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« on: November 30, 2006, 17:18:19 »

does anybody know of any scientific explanation for the vibrational state. I ask because I know it is real, i have experienced this very intensly, I wonder if science sees it as physiological of pshycological. Any ideas?
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2006, 17:38:48 »

Some time ago Upstream gave me what I consider was the best explanation for vibrations that I have heard.  I would pm him and invite him to take a stab at it.
And yes, I do believe they are 'real', that is, a non-subjective experience.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2006, 02:53:24 »

I don't think there is a scientific explination for these vibrations. If there is i would like to see. However my guess would be its psychological. If it were physical i would have to buy new beds occasionally  cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2006, 04:55:02 »

I'd say they are part of the physiology of your astral or etheric body. I know your physical body stays still when you are experiencing vibrations so one would assume science would struggle to explain something that it cannot measure.

I woudn't say it's entirely psychological because something is definately happening, unless all of us are suffering from the same delusion?

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2006, 05:06:27 »

I think I have a good explanation.  Plain and simply it's some form of matter that is shaken by some form of sound. 

let me explain, everytime when i sleep on my back or when my sleep is disturbed and I get up and go back to sleep on my back.  A few moments before the vibrations start I hear this unearthly and strange buzzing I don't know the best words to hint to you what it is, if your familiar with Tinitus then I am sure you know the sound I am talking about, except that this Tinitus sound is amplified 100 times and its radiating through my whole skull, not just my ears, and probably my whole body, maybe whats causing the whole body to vibrate is that sound.   Because I know when I hear that sound and am conscious and paralyzed that I am in that state.  At the same time as the vibrations and paralysis, I feel pressure in different spots of the body moving around constantly as if it's a circle of pressure that just pops up from anywhere it wants.  I also notice different parts of my face pulling forward.  I swear to God I feel another part of myself under myskin pulling forward and moving.  It is undeniable, it is not a dream if I get in that paralysis state, I can distinguish it from a dream because in dreams, my face and different parts of my body don't just get pulled and vibrated like that.  I know there is something more to our physical self then science can detect.  I know there is something inside of us.  They are already aware of dark matter so they are on good progress.  That pulling sesation is wavy kind of sensation.  What ever it is that we are under this physical body, I know it has properties of wave.  some form of energy that has no shape except for the shape it can BELIEVE it can take is what i believe it to be.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2006, 05:35:23 »

Interesting you bring up this. I have been considering some sought of 'wave' explanation for OBE's of course it would not be total, but every piece of the puzzle is significant at this stage.

It has already been dabbed on before. You would of heard of "frequencies of consciousness". Possibly an area of focus in the future.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2006, 05:53:04 »

Ap Friends,

From experience and my own studies, I was able to capture myself on video camera three times during the obe state with heavy virbations at full force. My physical body remained quit, silent, and still. A few things would happen during like a limb, face gesture, but this was subtle and hardly noticable.

My best guess is that there's physical and energy body interacts with one another on a frequency not detectable by science or machinary. I will eventually like to get with my family doctor and see if I'm able to conduct further testing in the lab.

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2006, 08:07:23 »

Do you think it's futile attempting to convince people that OBE's exist?

I'm not saying don't conduct such experiments, if all the resources are available go ahead. I do wonder whether people will ever truly accept OBE's prior to the exeperience of one. That being said, I suppose the information itself could create subconscious belief leading to projection. Furthermore, it gives us a sense of satisfaction as well.

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2006, 09:23:48 »

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yeah I think its futile trying to convience science or the world. but to conduct your own experiments for yourself and to share with others is what's it all about. also for deeper spiritual education.

There's nothing for me to prove if there is life after death and how we are able to tap into that level of consciousness.   for spiritual developement and deeper soul searching doing the work , faith and with experience is what I explain to skeptical minds.

I am also working on another  interview along with a book on experiments with obes which justifies collecting the data.

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2006, 13:46:42 »

Regarding vibrations, something which others seem to have little interest in is the vibrations felt on low dose DMT experiences. It's not something I've experienced myself (DMT) but descriptions sound amazingly like the OBE (electric) vibrations. Even more itneresting is the similarity between higher dose DMT experiences (full obe episodes) and full obes.
I would really like more research done into this area.
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2006, 17:55:50 »

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I thought that you experienced the vibrations during the obe?

My first 5-10 obe's, I didn't have any vibrations until I went over my friends house.
He had vibrations all the time, tell me about them, and how what a shock they
when first experienced.

Now, the vibes are lite, relaxing and plesant but the early days I was holding onto my
hernia belt...Smiley

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2006, 21:06:16 »

My experience with the vibrations go as follows,

   I am asleep, usually after having trouble getting to sleep, or getting woken up then going back to sleep, I will wake up. I will feel disorientated, then the vibrations will begin, at which point I began to apply my will to exiting.
   
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2006, 06:24:01 »

Perhaps on topic, could they link in with "tingles up your spine" at all? They remind me of a wave when they occur.

For scientific studies there would have to be something that is measureable. In this case, what would it be? Has anyone hooked themselves up to a multimeter and had the readings recorded?

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2006, 06:57:50 »

I've placed a microphone into a stethoscope to conduct my experiment where I wore three times in two days where I was able to enter the trance with the vibes. Only thing that picked up was lite breathing, my heart rate slowing down from wake to trance and some snoring. No crackle, snap, or pop sounds heard.

I was talking with Major Tom and he mentioned that there were studies that were able to record (I think) the subtle vibrations and sleep parasysis. But what is interesting is that if this was proven by science, we would be hearing about this to no end of it being hullucinatory.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2006, 07:11:50 »

But what is interesting is that if this was proven by science, we would be hearing about this to no end of it being hullucinatory.

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Usually when something is proven scientifically it is replicated numerous times and takes a while before it is fully accepted by the scientific community. The amount of people with the resources and interest in such phenomena to perform controlled experiments laboratory conditions is unfortunately small. This can potentially hold back a lot of information for us.

Do you know what instruments were used to measure the vibrations?

Has anyone come across any studies that offer a scientific explanation AGAINST vibrations, perhaps this could be used as a vehicle for us. Perhaps we may also have a few shaking heads  cheesy

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2006, 07:54:03 »

my vehicle is this - do the research, experience and then draw your conclusions if it was real or not. don't base a quick judement over a few months, but years...

i'll post my findings, experiences, knowledge to share, not to prove...

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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2006, 23:07:20 »

 I wouldnt immediately associate it with tingling in the spine, I wouldnt even place it in the same catogory. The vibrations associated with projection are infinitely more intense in my experience.
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2006, 23:31:47 »

does anybody know of any scientific explanation for the vibrational state. I ask because I know it is real, i have experienced this very intensly, I wonder if science sees it as physiological of pshycological. Any ideas?

check out the book infinite mind by valiere v. hunt good book basically she was a scientist who experiementedthe bio magnetic field and shamanic healing by using nassau's top brand machinary

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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2006, 00:32:45 »

I remember writing here about vibrations. I'll try to reproduce that from memory.
From my personal experience vibrations are the most "objective" aspect of an OBE. I put that in quotes, because its not purely objective, i.e. cannot be seen by others. I doubt that these can be even measured by instruments. Perhaps instruments that measure neural activity in nerves can detect something.

Objective here means that you are 100% sure that they are occurring and that they did occur (even after years) and they feel as real as other things around you in waking state.

I've experienced these kinds of vibrations :
1 - Swing : Feels like you are on a swing with your eyes closed.
2 - Earthquake : Feels as if whole bed, room and yourself are rocking gently, just like an earthquake.
3 - Pins : Tiny pins all over the body.
4 - Buzz : Just a mild buzz.
5 - Electricity : The most famous and productive. Feel like being electrocuted, but no pain. Sometimes pleasurable.
6 - Waves of electricity : These start from a corner of your body , say feet, and move to other parts in waves and soon spread.
7 - Tingle : Touch of an angel type, when someone touches back of your neck or with a feather.
8 - Lightning : Raw power of vibrations, happens when you are new to OBEing. Feels like you are dying, go out of control.
9 - Pure vibes : You'll know when they come. Sometimes a loving presence is felt, almost motherly. They result in good OBEs.
10 - Dirty vibes : You'll know when they come. Results in nothing, perhaps you are too tired or mentally disturbed.

Strongest vibrations bring you nicest OBEs. The problem is they stop occurring as you get more experienced. I don't know the reason.

I recommended neural activity measurements for a reason. I believe that vibrations occur as a result of our brains cutting off connection with sensory and motor neurons, as it fall asleep. Normally we are not aware of this, but with some OBE training its possible to keep conscious while this is taking place.
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2006, 21:26:07 »

I think the vibrations are our etheric body trying to align itself with the astral body. Basicaly trying to phase the awarness into one of the astral realms. I've noticed how the vibrations vary in frequency depending on which realm I'm phasing into. This is an over simplification but pretty much sums it up, IMO.

Lately,  I'm starting to feel them while wide awake but very relaxed.
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2006, 22:30:36 »

I think the vibrations are our etheric body trying to align itself with the astral body.
I agree. Align with or separate from. I doubt it can be measured as physical vibrations.

I recommended neural activity measurements...
It doesn't really correlate with vibrations, but an unusual EEG was recorded when they did the infamous "Miss Z" experiment, where she correctly read a 5-digit number during an OBE, but they later found the number could have been read if she had a flashlight.
http://www.soultravel.nu/2004/040326-MissZ/index.shtml
"a non-dreaming, non-awake brain wave stage.. and no activation of the autonomic nervous system"
Vibrations are involuntary? So that makes me think they're not a "physical" experience. The study was only on ONE person though.

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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2006, 12:01:49 »

MisterJingo,

I thought that you experienced the vibrations during the obe?

My first 5-10 obe's, I didn't have any vibrations until I went over my friends house.
He had vibrations all the time, tell me about them, and how what a shock they
when first experienced.

Now, the vibes are lite, relaxing and plesant but the early days I was holding onto my
hernia belt...Smiley

Tvos

99% of my OBEs have varying degrees of vibrations, but I haven't found anything but belief to link them with energetic interactions between subtle bodies. People will disagree with this Iím sure, as their experience might of reinforced the belief of these energetic interactions until such subtle bodies are a part of their reality of OBE.
If we look at every single OBE technique, the one thing they have in common is taking focus away from the physical. This might be through the use of active visualisation (tactile or visual), or bordering sleep and getting immersed in hypnogogics, or even staring at the blackness until such dissociation occurs. At this point the 3d blackness is felt (altered state of consciousness interpreted as a 3d blackness), and then either separation and/or vibrations - which seems to be due to this dissociation (might possibly have roots in DMT release and sensory deprivation making the effects much more pronounced).
For OBEs, sleep paralysis (or the mechanism behind it) is triggered, and I guess we experience our body in this new creative environment (RTZ) due to expectation rather than base reality dictating consciousness needs an energy body to be separated. The fact we have bodies even in mindless dreams suggest this body creation reflex is pretty ingrained in our mind (we do experience sensation from body at every waking second reinforcing its shape and action). Proficient OBErs generally find they have no body as they become more experienced or can create any body at will.
For AP, the body is created for the same reason.
The above doesnít go into detail, but at least covers a few things I have found, and partly explains why I left beyond the whole subtle body /energy interaction belief.
The core is simply diverting sufficient attention away from the physical to invoke whatever default mechanism are contained within the brain to kick start the OBE/AP generation processes.

Iíve seen many people basing everything on this energy body model, and practicing making this model part of their core belief and consequent world view to little or no benefit to their OBE practices. This is because they are diverting their energy in the wrong direction. Energy bodies are a tool to divert attention, not a goal in and of themselves.
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2006, 04:42:24 »

I did a search of health forums a while ago to see if anyone had experienced vibrations as part of a known medical condition. What I found were several reports looking quite similar to exit sensations, while having no known medical cause. The Google link quotes a bunch of posts from around the web.

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I get the same thing.. vibrations feel so strong I think I'm going to lift off and fly around the moon. I also get this feeling in my back mostly, sometimes my chest, like a current is running through me... anyone who's ever been on a TENS machine, which puts a current through to relax muscles will understand that it is that exact feeling I get.
Sometimes I can burn it off, if relaxation doesn't help, just get up and start doing housework and moving around... burns off a bit of the anxiety adrenalin.
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I've been having "internal" tremor-like feelings for over 1 and 1/2 years. I describe it as a resonating or vibrating feeling. It happens everytime I'm going into sleep and many times during awakening. Without some type of sleep aid, it can awaken me during the night. It has dramaticallly affected the quality of my sleep. It doesn't matter whether I'm in bed or taking a nap in a recliner. I'm 56 years old, 6 ft and about 190 lbs. I'm physically active, but retired. I take medication for excessive reflux(prilosec) and irritable bowel syndrome(levsinex). I've had a sleep apnea study and seen a neuro-phychologist. The phyc found me normal, without any notable anxiety, and I experienced only 8 short episodes of apnea, only on my back, during the sleep study. I've tried stopping my various medications, increasing exercise, etc. with no luck. My doctor prescribed Xanax, which helps me sleep longer, but just knocks me out so much I don't know I'm having problems, and I don't like the fact it is addictive. The length of these feelings used to be about 5-10 secs and are now much longer, sometimes over a minute. I also seem to have unusual dreams associated with this disorder which I never experienced before. I have difficulty recalling the details of the dreams when fully awake. The weird thing is that there is no external tremors, shaking, or vibrating like I'm feeling internally. The feeling is centered in my chest and upper body, nothing in my lower extremities. I continually check my pulse when awake enough and find no rapidness or irregularity with my heartbeat. A year ago I had a heart catheter and was told everything looks good. The only other symptoms I experience are sometimes my top forearm, thumb, and first two fingers go to sleep, depending on which side I sleep. Has anyone else ever experienced this and can offer some help? Doctors have yet to find a solution to the problem.
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Every morning i wake up im getting a deep vibration (feels like a motor running inside my body) and at first i thought there was a small earth tremor happening ! It makes the bed shake slightly and my partner can feel it if she holds my arms when its happening. i feel that its centered somewhere in my head. but dissapears after about 30 seconds of waking up !!!! Sometimes it wakes me up and it feels like im having some kind of siezure all over my body and head, even though i dont loose conciousness. On some occasions (like the last few days i cant get to sleep. just as im about to drop of i get a strange feeling in my body, my heart beat goes up and i feel rough !!! this can happen 20-30 times in a night. i can sometimes only manage to get sleep if i take a zopiclone sleeping pill. about 6 weeks ago i went 5 days and 5 nights with no sleep because something in my brain wouldnt let me drop off ! im getting real worried now. Thanks for your help in advance.
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2006, 09:54:03 »

About vibrations... what I think:

Everything in the Universe is vibrating. Everything has its own frequency. I could saw it, clearly, in the first section of a "documentary", called cymatics, I got it from the torrent net (in "mininova", I think).

Physical Body has one vibrational rate, and astral body has other one.

While they are disconnecting, you can feel, in your physical body, the vibrations (higher pitched ones) of the astral body.

What I think... about vibrations.

See you !!!!
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2006, 13:04:33 »

In terms of vibrations I'd agree.

Everything does resonate at it's own frequency. In fact the phenomena of one object appearing in two places is explained by the same frequency. Meaning that, say for example, the same cup is at two ends of a table. Hard to comprehend if you look at it in solid terms but in terms of frequencies it's easier to understand how it can simply manifest itself in two different places, simultaneously.

I'll steer clear of explaining the feeling of vibrations as it may cause some confusion. To me, they are more of an energy body sensation than anything physical.

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