows their recorded telephone prediction (to the government?) of the 9/11 World Trade Center terrorist attack. That was recorded 2 years before it happened! They are the only psychics in the world to have made that prediction apparently.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 15:25:49 »



Edit: However after watching the entire video I think they aren't legit. There is a lot that just doesn't add up. For instance when they say "They never lie" they suggest that the answers they get are from spirits of some sort.

I'm not very clued up on psychic abilities but is there no chance that they could ask for the answers from their spirit guides? I'm quite sure that in the past others have seeked answers through this method.

If you look through the other parts of the show...i.e. part 2, part 3 etc you can see them writing things down. They claim this is 'automatic writing'...is that not another way to seek the answers to the questions from the audience?
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 15:59:20 »

I'm not very clued up on psychic abilities but is there no chance that they could ask for the answers from their spirit guides? I'm quite sure that in the past others have seeked answers through this method.

If you look through the other parts of the show...i.e. part 2, part 3 etc you can see them writing things down. They claim this is 'automatic writing'...is that not another way to seek the answers to the questions from the audience?

Well for instance when they said "We are the most documented psychics in the world", as I pointed out on youtube that isn't true. That distinction goes to Edgar Cayce who when he was alive was the most documented and accurate psychic, and even in his death still stands as the most documented psychic. On their website they claim "They are the only psychic twins in the world" once again this claim is false as well. They are the only televised psychic twins but not "in the world". On the part which has this woman and her husband they said neither cheated on each other. When you watch her [the wife] she is overly descriptive about just how much attention she isn't getting, and there are tell tale signs of rationalization and justification going on there. Of course on a talk show they wont be challenged very much as people have already suspended their disbelief, it's very easy to get away with things like this. These people really do want to believe so even if they are wrong the people will either bend over backwards to apply what these supposed psychics say to their lives, to kind of incorporate it into how they perceive theirselves to make them right. There is a good book on this kind of thing written by a ex-fake medium of 10+ years in which he explains the psychology behind it, how he got away with all the things he had gotten away with it and how people just let people like him take advantage of them. It's called "The psychic mafia", it is a good read and I am sure would be an eye opener to you guys.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 16:40:13 »

Here's something interesting that I dug up.  "Linda and Terry Jamison are twins from the United States who claim to have predicted the September 11th attacks two years ahead of time. On November 2, 1999, they claimed that through an automatic writing process there would be a terrorist attack on the federal government and the World Trade Center in 2001. The actual quote is, “we are seeing various terrorist attacks on federal government and also the New York Trade Center, the World Trade Center”. The twins did not specify the time or indicate who would be responsible. The Jamison twins also predicted that John F. Kennedy Jr. would die by plane crash. However it has been pointed out that the Jamison twins are frequently incorrect. In December 2003, they incorrectly predicted that Saddam Hussein would be killed by U.S troops and that Pope John Paul II would die in June 2004."

This kind of goes torwards my point about supposed psychics [of the fake variety], no matter how many times they are wrong people who want to believe will just let each thing that is said that is incorrect or inaccurate slide, but will be quick to point out when they are right. Penn and Teller kind of pointed this out in their show about astrologers. One of the women who got a reading said she was so surprised at how right they were and that she did not know how the guy knew her child was deathly ill. Upon playback it was easy to see how wrong he was, and in fact the woman did tell him that her child has a disease that was killing him. Another quick point was that anyone, even parts of our government knew another attack would happen on the trade towers. If you just look at the history of attempts on the towers it is easy to see eventually there would be another attack as those were symbols of American capitalism, of American superiority. It wasn't a matter of if, it was just a matter of when. So when they keep claiming they predicted 9/11 it is false as all the references I could find were that they predicted the twin towers would be attacked, but no date or time... which anyone who thought about this matter [twin towers] would think eventually there would be another attempt. This all really just shows how people suspend their disbelief in favor of gullibility.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 19:22:39 »

Those are very interesting point that you bring up.

On November 2, 1999, they claimed that through an automatic writing process there would be a terrorist attack on the federal government and the World Trade Center in 2001. The actual quote is, “we are seeing various terrorist attacks on federal government and also the New York Trade Center, the World Trade Center”. The twins did not specify the time or indicate who would be responsible.

I just found a video on youtube about them claiming that they did specify the year (although no month) of the terrorist attacks and the name Bin Laden. However, the video was filmed years after the attack had happened so they could easily have slipped in some information through hindsight. What's interesting to note is that they claimed that they wrote '5000 perish' eventhough according to Wikipedia (ok not the world's most legit source) that 3,017 died. If they lied about mentioning Bin Laden's name, surely couldn't they have also adjusted the figures to 3000 or something closer? Plus if they did embellish the facts about mentioning the name or date on national television, wouldn't they have complaints from the public/governement for misclaims? (I am sure there are a lot of skepdics out there that would want to prove them wrong).

Here's the video by the way:

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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 23:12:20 »

Yeah I've already seen the video. They said they mentioned the date, bin laden's name...etc. Here is the funny thing I can find plenty of videos of them claiming they predicted 9/11, but I can't find one video prior to the date of 9/11 predicting it. On some video they said that they published it on a lot of websites, and claimed the government took down all the sites they mentioned it on ...etc. Then on another video they claimed they made the prediction live on the radio, where is the radio clip? You think someone would of put it up on youtube or somewhere else on the net. It's possible that clip does exist, but if it does I doubt really extremely doubt that they gave the date and bin ladens name, hence the clips non existence on the net. You know if they did rather than touting their claims they did, they would provide the videos/broadcasts online as well. One thing I find absolutely amazing is that they keep making this claim, televised and on their website... yet no one challenges them on it to see evidence of it. All these people on youtube are like "the psychic twins predicted 9/11" "These are the psychics that predicted bin laden would pull off 9/11"..etc They state it as if it were fact but do not post links or anything related to 9/11. I read their claims closely and their claims besides the websites they claimed to have posted that prediction on, they also said they did so on a radio interview live. I doubt a clip of that interview exists, but if you do find it I'd listen to it closely and I bet they didnt mention specifics. We shall see though.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 00:53:16 »

From the psychic twins official website: "Terry and Linda Jamison, THE PSYCHIC TWINS, are the only twin psychics in the world. And yes, they are identical!"

So they say matter of factly so many times that they are the only "psychic twins in the world" Well take a look at this link
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-953879555559777658&ei=P0hqSvbkOouWrQLWx6WMAw&q=psychic+twins

Its a newscast of another pair of psychic twins heh, Im sure wouldn't take too much more digging about their specific claims to prove they are outright liars.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 01:01:10 »

Yeah I've already seen the video. They said they mentioned the date, bin laden's name...etc. Here is the funny thing I can find plenty of videos of them claiming they predicted 9/11, but I can't find one video prior to the date of 9/11 predicting it. On some video they said that they published it on a lot of websites, and claimed the government took down all the sites they mentioned it on ...etc. Then on another video they claimed they made the prediction live on the radio, where is the radio clip? You think someone would of put it up on youtube or somewhere else on the net. It's possible that clip does exist, but if it does I doubt really extremely doubt that they gave the date and bin ladens name, hence the clips non existence on the net. You know if they did rather than touting their claims they did, they would provide the videos/broadcasts online as well. One thing I find absolutely amazing is that they keep making this claim, televised and on their website... yet no one challenges them on it to see evidence of it. All these people on youtube are like "the psychic twins predicted 9/11" "These are the psychics that predicted bin laden would pull off 9/11"..etc They state it as if it were fact but do not post links or anything related to 9/11. I read their claims closely and their claims besides the websites they claimed to have posted that prediction on, they also said they did so on a radio interview live. I doubt a clip of that interview exists, but if you do find it I'd listen to it closely and I bet they didnt mention specifics. We shall see though.

Yes, very good points once again. I guess at the moment we can't truly decide if they're real or fake yet due to lack of evidence. Their public readings do seem very convincing though on TV but that's nothing to go by obviously. Recently I saw their predictions on Oscar winners (again on Youtube), I thought it was quite astounding how they got all the predictions correct. However, I'm not very clued up on films/movies...perhaps all the predictions were easy guesses (?) I do really look forward to seeing future readings from them though, I do like to spot a good fake  evil ...but a big part of me hopes that they're not another one of those 'psychics'.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 01:13:03 »

"I do like to spot a good fake   ...but a big part of me hopes that they're not"

And that is the exact feeling they tap into to take advantage of people. If you think about it rationally nobody goes to see a psychic(s) that does not believe or want to believe, so already the odds are in the fakes favor... most of the work has already been done so to speak. When I have more time Ill just dig into all their specific claims to separate fact from fiction. I think Ill start with their 9/11 "prediction" because each time they are on a talk show it is the first thing they claim to have done each time, it seems it is their foundation. So you prove that they did not as they said "write down the date, the twin towers, bin laden's name..etc" in which they also stated they did it on a live radio broadcast then the rest of their claims will Im sure fall flat, like a house of cards. I am not saying there are not real psychics out there but I think they would be a little too doubtful or ashamed to come forward rather than trying to get a show about them picked up with nbc or fox networks (they piloted a show for each network). They are money hungry and going out for it while the belief that they are legit is near its peak, striking while the iron is hot. I've encountered weird things while out of the body in some of my exits, even the field that Robert Monroe talked about (M-band/focused and unfocused thought) so I am sure there is at least a few people out there who encounter this while physically awake and moving around. The odds are there that at least a few people like this are out there, all I am saying these two definitely are not one of those theorized people. It's interesting to talk about none-the-less.
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 01:20:17 »

Apparently they've appeared over 60 shows:

'The Psychic Twins have appeared on over sixty TV shows worldwide, on ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, TLC, A&E, Biography Channel and Oprah Winfrey’s OXYGEN Network. Also, The Psychic Twins have starred in a dozen documentary films, including Psychic Children (A&E), Hollywood Ghost Stories (AMC), Twin Stories (Turner Superstation) and Extreme Twins (Channel 5 UK). Terry and Linda Jamison are profiled in The 100 Top Psychics in America (Simon and Schuster) and The Book of Twins (Doubleday).'

However hardly any of these are on Youtube Sad. They do seem to enjoy the attention though huh?
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 01:24:44 »

Yeah which was one of the first impressions I got. I also liked their non descript answers. "My boyfriend and I have a child. I think he is cheating. Is my boyfriend cheating on me" Answer: "Yes you should move on". OMG how did you know that? Come on, honestly. It doesn't take much to say yes other than a cold heart and a willingness to ruin a childs life. Obviously it doesnt take much for the woman to believe its true because she already pointed to the fact she thinks that he is, but then again 50 some percent would suspect their partner of cheating. Its just one of the generalizations they give as an answer. Why not yes its with a red headed, green eyed girl named amber, that is your boyfriends lover? You know what I mean? Look closely at their answers, anyone could just give a short and sweet answer like that.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 01:33:05 »

'Terry and Linda Jamison reveal many of their successes, struggles, joys, disappointments, and amazing `right on’ predictions in a clever format only twins could use to co-author a book. The pages of Separated At Earth disclose an honest glimpse into the growing up and developmental years of two women who happen to be twins, proven psychic twins, no less!'

Could the 'disappointments' be some of the not so accurate predictions? If so they admit it. Even though their predictions may not always be 'spot on', they do seem to be heading the right direction most of the time. Could it be that they have psychic abilities but they're not always entirely accurate? Are all legit psychics always 100% accurate with their predictions? They haven't had an enitrely wrong prediction yet (I don't think) that would reveal them as frauds...unlike the 'psychic' Sylvia Browne
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 04:52:47 »

I don't know if this is related but a friend of mine and his girl friend can mentally communicate while on mushrooms, and they have proven it to me.
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 17:20:46 »

"They haven't had an enitrely wrong prediction yet (I don't think)"

Well here's the thing if you only give general answers or predictions you can never be proven wrong because it is up to an individuals opinion if it is right or wrong. For instance the astrological sign portion in the newspaper. "Today will be a good day with only a few disappoints, if at all." I hope you see what I mean, these are the only answers I see these two giving each and every time. There is one exception when one at the last second tells a woman on the tyra show as the woman is walking away to stop smoking, only after telling her she is in great condition. Seems at the last second she remembered something. Logic tells me that she recognized the woman at the last second as a smoker she perhaps seen out in front of the studio smoking while waiting in line. You underestimate these talk-show-circuit-psychics they understand the psychological nature of all of this and how to manipulate people quite easily...also a lot of them have great memories. As I said before that is not to say psychics don't exist, but logic tells me these two are of the fake variety.
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2009, 18:03:15 »

"They haven't had an enitrely wrong prediction yet (I don't think)"

Well here's the thing if you only give general answers or predictions you can never be proven wrong because it is up to an individuals opinion if it is right or wrong. For instance the astrological sign portion in the newspaper. "Today will be a good day with only a few disappoints, if at all." I hope you see what I mean, these are the only answers I see these two giving each and every time. There is one exception when one at the last second tells a woman on the tyra show as the woman is walking away to stop smoking, only after telling her she is in great condition. Seems at the last second she remembered something. Logic tells me that she recognized the woman at the last second as a smoker she perhaps seen out in front of the studio smoking while waiting in line. You underestimate these talk-show-circuit-psychics they understand the psychological nature of all of this and how to manipulate people quite easily...also a lot of them have great memories. As I said before that is not to say psychics don't exist, but logic tells me these two are of the fake variety.

I don't think that predicting how J F. Kennedy would die, the attacks on the World Trade Center along with numerous other predictions such as the winners of the Oscars, earthquake in Japan October 2004, hurricane in Florida etc is any way as general as astrological sign predictions in the papers. If they were to say 'there will be an earthquake somewhere in the world later this year' that would make a better comparison.

http://www.psychictwins.com/predict.html

On their website they have stated over 50 predictions (that I presume are accurate), would you say that a phoney psychic would be lucky enough to guess all/most of these? We're not talking about psychics who vaguely claim that they have solved murders, abductions, marital problems etc, but these psychics apparently seem to make legit predictions about major events/occurences. Phoney psychics may need to be very manipulative towards people they are about to trick but I don't see how they would have any chance of guessing time and location of disasters and wars.

P.S I thought the smoking was quite a dead give away to be honest from the sound of her voice  cheesy

However at one point Tyra said she was 'the biggest skepdic' so I don't agree that the whole audience was necessarily full of blind believers. If there was some inaccuracy, I'm sure she would have tried to challenge them.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 20:40:06 »

I have 3 friends that are triplets. I guess they've had the same dream before, when they were kids. Weird stuff.
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2009, 09:11:58 »

"We're not talking about psychics who vaguely claim that they have solved murders"

They have vaguely claimed to have solved murders one of the first clips I watched they claimed to work with the police to solve a murder. Here's the thing though you are reading directly from them (about the list of correct predictions). They also said they predicted 9/11 accurately, if you take it at face value it seems amazing. I thought it was interesting they did claim that but once I dug into it, it turns out they just said there was going to be an attempt on the world trade center, no specific information about how, no information about the date, and no mention of Bin Laden. This was in complete contrast to how they said they predicted bin laden, the date, and some of the aspects of the attack. That's a big freaking difference, it's a false claim. So yes if you take their list of "correct" predictions it would be amazing but I want to view or hear in what context did they make the prediction. Did they give the where, the how, the date accurately... or was it just a this will happen, but no time, now how..etc. You said those were not generalized (their predictions) how do we know that? Their prediction of the world trade center was of the generalized kind, yet they made claims they accurately predicted it. Much digging would have to be done in order to discern if it was just a generalized prediction "There will be an earthquake this year", would be really general as there are many earthquakes a year.

   Part of why people get all wrapped up in this sort of thing because they want to believe it, whether consciously or subconsciously. Another reason is they will gloss over any lies, or incorrect predictions...forget them to the point all that they do remember is what was said that was correct. So to me so far all I have seen was a wrong/general prediction that was then used to promote them in a way that is a lie, as they did not predict 9/11. Also one insight about a person in the here now who smokes, which could just be a matter of seeing the lady outside the studio before going into the show. Anyway when I have the time I'll go through their list and see in what context those alleged predictions were made in. Im not a biased person, I dont have a need to believe in it or a need to not. I never believed in out of body experiences until I had one during meditation. I've only said what I have from my own point of view derived through my own experiences. Time will tell on this one though. No point in arguing this further.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2009, 11:39:21 »

Agreed, until we get new evidence we're just going to go around in circles with hypotheses/opinions...
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2009, 15:24:35 »

Well, I think they have been accurate in the past, and overall they are good psychics. Yes. They are certainly sexy women with nice lean bodies and compelling angular faces! However, they were wrong a few times. They predicted that Hilary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee for President, not ABM. They are also reluctant to make world predictions for 2010--their website concentrates on past predictions. Why? While I like the Twins, I wish they wouldn't focus so much on their 9/11 prediction. That is past. Most people, I would assume, would want to know about 2010. Hopefully they will change their Website and update their predictions. Thanks.
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