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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2012, 04:22:22 »

I felt something that fits the description of this "silver cord" back around 1974, as a young man just starting to explore Buddhist meditation techniques.

.... Wayyyyy before I read anything about the "silver cord" specifically, that I can recall. Certainly nothing about how it tugs you at the back of the head/neck to call you back to the body after an extended and very deep inner exploration.
It's kind of a what came first situation... the chicken or the egg. 
Would you have given the experience a second thought had you never heard of the "silver cord" phenomenon?
At the time of your experience in 1974, did you wonder what was up about it?  And have you ever experienced it again?

Suffice to say that if the Silver Cord was something everyone had... I'd assume there be more detailed experiences recanting it.
It's very plausible that everyone attempts to fit their experience per a definition that someone else is giving of the mystical "silver cord".

In my opinion, that's my explanation for a phenomenon that nobody can actually verify (given that this isn't a verifiable subject to begin with LoL). 
I think people are attempting to see a connection where one doesn't exist.

Just my two cents.  Smiley

As for a pancreas... I can easily prove the physical existence of a pancreas by cutting someone open and showing you. 
Suffice to say, proof of a silver cord isn't as easy to come by.  LoL  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2012, 15:02:47 »

The silver cord originates from the bible as Rudolph said. I suspect there are a number of earlier references too.

Traditionally, there have been two types of projection, etheric and astral. Etheric projection is supposed to be the projection of subtle almost gaseous, semi physical subtle body. This subtle body is thought of as animating or giving life to the physical body and involves a silver cord for this purpose. Astral projection is non physical and there is no need for a cord.   If you accept the idea of etheric projection then there may be an actual cord. The vast majority of people on this board are astral projectors and have no need to see a cord.

I know this idea of etheric projection is unpopular these days, but if there is a real objective physical universe, there is no reason why the physical body wouldn't have this semi physical "vitalising" component. It would correspond to the energy field we call the aura and would contain all of the chakras. But basically, the silver cord is associated with etheric projections, not astral projections.
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2012, 15:07:00 »

todd, are your etheric projections confined to the RTZ?
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2012, 16:32:07 »

todd, are your etheric projections confined to the RTZ?

Yes, every etheric projection I have had has been confined to the RTZ.
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2012, 16:52:32 »

Yes, every etheric projection I have had has been confined to the RTZ.
Are they always in areas that are completely recognizable by you?
Or do you find yourself in places where you don't know?
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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2012, 17:48:28 »

The vast majority of people on this board are astral projectors and have no need to see a cord.

This is something I am not so sure about. About 6 months ago I mentioned how I was beginning to suspect that most APers these days are not really Astral Projecting. They are maybe successfully getting out but then immediately slipping into a Lucid Dream. I think this is why so many people say that astral projection=Lucid dreaming=phasing. This might be that because, for them, they really *are* all the same, i.e. a type of Lucid Dream.

This is why I was intrigued by Todd's earlier suggestion about the Etheric projection.

In both occult traditions and in more modern and cynical E.J. Gold writings there is a second body that must be morphed into something more than it is in the default condition. Then it becomes useful for all manner of extraordinary Work.

The 'silver cord' is not just an ancient idea but it is pervasive across various cultures. Depending on the projection method it connects at different points to the body and it is seen as different colors. The Egyptians wrote of it as black in appearance. Others blue or gold.

From Tales of a Dalai Lama, (the Lama had just projected into the sky 'like a kite'), "But now he saw in the distance another huge kite moving toward him, its enormous silver cord lashing dangerously through the air with sounds like a gale...."
hmmmm....
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2012, 21:23:04 »

This is something I am not so sure about. About 6 months ago I mentioned how I was beginning to suspect that most APers these days are not really Astral Projecting. They are maybe successfully getting out but then immediately slipping into a Lucid Dream. I think this is why so many people say that astral projection=Lucid dreaming=phasing. This might be that because, for them, they really *are* all the same, i.e. a type of Lucid Dream

I agree entirely. For me LD and AP are different, LD is a dream and AP is a true consensus reality, and feels real.  However, the fashion is to think of them as the same thing. They may be the same, maybe LDs occur in a private astral reality and AP takes place in a consensus astral reality. Personally I think LDs use "physical consciousness" whilst AP uses a separate "astral consciousness". Why do I think this? Because of the numerous cases of OOBEs I have read, in which the physical body is AWAKE and doing something complicated (like taking a driving test) whilst the astral body is floating around watching the physical.  There must be separate consciousnesses. This is what Robert Bruce said too.

But the fashion these days is to think that LD=AP so I often use the terms interchangeably, avoids endless arguments!

todd, I too would be fascinated to hear a little more of your etheric projections, especially whether you find yourself in your home surroundings and how veridical your observations tend to be?


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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2012, 21:37:03 »

There must be separate consciousnesses. This is what Robert Bruce said too.

But the fashion these days is to think that LD=AP so I often use the terms interchangeably, avoids endless arguments!

Yes, it seems like something along those lines is possible...

I know that I have been OBE and seemed to either have a different 'consciousness' or maybe an ability to tap in to knowledge and skill that I had no knowledge of in my normal waking physical form.

I mean like words I had never heard before coming out of my mouth, going to places that I had no prior knowledge of even existing, utilizing power and skills I never imagined...

I am Seeking answers to the questions I have about many things of this nature.
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2012, 21:49:55 »

I agree entirely. For me LD and AP are different, LD is a dream and AP is a true consensus reality, and feels real.  However, the fashion is to think of them as the same thing. They may be the same, maybe LDs occur in a private astral reality and AP takes place in a consensus astral reality. Personally I think LDs use "physical consciousness" whilst AP uses a separate "astral consciousness". Why do I think this? Because of the numerous cases of OOBEs I have read, in which the physical body is AWAKE and doing something complicated (like taking a driving test) whilst the astral body is floating around watching the physical.  There must be separate consciousnesses. This is what Robert Bruce said too.

But the fashion these days is to think that LD=AP so I often use the terms interchangeably, avoids endless arguments!
While I think/believe one way, and someone else believes another way... in the end, if you really think about it... what label we give the experience doesn't matter. 
I think that what matters most is the experience itself.  Was it helpful?  Was it fun?  Did you learn anything neat/new? 
While I do enjoy spouting my preferred opinion to people about this subject on this forum, in the end, I think we can agree that it doesn't really matter.  Smiley

I can usually read the metaphors someone is using and fit their experience into my terminology rather well in an effort to try and understand their experience from my perspective.
For example, I read "etheric projection" and fit that into my paradigm whereby I know what the poster is trying to say... an experience where they were in a reality which was seemingly like this physical reality.  Obviously, because I can't TRULY know their experience 100% so from time to time, my interpretation will be off.  Smiley

And I firmly believe in avoiding arguments as much as possible.  Nasty things.

todd,
But yes I'm in full agreement here!  Please do share.  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2012, 22:26:32 »

I did see it more than once.  Not every time, but I know it is there.
   
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2012, 22:46:27 »

I did see it more than once.  Not every time, but I know it is there.
Hi Ilza! 

Welcome to the Pulse.  Smiley

We would love to hear your experiences of those events, if you wish to share!
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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2012, 00:23:09 »

todd, I too would be fascinated to hear a little more of your etheric projections, especially whether you find yourself in your home surroundings and how veridical your observations tend to be?

Yes, I always find myself in my bedroom immediately after projecting, except in the occasional lucid dream. All my techniques I use to experience etheric projection have been described in my previous posts. I like to switch up techniques from practice session to practice session to keep my mind fresh to avoid dreamlike qualities in an OBE. If I do the exact same technique every time, I start to lose focus while practicing.

I have never found myself in an another environment that isn't the RTZ, except when I occasionally have a lucid dream. I become alert in a lucid dream by forcing myself to separate (rollout, liftup, etc.) while in the lucid dream, then I wake up in the RTZ. The RTZ is always recognizable as my bedroom or house. I have never went straight from exiting my physical body to outside my house. I have always had to travel from bed to bedroom doorway, to dining room, to living room, to outside, to down the street, and return in a reverse fashion.

Etheric projections are very different than other types of projections. I usually am floating along with a dense energy feeling. I sometimes feel like I am a drunk. I have to body press myself against a door or wall to travel through it. Sight is difficult to achieve in an etheric projection. At least half the time, I have to sense energy to determine where I am at.

Every etheric projection I have had has always lead to falling into a dream or lucid dream if I try to prolong the experience by traveling too far. Etheric projections for me don't last too long. The average is 1 to 5 minutes. I try to get back to my body as soon as possible to remember the experience better and to avoid falling into a lucid dream. The farthest I have traveled in an etheric projection is 12 miles.

Some etheric projections I gain energy from and feel refreshed for the rest of the day, and some I feel a lost of energy. I have never had an etheric projection without vibrations.

I usually separate when I feel a faint tug that usually occurs immediately when the vibrations come. Sometimes it comes slightly later. The tug is difficult to find. I have separated before at the end of the vibrations, but that is a rarer occurrence. I have never separated in the exact middle of the vibrations experience.

I have never met a spirit in the RTZ. I have seen other people and animals that I have assumed were living. I have never been able to speak to anyone while in an etheric projection.

I have had both type of experiences in the RTZ where I would have a body and sometimes I would be like a point of consciousness.

I cannot hear anything while in an etheric projection. That is one of my main clues to whether I am in or out of body.

SInce doing etheric projections, I have been able to feel energy during some movements and interactions while on the physical plane.

Distance is the key to etheric projections. The projections are almost always a very short distance. Every movement feels like energy is being used up. When the energy is entirely used up, you feel the tug of the cord and are sent back to the physical body in a reverse fashion. Abrupt returns end in a jolt to my physical body that I can feel. Smooth returns do not have this jolt.

Travel is made easier in an etheric projection if you pull the your destination towards you versus traveling towards it. Also, I have to keep moving to keep the etheric projection alive. Once I slow down, I feel like my etheric body is starting to lose it's energy fuel and I am back into my physical body in no time.

Etheric projection seems to take a lot of will power and desire to be successful at it. Being too passive seems to affect my successes.

I have been able to move small objects several times in an etheric projection and later verified it. Like I mentioned earlier, sometimes you are sensing where the object is and moving it with your etheric self versus seeing it.

I have a much higher success in achieving etheric projection during the first and second day of a full moon.

There are many things that seem to somewhat lower my successes of an etheric projection: peanuts and other nuts, heavy meats, sex, too hot showers or too much showering, not keeping up shaving your face, mind chatter, too sleepy, any and all medications, listening to too much television or music.

There is sometimes a momentary blackout upon separation and return. The times I don't get the blackout are the best and clearest etheric projections. Sometimes I feel myself re-enter back into my physical body and sometimes I don't. I always feel the exit from the physical body. I have never had a spontaneous etheric projection. It has always happened while consciously practicing a technique.
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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2012, 14:51:53 »

Awesome post todd, thanks so much for sharing in such detail!

What you describe is very similar to what Sylvan Muldoon described in his book, "The Projection of the Astral Body". SM only ever experienced etheric projections. Like you he experienced all sorts of tugs and difficulty moving whilst close to the body. I think he also described the drunkenness feeling. He was confined to the RTZ and could not generally communicate with others he encountered. He also described waking from dreams to find himself projected in the RTZ (I believe you described this as waking from a LD into the RTZ).

Your description is consistent with what I said in my earlier post about etheric projection. I suggested that the etheric double is composed of subtle physical material, taken from the physical body. This material can not be moved far from the physical body, hence your difficulty moving far from the body. SM described the same problem. Being a subtle physical material, the etheric body is able to move small objects as you describe. Your description is very similar to my understanding of etheric projection in many ways.

I think we are all intrigued by your ability to "move small objects"! This is incredibly rare with AP, or at least I haven't really heard of it. However I have certainly heard of people moving small objects, in the early stages of an RTZ projection, whilst close to the physical body. This is because they have access to "etheric matter" from their physical body whilst close to it (at least that is the theory).

Many people will be uncomfortable with this talk of "etheric matter" but I just present it as a theory.

todd, I know you have given a really detailed account, but are you willing to share some of your experiences of moving small objects? I would certainly be very interested!  I think many people would see this as a strong validation. Thanks!
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2012, 00:02:43 »

 Because perception is in the "eye of the beholder" I would say anything is possible. I have never experienced it before, but I'm sure a lot of what I experience people don't see as well. Especially the "disclosure clause" that i am always reminded of. I have already been shown that it must be respected, at least that is in my case.
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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2012, 00:28:48 »

I have certainly heard of people moving small objects, in the early stages of an RTZ projection, whilst close to the physical body. This is because they have access to "etheric matter" from their physical body whilst close to it (at least that is the theory).

Many people will be uncomfortable with this talk of "etheric matter" but I just present it as a theory.

todd, I know you have given a really detailed account, but are you willing to share some of your experiences of moving small objects? I would certainly be very interested!  I think many people would see this as a strong validation. Thanks!

I am totally in agreement with your theory of etheric matter.  

I hope this knowledge of etheric matter never gets lost to the ages. One day you may hear every one say OBE's are only in the mind, and they will say they don't exist on a separate plane. That has me worried greatly because they will say there is no life after death. If more people would try to master etheric projection, a greater number of people will come to the conclusion this stuff is real and there is life after death.

It would be nice to have on astral pulse a section that only discusses etheric matter and etheric projection. So like-minded individuals can present their experiences, validations, and techniques.

I have moved objects under different etheric states. I'll give one example of me actually moving an object from each etheric state.

1) One etheric state is by expanding your etheric body while it is still in the physical body. This would be an etheric ballooning expansion which makes contact with an object to move it. This has to be done relatively close to the physical body, since the etheric body is technically still attached to the physical body, but it has expanded to make contact with the object. The most amazing example of this etheric state is when I have knocked a curtain down off its rail by doing this. This scared me a lot, until I realized what I did. I inspected the curtain afterwards to make sure it was a valid experiment. The curtain came down at the exact same moment I willed my etheric energy towards it.

2) The second etheric state is by actually separating your etheric body from your physical body and moving your etheric body to the object. There is no etheric ballooning effect with this type since there is an actual separation of the etheric body from the physical body. The most amazing example of this etheric state is when I knocked the toilet bowl cleaner handle apparatus off my shower wall frame. I put it here to allow it to dry before I would store it away. This one I had to pull in etheric matter from the environment to make my separated etheric body denser to allow myself to be able to knock it down. After I knocked it down, I went straight back to my body to confirm this experience was successful.


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