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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2012, 22:46:27 »

I did see it more than once.  Not every time, but I know it is there.
Hi Ilza! 

Welcome to the Pulse.  Smiley

We would love to hear your experiences of those events, if you wish to share!
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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2012, 00:23:09 »

todd, I too would be fascinated to hear a little more of your etheric projections, especially whether you find yourself in your home surroundings and how veridical your observations tend to be?

Yes, I always find myself in my bedroom immediately after projecting, except in the occasional lucid dream. All my techniques I use to experience etheric projection have been described in my previous posts. I like to switch up techniques from practice session to practice session to keep my mind fresh to avoid dreamlike qualities in an OBE. If I do the exact same technique every time, I start to lose focus while practicing.

I have never found myself in an another environment that isn't the RTZ, except when I occasionally have a lucid dream. I become alert in a lucid dream by forcing myself to separate (rollout, liftup, etc.) while in the lucid dream, then I wake up in the RTZ. The RTZ is always recognizable as my bedroom or house. I have never went straight from exiting my physical body to outside my house. I have always had to travel from bed to bedroom doorway, to dining room, to living room, to outside, to down the street, and return in a reverse fashion.

Etheric projections are very different than other types of projections. I usually am floating along with a dense energy feeling. I sometimes feel like I am a drunk. I have to body press myself against a door or wall to travel through it. Sight is difficult to achieve in an etheric projection. At least half the time, I have to sense energy to determine where I am at.

Every etheric projection I have had has always lead to falling into a dream or lucid dream if I try to prolong the experience by traveling too far. Etheric projections for me don't last too long. The average is 1 to 5 minutes. I try to get back to my body as soon as possible to remember the experience better and to avoid falling into a lucid dream. The farthest I have traveled in an etheric projection is 12 miles.

Some etheric projections I gain energy from and feel refreshed for the rest of the day, and some I feel a lost of energy. I have never had an etheric projection without vibrations.

I usually separate when I feel a faint tug that usually occurs immediately when the vibrations come. Sometimes it comes slightly later. The tug is difficult to find. I have separated before at the end of the vibrations, but that is a rarer occurrence. I have never separated in the exact middle of the vibrations experience.

I have never met a spirit in the RTZ. I have seen other people and animals that I have assumed were living. I have never been able to speak to anyone while in an etheric projection.

I have had both type of experiences in the RTZ where I would have a body and sometimes I would be like a point of consciousness.

I cannot hear anything while in an etheric projection. That is one of my main clues to whether I am in or out of body.

SInce doing etheric projections, I have been able to feel energy during some movements and interactions while on the physical plane.

Distance is the key to etheric projections. The projections are almost always a very short distance. Every movement feels like energy is being used up. When the energy is entirely used up, you feel the tug of the cord and are sent back to the physical body in a reverse fashion. Abrupt returns end in a jolt to my physical body that I can feel. Smooth returns do not have this jolt.

Travel is made easier in an etheric projection if you pull the your destination towards you versus traveling towards it. Also, I have to keep moving to keep the etheric projection alive. Once I slow down, I feel like my etheric body is starting to lose it's energy fuel and I am back into my physical body in no time.

Etheric projection seems to take a lot of will power and desire to be successful at it. Being too passive seems to affect my successes.

I have been able to move small objects several times in an etheric projection and later verified it. Like I mentioned earlier, sometimes you are sensing where the object is and moving it with your etheric self versus seeing it.

I have a much higher success in achieving etheric projection during the first and second day of a full moon.

There are many things that seem to somewhat lower my successes of an etheric projection: peanuts and other nuts, heavy meats, sex, too hot showers or too much showering, not keeping up shaving your face, mind chatter, too sleepy, any and all medications, listening to too much television or music.

There is sometimes a momentary blackout upon separation and return. The times I don't get the blackout are the best and clearest etheric projections. Sometimes I feel myself re-enter back into my physical body and sometimes I don't. I always feel the exit from the physical body. I have never had a spontaneous etheric projection. It has always happened while consciously practicing a technique.
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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2012, 14:51:53 »

Awesome post todd, thanks so much for sharing in such detail!

What you describe is very similar to what Sylvan Muldoon described in his book, "The Projection of the Astral Body". SM only ever experienced etheric projections. Like you he experienced all sorts of tugs and difficulty moving whilst close to the body. I think he also described the drunkenness feeling. He was confined to the RTZ and could not generally communicate with others he encountered. He also described waking from dreams to find himself projected in the RTZ (I believe you described this as waking from a LD into the RTZ).

Your description is consistent with what I said in my earlier post about etheric projection. I suggested that the etheric double is composed of subtle physical material, taken from the physical body. This material can not be moved far from the physical body, hence your difficulty moving far from the body. SM described the same problem. Being a subtle physical material, the etheric body is able to move small objects as you describe. Your description is very similar to my understanding of etheric projection in many ways.

I think we are all intrigued by your ability to "move small objects"! This is incredibly rare with AP, or at least I haven't really heard of it. However I have certainly heard of people moving small objects, in the early stages of an RTZ projection, whilst close to the physical body. This is because they have access to "etheric matter" from their physical body whilst close to it (at least that is the theory).

Many people will be uncomfortable with this talk of "etheric matter" but I just present it as a theory.

todd, I know you have given a really detailed account, but are you willing to share some of your experiences of moving small objects? I would certainly be very interested!  I think many people would see this as a strong validation. Thanks!
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2012, 00:02:43 »

 Because perception is in the "eye of the beholder" I would say anything is possible. I have never experienced it before, but I'm sure a lot of what I experience people don't see as well. Especially the "disclosure clause" that i am always reminded of. I have already been shown that it must be respected, at least that is in my case.
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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2012, 00:28:48 »

I have certainly heard of people moving small objects, in the early stages of an RTZ projection, whilst close to the physical body. This is because they have access to "etheric matter" from their physical body whilst close to it (at least that is the theory).

Many people will be uncomfortable with this talk of "etheric matter" but I just present it as a theory.

todd, I know you have given a really detailed account, but are you willing to share some of your experiences of moving small objects? I would certainly be very interested!  I think many people would see this as a strong validation. Thanks!

I am totally in agreement with your theory of etheric matter.  

I hope this knowledge of etheric matter never gets lost to the ages. One day you may hear every one say OBE's are only in the mind, and they will say they don't exist on a separate plane. That has me worried greatly because they will say there is no life after death. If more people would try to master etheric projection, a greater number of people will come to the conclusion this stuff is real and there is life after death.

It would be nice to have on astral pulse a section that only discusses etheric matter and etheric projection. So like-minded individuals can present their experiences, validations, and techniques.

I have moved objects under different etheric states. I'll give one example of me actually moving an object from each etheric state.

1) One etheric state is by expanding your etheric body while it is still in the physical body. This would be an etheric ballooning expansion which makes contact with an object to move it. This has to be done relatively close to the physical body, since the etheric body is technically still attached to the physical body, but it has expanded to make contact with the object. The most amazing example of this etheric state is when I have knocked a curtain down off its rail by doing this. This scared me a lot, until I realized what I did. I inspected the curtain afterwards to make sure it was a valid experiment. The curtain came down at the exact same moment I willed my etheric energy towards it.

2) The second etheric state is by actually separating your etheric body from your physical body and moving your etheric body to the object. There is no etheric ballooning effect with this type since there is an actual separation of the etheric body from the physical body. The most amazing example of this etheric state is when I knocked the toilet bowl cleaner handle apparatus off my shower wall frame. I put it here to allow it to dry before I would store it away. This one I had to pull in etheric matter from the environment to make my separated etheric body denser to allow myself to be able to knock it down. After I knocked it down, I went straight back to my body to confirm this experience was successful.


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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2012, 06:51:13 »

So my initial question was whether or not others see one, should i be concerned for not seeing one, what is normal, etc.

After hearing multiple points of view I think it's clear:

It's different for everyone. The cord is NOT absolutely necessary, nor is it absolutely unnecessary. Some see it, some do not. Some claim it exists, others do not.

Thank you everyone for contributing to this thread!
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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2012, 19:03:29 »

Thanks Todd for the extra info and very interesting examples of PK. Your examples are entirely consistent with my understanding of etheric projection, which goes back many years to the early pioneers such as Sylvan Muldoon and early investigators such as Robert Crookall. Whilst these ideas are unfashionable, and I am not sure about them, they can't just be ignored.

Now we have the famous "focus model" which I am not keen on. Supporters of the focus model think that an "etheric body" is just a metaphorical mental construct, and is unnecessary and unreal. But why? This is like saying that the physical body is a metaphor, unreal and unnecessary. Well I defy anyone other than God Himself to manifest and operate in the physical world without a working physical body. If we need a physical body, complete with organs such as heart and brain, to function in the physical world, then maybe we need an "organ" such as an etheric body to make the physical body "work". So if we think of the etheric body as an extension of the physical body, then it's a legitimate, real entity.

These are just ideas, I don't know what's going on, nobody does. But it's very interesting.



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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2012, 19:14:42 »

Now we have the famous "focus model" which I am not keen on. Supporters of the focus model think that an "etheric body" is just a metaphorical mental construct, and is unnecessary and unreal. But why? This is like saying that the physical body is a metaphor, unreal and unnecessary.

Exactly. Thank you.

And yes, Todd's PK experiences are good. I think that even if the wind suddenly blew and knocked the curtains off it still counts as long as the timing is close enough.
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2012, 00:38:49 »

Now we have the famous "focus model" which I am not keen on. Supporters of the focus model think that an "etheric body" is just a metaphorical mental construct, and is unnecessary and unreal. But why? This is like saying that the physical body is a metaphor, unreal and unnecessary.
*EXACTLY* 

That's the entire point.  That it's *ALL* metaphor.. it's *ALL* unreal... I wouldn't say unnecessary though.  lol  Wink

You say all that... then you say, "But why?"

I can ask you the same thing about your position.

It's all just perception.  It's all in how you look at it.  That's all.  That's also why it's useless to argue it.  Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2012, 03:37:39 »

Friends,

Biblical myth or not. It does exist, the chord that is.

Some have seen the chord and some haven't. I have on occasion seen the chord and will describe it from my own experiences. Most of what I can tell you is that the higher your level of consciousness, in-tune to everything around you and able to maintain your focus in one moment for periods of time. It does show, the chord that is.

When I have tested seeing the chord, it reminded me of a metal cable steel wire as in the following
example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steel_wire_rope.png

The texture of the metal wrapped spiny feel was extremely tight when I touched in my hands. In addition, it was vibrant and dense, almost invisible but present. I have also seen the chord when I have projected witnessing from my parents bedroom while we all were sleeping, but I out-of-body. The chord definitely came out from their back head region of the body.

As for the chord being severed - honestly, we will know when the time happens one way or another. But for those in the physical will still keep on guessing.

Either way you look at it, severed or not - does anyone want to find out anytime soon...wink

Good Discussion Here..

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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2012, 16:51:36 »

*EXACTLY* 

That's the entire point.  That it's *ALL* metaphor.. it's *ALL* unreal... I wouldn't say unnecessary though.  lol  Wink

Well I think this is the monist argument that everything is consciousness, and we create our own consensus reality, including the laws of physics, stars, planets, seas, mountains, trees, physical bodies, hearts, brains etc etc. These things don't really "exist" per se, but they allow us to have experiences in the physical environment and to interact in it according to well defined rules (so the theory goes).  I think it's a great idea. But it does (as you said) mean that the physical body metaphor is "necessary" to have physical experiences. In the same way I would suggest that the etheric body metaphor is also "necessary" to make the physical body work.

If you agree that these things are unreal but necessary, then I'm OK with the whole metaphor thing!

I'm not going to get all argumentative about this, we've bashed this about so much in the past. But I wonder if you agree with the above?
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2012, 18:00:14 »

If you agree that these things are unreal but necessary, then I'm OK with the whole metaphor thing!
Touche.  Wink

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But I wonder if you agree with the above?
That the metaphor of a physical body is required to interact with a metaphor of the physical?  Sure.  Smiley
In the end, it's all just consciousness, as you pointed out... and you can use whatever metaphor you want to interact with whatever other metaphor you want.
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2012, 19:30:23 »

I don't think you should be concerned that you don't see it, maybe your attention is just focused elsewhere... When I am having a really vivid projection I will see the chord. It's like a bluish white silver.... I've seen my dogs and my ex boyfriends haha. I wasn't looking for them but I noticed them peripherally... Speaking of, I notice almost everything peripherally considering I don't really have 2 eyeballs when I'm out of body... How confusing! Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2012, 20:42:42 »

That the metaphor of a physical body is required to interact with a metaphor of the physical?  Sure.  Smiley

In that case peace! This allows us to have an "objective" model of the physical, astral and other universes, whilst simultaneously having a "subjective" model that "all is just consciousness". The objective and subjective models can co-exist. Personally I'm a big fan of the "all is just consciousness" idea, but I am only TOO aware of how stubbornly real the physical world feels, and how we really need to respect it's laws. It doesn't matter how many times we tell ourselves that we create our own reality, every morning I wake up with the same dodgy knees...



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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2012, 02:27:13 »

It doesn't matter how many times we tell ourselves that we create our own reality, every morning I wake up with the same dodgy knees...

I agree. This is why these focus models are not favored by me.

One way you can affect physical reality is by changing the etheric energy template of your physical body.

I'll give an example: One time three years ago while doing my fan obe technique, I had 6 separate vibration episodes back to back with very little time in between the episodes. I estimate the total time of the vibrations lasted for 45 minutes. These were very intense vibrations. My body was shaking on the bed the entire time. Every since then, I have lost my hunger completely. I never get hungry anymore. I have to remind myself to eat. Sometimes I will go a whole day without eating because I forgot to. The only explanation I have for this is that lengthy vibration episode permanently altered the frequency of my physical body. I did lose a lot of weight because of this. I was down to 115 lbs. I have since forced myself to eat and am currently at 132 lbs.

Maybe your dodgy knees could be healed by a lengthy vibration episode of etheric energy?

   
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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2012, 03:35:58 »

In that case peace! This allows us to have an "objective" model of the physical, astral and other universes, whilst simultaneously having a "subjective" model that "all is just consciousness". The objective and subjective models can co-exist. Personally I'm a big fan of the "all is just consciousness" idea, but I am only TOO aware of how stubbornly real the physical world feels, and how we really need to respect it's laws. It doesn't matter how many times we tell ourselves that we create our own reality, every morning I wake up with the same dodgy knees...
We create our very reality via "what" we put out into the reality.  This is why hear the theme of "Love" in many different places in regards to just about everything.  Smiley
There's a really great video that I've linked here before of Tom Campbell... I'll repost it here, because it has a HUGE fundamental truth in it in regards to exactly what you're talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qOM9LHZhLlA

As for your knee... I'll give you a tip:  Take up biking.  It'll fix your knees in no time.
I had bad knees due to the martial art I practiced (Aikido)... after biking 30 minutes a day, twice a day (I biked to work) my knees were in GREAT shape for me to return to Aikido after having to take a few years off. 

So, you *can* change your reality.  Some things require more physical changes than energetic... but it can be done.  Wink
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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2012, 17:11:17 »

Thanks todd for the advice regarding healing using the etheric body. I have cartilage damage due to too much weight training which I've obviously stopped now. I did try using LD/AP a few years ago. When I exited my body I would go to a place I called the "knee clinic". It was just anywhere I happened to find myself, but I would call it the "knee clinic". Here I would sit down, cup my knee in my hands and try to give it healing. It didn't really work very well, but then I did get bored with it since it was interfering with an otherwise fun projection experience.

However I am interested in the use of the vibrational state to affect physical well being. Personally, I can induce vibrations, although I have never been able to project whilst experiencing the vibrations. Attempting to do so would just seem counter productive - the vibrational state for me is just too exciting - my heart speeds up and I think I physically tense up if I try to float out. I literally have to wait for any vibrations to go away, relax and then roll out. But maybe I could try directing the vibrations to my knees and hold it there?

It's interesting to note that some NDErs experience spontaneous healing after an NDE, and even comment that in the NDE state they are shown that their physical ailment is a direct result of some sort of choice, attidue or decision of their own creation.  Anita Moorjani is an example. Completely cured of all traces of end stage terminal cancer four days after her NDE. During her NDE she was told she would heal quickly, and she did. I would really like to know how to call on this type of healing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLouLHH-_I

Ryan, thanks for the advice. I think you benefitted from the quadriceps strengthening that cycling gave you. I know I have to build up my quads, but I have to get through quite a pain barrier before any exercise begins to yield benefits. I would also advise caution with your martial arts. You may be stacking up problems for when you get a bit older!  I do know a couple of martial artists who kind of gave up in their 30s because of knee issues!

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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2012, 00:30:52 »

But maybe I could try directing the vibrations to my knees and hold it there?

That would be a good thing to try.
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2012, 00:53:36 »

Sometimes I see it, alot when I smoked the sacred herbs.

I would see peoples intent, their conscious will half a step on front of their physical body with a silver cord. Not always silver, zooming in would show different textures,  strands and sometimes colors.

When severing a cord they didn't drop dead, just kinda stumbled a bit, but I don't do that anymore, felt sick to my stomach and had to return to the physical and force myself to retch, not for all people but seems like people "aware" gave me an allergic reaction.


Its been a year since, now when I see it I just observe.
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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2012, 00:56:40 »

When severing a cord they didn't drop dead, just kinda stumbled a bit, but I don't do that anymore

Are you saying you severed people's silver cord?
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« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2012, 17:32:37 »

Are you saying you severed people's silver cord?
I will say this, when I first started seeing silver cords I was a bit thrown back, I've heard of it but haven't experienced it.  At the time I was consumed in increasing my energy, any means.  I severed cords and realized they are more like straws, the closer to the source you sever them the more "juice" you can get.

I don't recommended it though. Unless the person is sinfully natured it WILL backfire.  If they do not nurture their essense there will be a relative small ammount of damage, if they do it can be catastrophic to both people. 
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« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2012, 17:50:44 »

What's obvious to me is that every report I've ever heard about these "cords" is that they're unbreakable by any means.

IF they're real (which I seriously don't believe they're anything fundamental), then what you're experiencing isn't them.
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« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2012, 21:18:08 »

Hi,
I suppose thinking you can see someones cord will generate that cord. Thinking you can break that cord and juice comes from it, that can be too. Thinking it will harm you might not be the best thing to do. In the astral way of things your thoughts happen. So being somewhat destructive with you own construct with attached bad parameters is not an action Id do. Interfering with a construct not of your making which could affect another in a negative way is asking for trouble. It may not be apparent at that time but do something nasty and try to attain a presence in the higher realms, you will fail.
The low levels are filled with nasties and you really dont want to be there especially in an uncontrolled dream state.
Im not going to say told you so but be careful in your actions. This advice I was given in 1969 and it seems a good way of looking at this mostly unknown existences set of parameters.
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