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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2002, 22:29:47 »

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I've always been of the opinion that when there seems to be nothing to loose then every option is available to us and that in that situation whatever we do in this life it's always worthwhile.


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Yes I would think so,even if you have gone through that same  experience before in another life and learned from it.You probably would  have a very diff. perspective and thus get things out of it,that you would not have seen before.




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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2002, 11:18:52 »

Blossom, the emotional surge that Frank mentioned as a "little bit of joy" is known in various magical traditions as "Agape". Read Paulo Coelho's book "the pilgrim" for a little more detail.

 
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« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2004, 00:57:06 »

I wish I had been here to get to know Frank... I just dug this out and thought it an interesting thread.  

Many different things going on there, the "Little bit of joy" compared to the "Lot of joy" Frank talks about which can be very distracting when you need to get things done... and of course the topic of Suicide itself.  

Jouni, I think you and James are the only people still here who were originally part of this thread and I would like to see if it can be picked back up.

My understanding of suicide is that if a life is cut short, the next lifetime will be a large degree harder because of the unfinished business that the soul was supposed to do in the previous lifetime.  If this is so... (who knows, really) why would anyone end it.  Sure, we have options but if it is bad enough to end it, why would anyone want it to get worse?

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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2004, 02:16:35 »

Ahhhhhh a oldy but goody..[Cheesy]

I wasn't around for the original posting, but I'm here now.  So my take on the original point of this thread..*sigh*

Suicide....Over the years of reading and from my own experiences, it has changed.  At first I thought if one killed off his physical, then you would just keep looping back and forth..with no guides to help you, thus making it harder to learn the lesson that you started out to learn in the first place.  

Then sucide found its way into my life experience, changing my view on things, so I thought if you do commit suicide you don't get punished in the sense that you're going to keep reincarnating into the same situation with no help, but you work through things on the "otherside".  It takes longer I think, cause sheesh, lets face it..things on the otherside are much more relaxed and not so much conflict to learn from.

Now I think, after reading the thread that Lighthouse brought to light..hehe..play on words there.[Tongue] pretty much the same thing, about learning our lessons on the otherside and then some in our next incarnation.  

But then I got to thinking..yeah, I know scary..[^] What about Robert finding other parts of himself that were lost..were any of those parts lost due to commiting suicide??  I mean they were still there, they just hadn't merged with 'the one' yet.  I'm having a brain freeze..lol.

Don't cha just hate it when you mind has about a million things running through it and you can't grasp one good thing to go from there?..[Cheesy][Tongue] Story of my life..[Sad]

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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2004, 11:57:44 »

Why are so many people talking about lessons and other unpleasant things? I see nothing wrong with taking a long break from them and having some fun.
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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2004, 14:21:51 »

But no-one has claimed there's something wrong in taking a break and having fun. If fact I think it's essential, both in the physical sense and in the spiritual sense.


I just reread the thread and will post something once I get my thoughts straightened out. I've changed my position a bit from what I posted at the start of the thread.

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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2004, 17:29:23 »

Well put Runlola [Cheesy]

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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2004, 18:51:34 »

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Originally posted by runlola

I have had suicidal tendencies. I believe that whatever thought or emotion you have sets up a vibration that effect many other people. When you are in a place of despair & hopelessness you start to connect with others on that level, where you go from there can effect those people as well, wherever they may be, because we are all one. If you keep going into the downward spiral, you are bound to take others with you. But if you pull yourself out of and try to find a solution, because you are ultimately responsible for your reality, you may also pull others out of the despair as well. You may not know whom you are helping but you owe it to yourself & all of mankind to try a little harder.

Hi Runlola,

Can I applaud you on been so brave to share your feelings on this sensitive subject, and close on such a sweet and positive note! I have been hovering over this thread pondering if it was worth putting in a pennies worth or a thousand words as it is a subject close to home for many reasons (long, long set of stories)[B)][B)][B)]

Yet you have been able to succinctly sum up my feelings exactly – well done [^]

Cheers,

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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2004, 12:53:35 »

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yes thats true but why kill yourself?If your ever being exposed to a hostile environment constantly.And it is turning you into an atom bomb.You can always pack your chit up and run for the hills.I did and alot of good has come out of it.


It's been my experience that most talks about suicide usually have a quote like this somewhere in them. "Buck up junior, it's not as bad as you think it is; it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem, yadda yadda - take control of your life."  The problem with this train of thought is that it's entirely detrimental to the person who's suicidal.  It's almost condescending in nature.  I was severely depressed for maybe eight months or so, and it just lifted maybe two months ago.  During that period, I was extremely suidical at times.  There's no measure of emotional control that you can induce in yourself.  It's cold, it's dark, and there is no hope.  Do you know what it's like to not remember the feeling of happiness?  It's not that you haven't been happy in so long that you forget the taste and smell of it - you genuinely can't remember a single time in your life that you were happy.  Can you even imagine something like that?  It's as if the entire positive spectrum of human emotion has been wiped from your soul.  No hope, no joy, no happiness; all that's left is pain, torture, and defeat.  Now picture people telling you a handful of trite comments about how it's not as bad as you think, you can do something to make your life better, whatever.  Your brain is already working at full capacity to convice you of your worst fear, so someone telling you to "buck up" just makes you feel worse.  Half a year or more of this type of mental assault, and you'll be sitting in your bed, staring at a bottle of sleeping pills and wondering if the plastic bag will cut off oxygen to your brain in time for it to be a painless death.  

You know how in horror movies they never show the monster until the end of the movie?  That's because your mind can conjure up something infinitely more frightening than they could put on the screen.  Now imagine your brain working overdrive conjuring up ideas that you can't disbelieve - namely that there is no hope or reason to live.  If that's the type of lesson I've been sent down here to learn about, I want my astral money back, because I'm pretty sure I didn't sign up for this class.

Now after I've said all that, the experience was incredibly helpful and enlightening; and I sure as hell don't believe that we should try to banish these emotions from our consciousness.  In fact, the very act of trying to banish negative thoughts could be causing these suicidal outbursts in the first place. During my tenure in hell, I made my peace with the world and accepted all parts of myself, and in doing so, I tapped into something exciting and primal.  Realizing the ephemerality of existence, some days it feels like my consciousness has tapped into the lifeblood of the universe.  Without my experience, and the negative emotions that caused it, I'd still be walking around with blinders on.  What I took from the experience changed my life, but I'd like my future lessons to not involve me being a hair's width away from offing myself, as it could've just as easily gone the other way.
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« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2004, 17:08:52 »

Randomacity,

Thank you for sharing.  Although I have not felt suicidal (I feel like the struggles and hurdles would bee far more intense in my next incarnation if I viewed this as an option) I have felt somewhat depressed... seemingly in the same timeline as you.

For the past 18 months or so, I have experienced a very low point in my life... questioning who I am, why I have such strong feelings for a certain friend who I was in a romantic relationship with proior to meeting my husband and who has reappeared in my life after 7 years and after I've gotten married to another...  For a long time, whenever I would think about this person, email him, talk to him on the phone, I would send myself into such a deep sorrow, almost mourning.  I was experiencing such self condemnation for having these powerfully strong feelings yet believing I was trapped because of the commitment that I made to my husband shortly after leaving him.  (I left him because I wanted kids and he had a vasectomy... that's all.. no arguments, no discontent) I believe this past year in particular has been the lowest point in my life... and the clouds have just started lifting within the past 3 months or so, mainly because I have stopped talking to him.  I did this because it was causing me too much internal sorrow to keep up the communication... it was too difficult to function properly and I felt trapped.    

That said, I believe you are right when you say:
The problem with this train of thought is that it's entirely detrimental to the person who's suicidal. It's almost condescending in nature.


My husband and freinds would try to tell me to not think about it, yet it is telling the person that their feelings are invalid.  Sure, we are all responsible for our own feelings, but we are still entitled to feel any way we want.  Perhaps if I had some understanding from those who were clost to me who were telling me to snap out of it, I would have come out of it much sooner.  I don't, however feel that I'm completely in the clear because I'm sure if my friend were to call, it would start the cycle all over again.

I think that depression is is our unwillingness to address the inner yearnings of our hearts.  We hold the values of society at a higher standard than our own longings and yearnings, therefore feeling that just because everyone else thinks something should be a certain way, we must conform to that societal outlook... thereby causing ourselves a tremendous amount of guilt for not feeling what we think we should feel... At the same time denying our own inner selves by remaining in a state of stagnation...

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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2004, 17:58:38 »

Hello, friends...

Wow! Such a seemingly narrow topic has become manifold as the old guns go at it...

Let me take the time out of this serious, multifaceted omni-covering thread which seems to now encompass the entire lot of human struggles to add my two bits... As I see this whole hub-bub, I shall for you now elaborate.

The world which we inhabit, as most here would agree with me upon, is the product of a grand consciousness which made its deep love manifest into the emptiness that was the void, the cradle of being. The universe, at large, is composed of nothing more than energy, and this energy, as some would agree, is almost exclusively positive in nature, allowing one to surmise that this universe is for the most part a grand melting pot of love and ecstacy, a pool of collective joy from which beautiful things are eternally emerging; but this world is always expanding, the light of joyous connectedness is always asuaging the ills of darkness, uplifting the downtrodden. Though the universe is an orb of joy, it is also the home of dark realms, places where, although the light of the creator is ever-present, the pain and suffering inherent to the realms themselves prevent those dwelling within to grasp their connection to all that is.    

Our own world lies somewhere in this scheme of light and dark, which are, in truth, two faces of the same coin.

There are places here of insurmountible perfection of being, such as the Falling Lakes of Croatia, or the mountains of southern China, where it is difficult not to feel at one with the creator, but, to deny that there are places of quite a different nature as well, would be a naive error.

Our world is like a grand Las vegas. There is the beauty of the mountains which illuminates the darkness, and then there is what lies beyond, and all around. Our cities and our towns are wells of consumerism and desire, which shape the world around them in ways unthinkable. Our surroundings are moulded by the ways in which we think, and how we treat the living landscape. We have beautiful avenues of sparkling skyscrapers, but the nature of our cities is better reveiled through what lies beneath and within. Places like New York, Moscow, and Hong Kong are labyrinths of serpentine power grids, which serve as conduits to feed the greed of all who live there, and are primordeal nests of hostile and destructive technology employed not for progress, but for avarice, and that is only the beginning. There are vast sewer systems which transport the filth of the masses, chemical emmissions which pollute the air ( In L.A., to breathe the downtown air is equivalent to smoking a pack a day ), lairs of debauchery where narcotics, prostitution, extortion, laundering, and the murder of innocents to protect one's own vile designs is the rule and not the excpetion ( no, this is not Hollywood, such places are all too real )-all of this defilement is the result of our mindset. It was said previously in this thread that one's thoughts shaped the world around them, and this could not be more true. Our world is at times a hell of our own creation, and we have no one else to thank for its wretchedness other than our very own selves. No action goes unnoticed in this universe, and the world around us, as I have tried to stress, is a reflection of that which inhabits it. Like attracts like. The darkness we see is our own pain made manifest for us.

This world is a dark nest of fiends at times, this much is true, but it is the brightest light which shines at night. It is our place to walk in darkness, and to give hope to all who suffer alongside us. To live through great pain, and to witness vile enormity without losing faith in the light is the mark of virtue uncommon. I believe it is the story of an old Testament angle, probably Uriel, who walks the shadows of hell, giving solace to the suffering, always praising the light that is God, though all around is nothing but pain. It is an aquired skill to do this, you see, and not all can know the glow of hope which shines where none can see, for it is always out of sight. Not all can realize the light, though it ever be encompassed in shadow, waiting to be discovered.

There are countless millions who inhabit such worlds of shadow, plains where no ray glances, but the weak are tormented needlessly day by day, those who know not God, but all too well have come to know pain. There are innocents who live day by day, hoping and pining for some gleam of light to comfort them, to tell them that the blackness they inhabit is but a prison of paper bars, but this light never comes. They are only met with bleak despair, and they happen upon spectres among men, those who would only do them wrong. The house of cards which they have up to this point huddled in collapses, and their whole world falls apart. The pain which they are immersed in inundates them, and they see no more reason for living in a world of fleeting hopes, where grace is to be found, only to be a mere phantasm of false illusions. You can easily see why one might choose to take their own life, how an innocent soul can be rankled and broken to the point of final catharsis.

It is of little worth to tell these people that "it will get better", as they feel they have no pretext for thinking such thoughts, and such words have little empathetic value. The only thing which we can do for those who are the subjects of the world's broadsides is to be there for them, for the love which we show the suffering is akin to the love of God, and that is the greatest thing which we could ever give them. Compassion is an emotion infinitely more peerlessly beautiful than bliss. To learn to love others, and the poor world in which we live, is the thing at the heart of all of these strivings, the thing which brings us closest to God.

The suicidal are merely those whom the world has abused to the point of breaking, and ever so much more than forgive them their subtle error, we should stand by them, and lend them our own strengths.

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« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2004, 21:43:45 »

So far this thread has focused on suicide as an escape from a depressed and seemingly hopeless state.
What about a suicide from a conscious and voluntary stae of being?
Suppose one were to have the knowledge on par with enlightenement that all has been accomplished in one's life and that there was the free option of either continuing one's life or endig it and moving on?

No depression, not avoiding any problems, no espcaping things. Just shedding the physical and going home.

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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2004, 21:55:11 »

Jouni,

Isn't putting it in your own hands telling yourself you have no faith in your own LIFE contract?  If you are (you being anyone) an enlightened being and feel it is just up to you to end it, isn't that saying you feel your work is done and there is no more room for growth?

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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2004, 21:57:54 »

No more work in these particular circumstances.
Remember that this is not all there is and that we have chosen these particula circumstances to achieve some experiences and to learn something about individualty.

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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2004, 22:01:17 »

I suppose it could be another choice to experience yourself differently.

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