Reading while OBE, part 2

[Kazbadan]

Please lets not start another discussion about what is not or not real.

When i spoke about that i mean a different thing. In my post by real in mean that when you obe you will be in a rality that is common to evrybody. Even more easy: reality is the realtime zone where thinsg dont change even if you obe ( i mean, they change even with obe because, if obes are real, thoughts have some power). By real i mean that if you obe to a place where, in real life (this life, this awaken world common to everybody) there is a paper with a code and you see that code while obing then, when u get back to your body you will confirm indeed that the code was that.

Thats my definition for "obes are real".


Of course that for everything else you are right guys: even if obes are not real (by my definition) they still be useful and fun (read some books about lucid dreams to see the benefits you may get with lucid dreaming).

[kiwibonga]

To follow up on this, I've been experiencing things of an energetic nature that helped me better understand how to concentrate on an astral locale.

Basically, you have to try and feel the astral body and make it expand, feel wires coming out of it and focus your attention on objects ; something happens automatically when you focus on something, it's as if wires came out of you and grab whatever you're looking at. As you spread this "area of influence" into objects around you, you become more strongly anchored into the dreamscape and your lucidity increases dramatically.

I am still experimenting with this, but it seems to be extremely effective -- not only for astral reading, but for pretty much anything that involves deepening an altered state and remaining away from the body.

[catmeow]

Please lets not start another discussion about what is not or not real.

Ok - I'm getting tired of it too!

[upstream]

Basically, you have to try and feel the astral body and make it expand, feel wires coming out of it and focus your attention on objects ; something happens automatically when you focus on something, it's as if wires came out of you and grab whatever you're looking at. As you spread this "area of influence" into objects around you, you become more strongly anchored into the dreamscape and your lucidity increases dramatically.

Finally someone who understand..lol. You put it so clearly kiwibonga. Basically what you described is the process by which the allocentric perceptual space turns into egocentric during the stabilization of the dream state. In the background I suspect a slowly condensing sensory field that keeps in touch with other energy fields by thread like spurs driven by pure attention. You may find my guide to RTZ OBE from LD useful. It's really an outrage against English, but I approach the problem from a very practical point of view that you might find useful. If you found something relevant please post in that topic, it seriously needs more attention.

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