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« on: June 18, 2015, 10:26:24 »

I have been thinking lately about what the purpose of the area referred to as 'local 1' or the 'the real time zone' or the here-now area of consciousness is.  It seems clear to me it is not here for the purpose we use, or many attempt to use it for during an obe.  That is to say it is not around as a way for us to see other places, or gather information, or visit people far away, or prove the existence of something beyond physical reality.  Although it can be used for those purposes, if that was it's main purpose it wouldn't be constructed in a way which yields these tasks as having a substantially higher fail rate with very few successes.  That is to say it wouldn't have so many differences or reality fluctuations in it.

The defining feature of the here-now area (As I will refer to it as for lack of a better name) to me is reality fluctuations.  They are commonplace and everywhere, you cannot avoid them.  This I believe is because the purpose of the here-now is held within the reality fluctuations.  If our reality is a virtual reality which is created by consciousness and is stable because it is a mesh work of billions to trillions to many trillions (depending on what you believe has consciousness, which is a debate for another time) of consciousnesses then this creates a problem.  If our physical reality is stable because it is made up of the shared thought or intent or thought energy of all the consciousness which is apart of it, what happens to the thought energy which is rejected as part of our stable physical reality.  If thought energy creates, then all thought energy must create, not just the thought energy which is used to make part of our physical reality.

In comes the here-now area.  It exists as a place for those thought energies to express themselves and dissipate without having a negative effect on this physical reality.  It would not do to have all thought energy randomly popping into physical existence and then disappearing once the thought or intent which created it vanished.  By having the here-now, there is safe way for these thought-energies to manifest and go unnoticed.  That is unnoticed as long as we don't go poking around through obes.

I think this explains many things, such as why your thoughts screw up the reality of here-now so much, also thoughts of those you are visiting seem to create reality fluctuations, the fluctuations are not confined to just the projector, here-now is a shared area(s).  Fluctuations are such a problem in the here-now because they are the whole point of why here-now exists!  If having a place for things to express themselves which aren't incorporated as part of reality is the point of it, then of course you are going to have more failures than successes when trying to use this area to confirm things in actual physical reality.

Lastly I imagine it is likely there are many here-now areas which differ in how close the thought energies which dissipate there are to reality.  The longer you are out of body the further you naturally slip further from physical reality and so are more likely to slip into 'less stable' versions of the here-now.  This would help explain why when you first enter here-now you are more likely to gather information which can objectively be confirmed, you are in the here-now 'closest'(again for lack of better word) to the actual physical reality, there are less reality fluctuations.  This would be the here-now where fluctuations which vary slightly occur, however as you experience fluctuations or as your own thought energies manifest you naturally slip further away from this relatively stable here-now into less stable copies with greater and more confusing reality fluctuations.

Let me know what you think of the theory and if you have come across anyone else that has expressed it in a similar fashion as I would love to read their work.  Also would like to note this is a theory, actually not even a theory, more a hypothesis I came up with while thinking about what a valid reason would be for why here-now behaves and has the characteristics it does.
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 16:36:57 »

Anyone who can enter this environment with a high awareness level could visit any local sites of paranormal activity and see what fluctuations are present.
I do try with no success, it is one environment that I left in '69 with a no entry sign lol.
When I used to frequent the RTZ, I very rarely met any fluctuations. I can recall one in particular in 5 years of experiences.
The hypothesis could be tested and it would be a worthy investigation. I have regarded it as a training ground of sorts, until you're proficient at controlling your fears, emotional side and moving around, you appear to stay within its safe boundary.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 20:53:56 »

It seems clear to me it is not here for the purpose we use, or many attempt to use it for during an obe.  That is to say it is not around as a way for us to see other places, or gather information, or visit people far away, or prove the existence of something beyond physical reality.

I don't think that's its main purpose either. The "buffer zone" (as i call it) can be used for such purposes, but in the end, they serve only minor (earthy) goals. Proving the existence of a realm beyond the physical though, can be altruïstic, but the majority of the people are deaf for these kinds of proofs. And even if a well-respected scientist succeeds in proving the existence of such a realm, the information will remain classified. With "succeeds" i mean proving it and publishing the results in the mainstream science circuit. In fact, some factions of "government" are already aware of the "buffer zone" and have accessed it by means of technology for gaining intelligence. These factions keep to themselves mostly, and are involved with matters not pertaining to this earth.

Although it can be used for those purposes, if that was it's main purpose it wouldn't be constructed in a way which yields these tasks as having a substantially higher fail rate with very few successes.  That is to say it wouldn't have so many differences or reality fluctuations in it.

Those fluctuations are the result of an imbalance in the observer. In reality, the "buffer zone" is a complete and perfect reflection of the physical reality as we know it. Those fluctuations you refer to have their origin in the "astral world" a few frequencies higher. As the astral is well known for its imbalanced nature, there are "energies" flowing from this world through the observer. And this observer in turn clouds his/her perception of the "buffer zone".

The defining feature of the here-now area (As I will refer to it as for lack of a better name) to me is reality fluctuations.  They are commonplace and everywhere, you cannot avoid them.  This I believe is because the purpose of the here-now is held within the reality fluctuations.

An observer who is "purified" can and will avoid these fluctuations, because his/her emotions are under control. When one feels peace and serenity, he/she will perceive physical reality more clearly. This is also true when one "internalizes" his/her experiences into higher realms, in this case the "buffer zone".

If our reality is a virtual reality which is created by consciousness and is stable because it is a mesh work of billions to trillions to many trillions (depending on what you believe has consciousness, which is a debate for another time) of consciousnesses then this creates a problem.  If our physical reality is stable because it is made up of the shared thought or intent or thought energy of all the consciousness which is apart of it, what happens to the thought energy which is rejected as part of our stable physical reality.  If thought energy creates, then all thought energy must create, not just the thought energy which is used to make part of our physical reality.

I interpret "stable" as being in a state of thermodynamic equilibrium. In this view, the physical reality is not stable, because it is an "open system" and there is constantly flowing energy and information (and even matter) into the system from its "harmonically positioned" surroundings (as the astral world). Human beings can be thought of as filters. The "energies" which flow from the astral world reach us (filters) and we try to make the physical universe stable. We organise these "energies" into infrastructures and "reject" or "forget" superfluous thought-energy. This redundant "energy" is re-routed to the astral world.


In comes the here-now area.  It exists as a place for those thought energies to express themselves and dissipate without having a negative effect on this physical reality.  It would not do to have all thought energy randomly popping into physical existence and then disappearing once the thought or intent which created it vanished.  By having the here-now, there is safe way for these thought-energies to manifest and go unnoticed.  That is unnoticed as long as we don't go poking around through obes.

That's why i called it a "buffer". The function of a buffer is to "catch" perturbations (turbulence) originating in the environment (the astral world). But those "thought energies" express themselves through us (human beings). So we give shape to them in the "buffer zone".


But i believe there is something wrong with your theory. You say that the purpose of the "buffer zone" is contained within the reality fluctuations themselves. But these are part of the "buffer zone" so they can't be used to explain the phenomenon. Because you cannot explain a phenomenon in terms of the phenomenon itself. There has to be a "meta-phenomenon". You never mention the astral world in your theory, and i believe this is the key.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 22:28:11 »

I will do a longer reply in a bit, short on time but wanted to make a couple of quick points.

First off thanks for your replies and insights.  As I said this is just a little thought I came up with, I think it is interesting, though at this point I don't believe this is how things are myself, just some interesting food for thought.

About here-now being an exact copy of physical reality.  I do not believe this could be the case.  If this was the case we would have no reality fluctuations as our senses are made, designed, and pretty darn good at interpreting physical reality.  The fact reality fluctuations pop up suggests there is a sensory input stream we must on the fly try and interpret which we are not use to.  This would not be the case if it was an exact copy, it would just simply be an exact copy no interpreting problems.  In my hypothesis there are more than one version of the real-time zone or buffer zone and some are closer with less fluctuations.  Also if this was the case objective proof would be very easy to come by.  I could see this as just being my own lack of level of consciousness however even the most advanced projectors cannot come back with really good objective proof on a consistent basis.

The point about reality fluctuations coming from the astral.  I am not a huge fan of the old astral model, however even using this model it would be much more likely the fluctuations would come from physical reality, which would be at much closer frequency to the real-time zone than from the astral which is much further away (frequency speaking).  I don't think even under that model the astral would have a huge impact on physical reality or the real-time zone.  The astral is it's own place and does it's own thing.

As for the real-time zone being a playground.  I do not see it as this way.  Rarely does it seem it is used for this.  We make our own subjective versions of reality for this purpose (dream landscapes), In my experience there is also an objective real-time zone which must have a different function.

Again thanks for the input and sorry for any typos I didn't have time to do a good proof read on this one.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 23:15:37 »

I haven't updated my website since January... wow... ok, I need to get back on top of that.
For now, here is the second last article I wrote for my website back then.

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2015/01/23/astral-projection-individual-collective-areas-consciousness-exist/

There are these non-physical concepts floating around that there are these “areas” of consciousness which are “individual” in nature, meaning it’s only you there experiencing it and “collective” in nature, meaning that it’s you experiencing the reality with many other individuals/awarenesses/entities/beings/etc. When you look at consciousness as a whole, you realize that this kind of separation is simply illogical. Allow me to explain.

By the very nature that everything is consciousness – everything is collective. There is only “everything”. The simple fact is that the individualness you experience on a daily basis (the idea that you are separate from everyone else) is an illusion. So when people have a projection and they seem to be in a reality all by themselves, or they have what they will arbitrarily label as a lucid dream, they come to the conclusion that they were within some individual area of consciousness which is only for them and them alone.

There’s only your perception of individual and collective experiences. The difference is like standing in a crowded room with a blindfold that blocks all light from your eyes and ear plugs that block all noise from your ears and then making the, obviously plain as day assumption that you’re all alone. Your perception says that since you can’t see or hear anyone else that you were all by yourself, even though standing all around you are these other individuals. That’s how the non-physical / consciousness kind of works.

You’re never alone. You only perceive yourself to be because that how you’re currently interpreting the reality that you’re experiencing. Someone / something could be standing right in front of you and you’d never see them because you just don’t perceive them.

This is also what I mean when I say that WHAT you experience is Objective, but HOW you experience it is Subjective. So how do you experience something closer to how it’s Objectively presented? You need to keep yourself grounded and centered. This will remove as much subjectiveness as possible which is being fueled by your own awareness. Even then, if you’re able to do that, you still might not ever experience something 100% objective as it’s really presented.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2015, 02:24:12 »

@Xanth

Thanks for sharing, very interesting.  Your metaphor is very similar to the classic plato writing of 'the cave'.

I see where you are coming from but at the same time I'm not sure I agree that the mind is not capable of creating it's own reality only encountered by itself.  Will have to think on this.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2015, 08:22:16 »

I don't know that it is so much figuring out the purpose of this RTZ/here-now area as it is maybe realizing the ability to activate our awareness within the 'vehicle of consciousness' within this area. The Theosophical model describes this energy body as the Etheric and for lack of a better, more modern description I haven't come across anything to replace it. The Theosophical model explains that we progressively activate and learn to work within these energy bodies of increasing frequency and distance from the Physical plane.

Theosophical theory explains that the Etheric experience has very definite limitations and we pretty quickly move beyond it and begin activating our Astral energy body, followed by our Mental body...and so on.

My own experience tends to confirm this, as does my reading of others' experiences; we spend our initial experiences struggling for physical-like exits, crawling/staggering/swimming around our bedrooms and nearby rooms or the local neighborhood...most of this is in a black and white, or gray, or sepia colored environment that 'seems' to mirror our physical world. At some point, our experiences shift into what is apparently a higher order of some sort...full technicolor and a different kind of substantiability than the previous; Phasing seems to be the appropriate term. Once we leave the prior area, it seems difficult to go back.
As has been discussed, there appear to be all kinds of fluctuations, distortions and bleed-throughs that can occur and I agree with the concept of each of us being a 'filter' for these energies.

astralm, you mentioned other authors' theories on this topic. I would suggest checking out Kurt Leland and his book The Multidimensional Human, if you can track down a copy of it (due for republishing in the Fall).
Leland also explores the idea that within each of these newly developed energy bodies, we have entirely new senses that have to be realized and developed in order to understand the new environment we operate within.

The discussion then, of individual versus collective realities, becomes very intriguing...I still don't pretend to have an answer.Lol
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 09:53:42 »

 To me, Locale 1 and the real time zone seem like pardon the expression the "newbie" zones. These are the areas that one finds themselves simply because a new experiencer is still using a "physical" frame of thought. This changes later on in your experiences, but only when your mindset changes and also if you intend to see other.

 People like Jurgen Ziewe, Kurt Leland, Robert Peterson and the like have spent their lives investigating all the realms of the Astral and they still haven't even scratched the surface. They are also still actively involved in Astral exploration and do find "blueprints" and maps of sorts that show them that there is a form and structure in the Astral. My own personal experiences have shown this to be true as well. I have many Journals that I can look back on and see "patterns" all over the place. Many cultures like the Hindus, the Tibetans, the Mayans etc. have built their cultural beliefs based on what they have experienced in other realms.

 I find that these days modern man is too quick to dismiss what many Masters of the past have taught. Modern man seems to think that it was just those past culture's interpretation of events and experiences and that now "we" know better. But I don't think that is the truth. Personally from what I see and experience I stay with the Theosophical models as my belief system, until I am shown other.

 Kurt Leland's and Jurgen Ziewe's books and videos are very informative if you wish to keep your mind open to other thinking on this subject.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 13:44:38 »

About here-now being an exact copy of physical reality.  I do not believe this could be the case.  If this was the case we would have no reality fluctuations as our senses are made, designed, and pretty darn good at interpreting physical reality.  The fact reality fluctuations pop up suggests there is a sensory input stream we must on the fly try and interpret which we are not use to.  This would not be the case if it was an exact copy, it would just simply be an exact copy no interpreting problems.  In my hypothesis there are more than one version of the real-time zone or buffer zone and some are closer with less fluctuations.

If our senses are made to interpret reality and cause the fluctuations, what makes you think that the closer versions of the real-time zone escape our interpretations?

There are two factors to consider here; human beings and their environment. Humans form a map in their head about aspects of the environment. This map creates reality fluctuations in the case of experiencing the real-time zone. But if you take away the humans, the environment continues to exist, and it is this form of the real-time zone i'm talking about; pure, untouched by the mind.

The point about reality fluctuations coming from the astral.  I am not a huge fan of the old astral model, however even using this model it would be much more likely the fluctuations would come from physical reality, which would be at much closer frequency to the real-time zone than from the astral which is much further away (frequency speaking).  I don't think even under that model the astral would have a huge impact on physical reality or the real-time zone.  The astral is it's own place and does it's own thing.

The old model is the best model we have; the theosophical one. There are four subsystems that need to be adressed here: The astral world, the real-time zone, the physical reality and human beings. These all form one system. A system is characterized by its structure, its parts and the relationships and interactions that exist between these parts. This means that the four subsystems are interrelated in a systems (structural) and cybernetic (functional) way. An interpretation starts with an initial condition. Let's take desire in this case. It all starts with desire in this system. Desire originates in the astral world. Then it finds its way to the etheric body (because of the will of the Solar Logos to manifest). The function of the etheric body (analog is real-time zone or buffer) is to catch perturbations (or to handle shocks) caused by these desires. In this way, the physical body doesn't get harmed by the subtle nature of desire. Once this desire manifests through the appropriate filter, a kind of map is formed in the brain of the human. This map clouds the "pure" physical reality the human perceives and this generates a thought about that clouded perceived reality. This thought resonates with the real-time zone and creates reality fluctuations when the human is polarized in that zone.

This is a simple description, but it shows more or less how everything is connected. There are other concepts which have to be taken into account, like the mental plane, the plane of intuition and the three higher planes. This is more complex, but nevertheless it forms a whole.

In my experience there is also an objective real-time zone which must have a different function.

Like i said; its function is to handle shocks or perturbations.

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2015, 00:05:25 »

Little background about myself.  I have been exploring, experimenting, researching, and studying consciousness and the nature of reality for over 15 years now.  Along with quite of a bit of research into various religions and how the basis of their models (not the 'churches of these religions' but the basis of the religion itself) express these concepts.  So I am very familiar with the theosophical models of reality as well as most major modern ones.  I only add this as a note that my deviation from them is not due to a lack of knowledge about them.
EDIT:  Would like to add just because I am quite familiar with most of the major models in this field I certainly am not claiming that I know everything about them or that I am familar with all works in this field or anything like that.

I use to spend lots of nights wondering how these things and different levels of consciousnesses fit together for my personal growth and advancement.  We tend to take the viewpoint of looking from the angle of how they are there to help us.  It is all about us as individual travels and seekers of knowledge and truth and growth.  We get this thrown at us from almost every major author and religion.  How you can become enlightened, or get a place in heaven, or eliminate your personal fear of death and know there is an afterlife (tool of choice for many obe authors).  The fact of the matter is it is probably very unlikely we are meant to even have wide spread access to these areas.  It would not make very much sense to make a system where you take someone and put them into a physical reality with the point being for them to spend most of their time traveling outside of the reality.  Don't get me wrong, projection can be used as a tool for growth, but it is not the main point or the main tool that we are suppose to be using.

If it was the main tool it would not be so hard to achieve and there would not be so many blocks against it (At least for conscious use).  We have drives that we cannot without great difficulty suppress.  Sexual drives and reproduction, social interaction and nourishment .  These are basic drives and probably the basic tools we are meant to use for growth while here in pmr.

We have to bend, pry at, manipulate, and spend many hours just to get ourselves out of this pmr with our lucidity intact.  Then once there we have to overcome more obstacles to interpret and remember the experiences to any benefit.  This would be a terrible system if this was our main tool for growth.  Again this is something we can use as a tool, the fact there is a way at all and there is help once there for further growth means this is not something wrong or that we shouldn't be doing.  Please don't think I am saying that.  Only that it was not the main design for this reality system.

Since it was not the main design for us to be using this it is highly unlikely things like the here-now area exist as a newbie zone or training zone or that we have several different advancing levels of energy bodies which are there for us to 'grow' into the abilities of each like leveling up a character on a video game and getting new powers.  Now these may be a very nice side-effect of the system and are awesome as a way for those ready to advance growth, but it is unlikely our use of these and our seriously limited interpretation of them ran through our pmr senses is their Main Purpose.

All that was basically to lay the background so you know when I proposed my hypothesis, it's aim was to come at the topic from an angle of why here-now might exist OTHER than for our own obe advancements, cause while it can be used for this, I do not believe this is it's main purpose.

So why do we have access to npmr at all if this is not our main goal or tool for growth here in pmr?  I do not know for sure but the best hypothesis is probably that it simply is required.  Our consciousness is not part of this pmr, therefore some form of access between pmr and npmr best exist for exchange of information and allowing of free will choices to be made.  Also there has to be ways for the information gathered here to go to the hard-drive in the sky or wherever it goes.  Pmr obviously has a purpose, perhaps it is to lower overall entropy and advance evolution, such as Tomas Campbell purposes, though I think taking driving pmr concepts and just deciding they are the main driving force for all of npmr might be a little naive.  Chances are it is a purpose so far beyond our ability to comprehend we can't even hope to grasp it other than with extremely limited kindergarten level models and dumbed down concepts.

Again thanks for the view points and inputs from all.  It is great places like this still exist where conversations like this can happen.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2015, 19:12:31 »

I like your comments Astralm.
 The one thing I cannot comprehend in all this is after the first 5 years of 100% RTZ experiences, these being my introduction at an early age, a massive change then occurred.
I was shown things and places I knew nothing of. The characters of those guiding me were not known barring just two. The environment itself, new to me and nothing from memory could have been part of its creation. Some things shown hadn't occurred in the physical and these stretched 40 years into the future.
Many times I've tried to get an experience into the RTZ and constantly get moved on into a retrieval or a test of sorts. The old school ideal has a lot of impact on my learning but it seems flawed in some way.

Let's assume it's a training ground for now, what do we know that supports or fails this assumption?

360 degree vision and spatial awareness where your centre of direction isn't aligned with your intended direction of travel is one that's a strong support as a training ground. In these experiences, you are a point source if consciousness.

Seeing a perfect copy of the physical world is available if your mind is pure and no emotional distress or human interaction has occurred at the location you're at.
However, being in an interactive location ( buildings changed over time or a congregational area) the 'extras' seen are present and adding any thoughts of your own concious or subconscious will also place 'extras' in your immediate environment. This can become challenging to your perception if you are searching for a verification of something like a card on a high shelf. These tests can only be done in an environment free of any interaction and no thoughts or intent of seeing a known object. A random occurance has proved this many times through personal experiences.
Overall, it appears that more can be deduced from the purpose of the RTZ with input from everyone's experiences.

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2015, 00:32:26 »

Great post Szaxx, it touches on some of my observations and thoughts which I am not sure I got across clearly due to the complexity of the hypothesis I put out. At the core what I am looking at is where the reality fluctuations originate.  Most view points on this is that they originate either from within the RTZ observer (you) or that they come from interactions with other planes, bleeding from the 'astral' etc.  One point I think is interesting to look at is how these fluctations increase when you go to areas where interaction with others occurs, as you pointed out in your post.  So my premise is based on this.

1.  Information can be gained through the RTZ which should not be known to the projector otherwise.  There are numerous examples of this and this I believe is strong evidence that the RTZ is more than just an internally created copy of pmr.
2.  Thoughts and intent of the projector manifest within the RTZ as what are commonly referred to as reality fluctuations.
3.  Reality fluctuations increase or seem to manifest or increase in instances where the projector in a scenario where interactions with others occurs.

There seem to be 3 different possibilities for the origin of the reality fluctuations.

1.  They are produced internally by the projector.
2.  They are 'blood' into the RTZ from pmr.
3.  They are 'blood' into the RTZ from different npmr 'locations'.  Locations of course is used loosely as location has a different meaning in npmr.

My conclusion

1.  Reality fluctuations can be due to the thoughts/emotions/intent of the projector and these are the major cause of reality fluctuations in most situations.
2.  However due to the fact that interactions greatly increase reality fluctuations, even when to the best knowledge the mind of the projector is 'clear' than they also must be able to be originated from others within pmr.
3.  The RTZ is closer to pmr than any other version of reality so the most likely scenario of any bleed through effects would be from pmr and not any other locations.  And/Or if there was bleed through from other locations they would be diluted and have less of an impact on the RTZ compared to effects from pmr sources.

What I find interesting and not often talked about are points 2 and 3.  It is often ignored the possibility of the origin of reality fluctuations being from within pmr itself (specifically the inhabitants of pmr) and not solely due to causes internal to the projector.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2015, 12:58:19 »

1, Without pages of support, I'm in agreement on the protocol requiring no previous itinerary in any form. A simple unknown location and a random object will suffice.
2, From my early day's and being very young, the reality fluctuations were extremely rare. No intent other than a basic decision to go into the woods (if possible) was made. No SP or vibes ever occurred at an exit, just floating upwards into a dark room and waiting for the light to appear.
As the woods had one area in a secluded spot (for lovers), there was nothing that stood out as constantly changing its contents.
My mind was very innocent and I had no desires apart from flying in the trees. Reality fluctuations only occurred in one other spot, this was at the rear gate of one of the bordering houses 50 feet away from the tree line. This, although rarely seen, appeared as a human form not developed in any detail and was perceived as a violet haze with anger and longing attached to it. I stayed clear of it after feeling this strangeness.
This is likely anothers manifestation forming from their previous interaction in this location.
A few years ago I had an experience flying over one of our reservoirs and near the end of the flight a building appeared. This was also a hazy apparition, research showed it to be a large house that was demolished over 40 or so years ago. A bridge at the final part of the flight was seen, I never knew this existed and research proved that seen as an exact replica as in the photo found.
There must be many occasions where fluctuations go unnoticed. As everything is thought oriented, these manifestations are inherent from the operation structure itself.
It adds a power-up to where there's a will, there's a way.
Perhaps it was a thought that created the physical universe eons ago. The fluctuations would then be part and parcel of it. We can create these in the NP easily, think about apports, perhaps things are closer than realised.
3,  The false awakening environment you are convinced is real, is the closest thing to the physical. It may be the RTZ at 100% phased, its only when you become aware of any fluctuations that you click its not the physical.
Many interlinking ties to the physical exist when you enter a building and you can feel its past. This can't be explained with materialistic thinking, something exists in these locations. At times they are strong enough to be disturbing.
Can we all work it out ?

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