Help for a beginer, how do you dreamwalk?

[trishabella]

Hi okay i know this is going to sound ridiculous to everyone but please listen and help me if you can.

I know very little about astral projection and dream walking and things of this nature. What i do know, is that i'm 18, i have a boyfriend that I've been with for 5 years and am very deeply in love with and have a very strong connection with. We have a very hard time seeing each other due to severe personal issues, and when we're not close it feels like I'm physically missing a strong part of my soul. Thus, i've turned to this, as my last resort. Teach me the ways of the force please? I have many questions.

How do I enter my boyfriends dreams? Is this even possible? Can we communicate this way? Can doing i harm him in anyway by doing this? Will we remember any of it after we've woken up? Does he have to be conscience of me doing this before i can do it?  How does it work, like what are the semantics involved? Please, just because i'm a lovesick teen don't believe by any means that i am an unintelligent one; I am a very open minded gold-maker personality type and i am very capable.

[personalreality]

two things.

i think that it is potentially possible to connect to him in this way.  this is assuming that there is a collective that connects all consciousness.

however, the issue becomes the extreme subjective nature of these experiences.  when you leave your body or enter a dream you have to "think" of him to get to him.  if you try to travel instantly, you have to think of him.  if you fly to him or some other means of 'physical' travel, you'll have to initiate the travel by telling yourself what you're doing, ie, going to see your boyfriend.  no matter how you slice it, you have to somehow bring up a thought, image, feelings, etc. in order to reach him.  everything you know and feel about him isn't really him.  it's the mental image or metaphor associated with specific emotional memories that you have of him, not him.  so as soon as you try to get to him you will most likely create an astral version of the collective memories and feelings you have for him, not him.  i don't know what kind of control it would take to actually get to him.  i don't even know if it's possible to get to him at all as a human.  as long as you have your physical body i would imagine that you have the awareness associated with it and that means human perception.  perhaps you have to be beyond modern human form to achieve something like that.

all of that isn't to say that your astral creation can't be equally satisfying though.  honestly, you probably would have never even considered that it wasn't really him, because your creation would match the mental model you have for him. 

[trishabella]

So basically there is no way to do this then? To actually meet with HIS person HIS soul HIS being, not just some generic imitation version that my mind attempts to create? Even just slightly, for example just to feel his presence?

[personalreality]

what's the real difference anyway.

if you believe your creation is him, then your mind will make you feel like it's reall yhim.

[Xanth]

So basically there is no way to do this then? To actually meet with HIS person HIS soul HIS being, not just some generic imitation version that my mind attempts to create? Even just slightly, for example just to feel his presence?

As far as I'm concerned, you can't directly enter someone else's personal dream space.
You can "talk" to them through telepathy though... in which case, the other person will manifest your voice in whatever way they deem fit, one case could be a materialization of your form there.

Beyond that, you'd have to go beyond the personal consciousness areas and into the collective consciousness areas to "meet up". 
Focus 1 oC or Focus 3 oC, which you can read up about here: http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Welcome to the Astral Pulse, and enjoy.   

[Naykid]

I am pulled into people's personal dream space all the time.   I don't understand why you think it's impossible..?

[Xanth]

I am pulled into people's personal dream space all the time.   I don't understand why you think it's impossible..?

Because I think it's the same kind of delio as trying to 'enter' someone else's body.
You don't have the proper "key" to get in.  Personal consciousness is just that... personal.

Be it far from me to tell you that what you're experiencing isn't real though.  So I'll just stick to that assessment and bow out. 

[Naykid]

Because I think it's the same kind of delio as trying to 'enter' someone else's body.
You don't have the proper "key" to get in.  Personal consciousness is just that... personal.

Be it far from me to tell you that what you're experiencing isn't real though.  So I'll just stick to that assessment and bow out. 

Believe me when I say, I do not need you to validate my experiences, but I was hoping for a bit more explanation on to why you believe what you believe.  By your comment I will go on the assessment that you have no clue on what the dealio is. 

[Xanth]

Believe me when I say, I do not need you to validate my experiences,

Hence my reluctance to continue. 

but I was hoping for a bit more explanation on to why you believe what you believe.  By your comment I will go on the assessment that you have no clue on what the dealio is. 

I love how you try to bait people. 

You go ahead and keep that assessment all you want. 
In any case, you'll need to re-read the first two lines of my previous post. 
Your answer is right there. 

[Naykid]

Baiting? I'm asking you to clarify your comments.    You contradict yourself every other day.   I'm just trying to get a solid statement from you that doesn't consist of, I believe it to be because I read it in a book or Frank said it's so.

I did read your two lines.  Keys?     What do you think a soul retrieval is?  Do you think that might come under the realm of being pulled into someones reality?  In order to retrieve you have to be in their.. dream, their reality. 

Have you ever had a experience that didn't revolve around yourself?  I have had many experiences that were not about me.. I was there for someone else.  I might be lucky to learn something from it, but it wasn't all about me.  There also comes a feeling, a sense that I'm in someone's reality and not my own. 

I just wish you would stop speaking in absolutes.  And that winking.  I can't help but feel it's a smart arse wink instead of a kind wink.  But I guess that's my issue not yours. 

[personalreality]

i don't understand the difference between 'telepathy' and being in someone else's dreamspace. 

telepathy is mental (usually nvc) communication with another person right?  in order to make a telepathic connection, you would need access to another person's personal dream space or whatever we're calling it. 

i would like to know how you validate this experience for yourself Nay.  (i'm really being serious too, not trying to be contradictory or anything, i legitimately want to know)

i mean, if what you have is subjective experience how can you prove it to yourself (assuming you rely on objective measurement for your validation)? 

this is why i don't believe in objectivity.  what can you ever have besides your subjective perception of the experience.  even if you have systematic, empirical test results, you can't possibly separate that from your perceptual filters.   

[catmeow]

i don't understand the difference between 'telepathy' and being in someone else's dreamspace.

I'm not clear on that either. I have posted a shared dream in the validation thread (there is one on this board) which I shared with my mother. I don't know if it occurred in a concensus area open to every one (Xanth) or whether it was shared just by myself and my mother. In truth there is no way of telling. 

But I do think that the rather arbitrary and simplistic Foc levels paradigm doesn't work and doesn't explain all of the observed facts. I'm not a big fan of it.

I used to be on this board when Frank was contributing and I found him to be, probably, the most arrogant member of the board in history. As a mod he was also rather rude.  Most people, stunned by his forthrightness, simply rolled over and daren't argue with him.  Well we have many teachers to choose from, Monroe, Bruce, Buhlman, Fox, Muldoon etc.... They all say different things.... Be careful who you worship!

[Xanth]

Baiting? I'm asking you to clarify your comments.    You contradict yourself every other day.   I'm just trying to get a solid statement from you that doesn't consist of, I believe it to be because I read it in a book or Frank said it's so.

Yes, baiting.  You're hoping to anger me by your "you have no clue" statement.  Sorry, not going to work. 
The only time I contradict myself is when I learn something new and take it in as part of my belief system... then it's not longer a contradiction.

Anyways, getting back to the point, I gave you a "solid statement" already.
Who cares how I came about my beliefs... I don't ask you how you came to yours.

I did read your two lines.  Keys?     What do you think a soul retrieval is?  Do you think that might come under the realm of being pulled into someones reality?  In order to retrieve you have to be in their.. dream, their reality.

You're not entering their dream... they can't dream, they're dead.
You're entering their Focus 3 oC belief system reality... a collective consciousness area. 

Have you ever had a experience that didn't revolve around yourself?  I have had many experiences that were not about me.. I was there for someone else.  I might be lucky to learn something from it, but it wasn't all about me.  There also comes a feeling, a sense that I'm in someone's reality and not my own. 

I honestly do not remember.
Although, I do know that what we "sense" and "feel" can be quite misleading.

I just wish you would stop speaking in absolutes.

I can only speak in "absolutes" when I'm talking about MY beliefs.  How else am I to do it?
As I said, I'm not questioning YOUR beliefs, I'm simply trying to fit your experiences into my mold.  I'm not sure why you get all bend out of shape over it. :/

Perhaps I should put that 'disclaimer' back in my signature? 
"Everything I say on this forum or ANYWHERE, for that matter, is my own opinion and/or belief."

[catmeow]

Constantly expressing opinions as facts, is irritating. I think it rubs people up the wrong way. It certainly gets on my nerves! We had a spammer called Sharpe who was really irritating and got himself banned in the end (then he quickly popped back on the grid as Sharpe2, Sharpe3 etc!). The alternative is to constantly preface with "imo" or "personally" or "I believe". This can be equally annoying. But it has to be done at least occasionally, so that the reader has some slight inkling that the poster isn't a complete wingnut!

[Xanth]

I'm not clear on that either. I have posted a shared dream in the validation thread (there is one on this board) which I shared with my mother. I don't know if it occurred in a concensus area open to every one (Xanth) or whether it was shared just by myself and my mother. In truth there is no way of telling.

That's just it, I believe it did occur in a collective consciousness area based upon my "belief" in how the wider reality is structured and the properties of each "area".

But I do think that the rather arbitrary and simplistic Foc levels paradigm doesn't work and doesn't explain all of the observed facts. I'm not a big fan of it.

I am a big fan of it... as you can see.  LoL    Robert Monroes AND Franks models.
I am a fan of it because I've been able to explain all my experiences and experiences of others using it.

I used to be on this board when Frank was contributing and I found him to be, probably, the most arrogant member of the board in history. As a mod he was also rather rude.

 
You're making the mistake that most people make when confronting someone with a very strong belief that what they believe is right.
It's not arrogance, it's confidence.  Why does that anger you?
I read every post that Frank ever made, other than his remarks on topics well outside "Astral Projection", he was never rude... that doesn't make him a bad person.  It makes him human, I don't understand how you're trying to attack that as a character flaw?

Most people, stunned by his forthrightness, simply rolled over and daren't argue with him.

You'd rather he sugar coated things for people?  I loved the fact that he was straightforward and always "to-the-point".
Frank was... well, quite FRANK with every post he made.

Well we have many teachers to choose from, Monroe, Bruce, Buhlman, Fox, Muldoon etc.... They all say different things.... Be careful who you worship!

What's with you people and this 'worship' stuff?

If you want to use the word "worship" that's cool, let's just make sure it's a complete list then: I also Worship Robert Monroe, William Buhlman, John Magnus, Edain McCoy, even Robert Bruce is on that list, although you might not believe me.  Hey!  You can even add Stookie, Personalreality and several other Astral Pulse members to it too!

I think you get my drift though.