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« on: August 30, 2011, 23:05:24 »

30/08/2011:

I went to bed at 1.40 am and had a series of vague dreams.  I became lucid in the last one before waking up at 6.45 am.  In this dream, I recall socialising with friends in a school environment.  Lucidity manifested when I decided to use the toilet.  I am not sure what caused this dream-induced phase entry, but, I suspect that the strangeness of the cubicle where I became self-aware had something to do with it. 

I exited the cubicle and encountered a corridor.  The surroundings reminded me of my former residence in Portugal.  This made me wonder if the phase setup was partly created from memory.  The phase displayed a dismal ambience and the air felt denser than water, or at least there was friction in its spatiality.  Gravity kept me grounded and made me as slow as a walking aquanaut. 

As the front door of the house was open, I walked out for the sake of exploration and came upon a flight of stairs illuminated by daylight coming from a huge stained glass window.  I rubbed my hands against each other, in order to brighten up my surroundings, in vain.  The environment would not change and I was apparently invisible as I could not see my hands despite having a vivid tactile sensation of rubbing them against each other. 

Someone came up from behind and walked ahead of me.  When I looked up to see who it was, I made out a character quite similar to Tahir, a former schoolmate of mine.  Although the phase version of Tahir seemed to have a life of his own, I was not acknowledged by him in any way.  He simply went downstairs, faster than I possibly could, and trying to catch up to him only frustrated me and made me wonder why my motion was so restricted.  I looked on as the phase inhabitant walked out of the building and out of sight.  I gradually returned to wakefulness and got up to use the toilet. 

A few minutes later, I went back to bed in order to re-enter the phase.  In my relaxation, it didn’t take long for a pulsatile hiss to ensue in my head.  In order to separate from the body, I swiftly sat up and grasped the wall bend to pull myself out.  I felt heavy as I bent over backwards to escape the perceived magnetism of the bed location where I had been lying.  At one point, during my struggle, I wondered if I was really awake and trying to balance myself in a groggy state. 

I finally managed to stand away from the bed and had more time to focus on the slightly misty vision of what appeared to be my bedroom.  I had tactile perception of my hands but no visual confirmation just as before.  For a fraction of a second, however, there had been a transparent flicker of something.  A foul (an accidental or undesired exit from the phase), to adopt Michael Raduga’s terminology in “School of Out-of-Body Travel”, occurred and I felt uncomfortable lying in bed.  After tossing and turning a few times, I finally settled on a position facing my sleeping wife. 

I felt primed to return to the phase, and, in less than a minute, my head hissed rhythmically and my body tingled.  Separation is a struggle again but I managed to reach the wall bend and extracted my legs out.  I could only see through my left eye as the right one felt droopy and my fingers felt massive sagging eyelids.  I could hear the song “Pet” by the band A Perfect Circle as I strived to move forward and towards the hallway.  Come to think of it, I had been listening to that song repeatedly while I exercised yesterday. 

I could feel the walls but did not see my hands touching them.  I shifted sluggishly in phase space as a force seemed to counteract my every move.  As I stood by the bedroom door and peered at the hallway, I noticed that the walls were lapis blue when in reality they are light green.  The house interior looked a little molten and wrecked.  It was as if the place had been vandalised.  The banister was missing and there seemed to be debris everywhere.  Not far from where I was, a giant lump of white mass blocked the way and impeded my view of where a mirror should be.  The hallway seemed stretched or extended beyond the white heap and more debris could be seen.  Beams of light oozed from gaps in the ceiling and almost gave the impression that the abode had been left in ruins by a storm. 

I pressed forward towards the white heap in front of me and was confronted by two choices.  I could either jump over melted debris on my left to land on the stairs and continue exploring, or, I could try to reach a black door to my right (where the bathroom would have been in reality).  I noticed that the floor was weird because it wasn’t flat and felt bumpy.  I saw two downward steps in front of the black door which was slightly lower than the floor level anyway. 

An abrupt foul occurred but vision of that environment was retained.  I could feel myself lying in bed, and yet, the molten hallway scenario was visible.  The music faded as I came to an astonishing realisation.  The droopy right eye in the phase was my physical eye pressed against the pillow.  Slowly things started to make sense as the waking state took over.  The strange mass blocking the way in the phase, turned out to be Stacey’s arm partially illuminated by daylight oozing from the blinds.  The contours of the covers and its many folds also reinforced the optical illusion of another reality which was increasingly becoming less apparent.  The mysterious black door to my right, in the phase state, was nothing but a dark gap between two pillows on which my wife’s head rested. 

Had I been sleeping with my eyes partially open and receiving visual input from the waking world?  Did this visual input stimulate my imagination (which was active in the phase state)?  Was this type of phase unusually closer to the waking state?  Is this the phenomenon that confuses people and makes them believe that such things as remote viewing and Locale I projections (separation into the physical realm) are possible? 

Pressure in my head was felt just like the other times when I had brief experiences which almost convinced me that I had separated from the body and perambulated as a floating point of consciousness in reality and not in the phase space.  As this experience strongly suggests, the mind can play tricks on you and make you believe in all sorts of fantasies.  The mystical halo of OOBEs slowly fades the more we explore this phenomenon and the dawn of a new scientific era emerges.
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 20:33:04 »

Summer, you're threads always scare me because of how long they are lol!  cheesy

I will read up on it though  wink
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 20:34:26 »

Thanks, SirMike!  grin
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 21:06:14 »

Summer, you're threads always scare me because of how long they are lol!  cheesy

I will read up on it though  wink
hehe just be glad he's adding paragraphs now.
Wall of text hurt my eyes.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 21:09:19 »

I can't help it.  Even my rough notes in my journal turn into essays.  When I type it neatly I start getting into it and sometimes more memories of details arise in the process.  cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 21:53:38 »

I have the same problem.  I write stream-of-consciousness and then have to go back and separate.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 23:31:41 »

Yes, it can be a process of fetching as much info as we can from what we can remember and attempt to translate such experiences at times.  When the phase is long, sometimes I feel overwhelmed and excited to jot down as many details as I can.  With vivid dreams the same and often I feel like I'm chasing a backward thread where I remember the REM dreams and these can lead me to the vaguer dreams that precede them.

Btw, who thinks this experience was a trick of the mind and who thinks visual input from objective reality affected my perception of a replicated abode in a very real metaphysical plane of existence?

Throw in as many perspectives as you can on this if you have any.  It may helps us to understand more this type of OOBE.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2011, 17:39:15 »

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I exited the cubicle and encountered a corridor.  The surroundings reminded me of my former residence in Portugal.  This made me wonder if the phase setup was partly created from memory.  The phase displayed a dismal ambience and the air felt denser than water, or at least there was friction in its spatiality.  Gravity kept me grounded and made me as slow as a walking aquanaut.

I would say that you had dual awareness caused by your need to pee, and this made movement in your dream body difficult.  This sometimes happens to me when I'm waking up or am physically exhausted.

I think Tahir is a dream character that symbolizes something for you.  Not sure what, you'll have to figure this out for yourself.

An RTZ OBE followed- however since you had already been sleeping the astral tendency was already there, and your physical discomfort was still in force.
Another RTZ OBE that quickly turned 'astral', or you could say that 'dreaming tendency' was still in force.  The simple explanation would be that you were 'too close' to your body, but I think the repeated exits and body discomfort did not allow you to fully disengage from the physical awareness.
It seems to me that the discomfort of your wife's arm being on your eye did cause most of your dual awareness.  However:
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ad I been sleeping with my eyes partially open and receiving visual input from the waking world?  Did this visual input stimulate my imagination (which was active in the phase state)?
In this case, I think so.
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  Is this the phenomenon that confuses people and makes them believe that such things as remote viewing and Locale I projections (separation into the physical realm) are possible?
No, because having an eye open can show you what's going on in your room, but often the point of view is different than what you would see through your eye, (I know, because I've tested this a few times) and views of places like the outside of my house, for example, cannot be explained that way- especially when they are validated.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2011, 18:01:07 »

Interesting perspective and thanks, CFTraveler:

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I would say that you had dual awareness caused by your need to pee, and this made movement in your dream body difficult.  This sometimes happens to me when I'm waking up or am physically exhausted.

This is quite possible and viable.  I also had discomfort and I've got piles, so, that could come into play.

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I think Tahir is a dream character that symbolizes something for you.  Not sure what, you'll have to figure this out for yourself.

I think I figured out what Tahir represented.  I remember once that he got ill and was taken to hospital for an operation.  He kept coughing a lot and had breathing problems.  I think he also had asthma.  I had a cold recently and I was sorta coughing a lot before I fell asleep that night.

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It seems to me that the discomfort of your wife's arm being on your eye did cause most of your dual awareness.

I just want to make it clear that her arm was not on my eye.  She was sleeping next to me with her arm folded and her hand under her pillow.  I could also see her face.  She wasn't even close to me.  The thing is that I didn't seem to fully understand what I was seeing until I became fully awake, or, rather, I was interpreting what I saw as being the hallway which logically is a view that could only be acquired if I was standing by the bedroom door and looking out.  The eye that was saggy in the OOBE coincided with the eye that was squashed up against the pillow.

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No, because having an eye open can show you what's going on in your room, but often the point of view is different than what you would see through your eye, (I know, because I've tested this a few times) and views of places like the outside of my house, for example, cannot be explained that way- especially when they are validated.

That is indeed a pickle to explain in mundane terms.  Could you gives us brief examples of when you validated what you had observed in your OOBEs?
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 19:32:57 »

Well, let's see- there's a thread in which I already did some of this, but I'll go over some-
When I first was married I was home (I worked nights) taking a nap, and found myself in a room, where I could see my husband working on something that I didn't understand- he had a tacklebox with little metal balls and had a pair of tweezers and was messing with them.  I found this to be curious (because he worked in an industrial equipment rental place (had just been hired, we were young and starting out) so when I composed myself I called him and asked him if he had been doing something that wasn't the usual stuff- and he told me that his boss had asked him to rekey a lock (to change the lock in the place where he worked) and I had actually seen him going through the box in which he kept pins of different sizes, that go into lock cylinders.  Now I know what it is now, but I knew nothing about locksmithing at the time, and had never seen the equipment before, so I consider this a validation.
I've had others like that throughout the years, all spontaneous except one- the very first one (that's also in here somewhere) being when I was around eight and not knowing what was happening, for example.
These and others were validated.

One (that was not validated but it's worth mentioning because of the weirdness of it) is one time when I got etheric sight when meditating- with my eyes closed I could see my bedroom from a different vantage point from where I was sitting- so I opened my eyes and closed them really fast, and was fascinated to see how the point of view was different.  I hadn't had a separaration experience, I was just seeing the room from my left side as if I were standing in the bathroom.  After a few peeks it faded.  One thing I noticed is that the sight I got with my eyes closed was in sepia, while 'real world' was in color (this was during the day, I was simply meditating) but it was a unique experience for sure.

Can this be explained in mundane terms?  Sure, the point of view thing could have been memory-hypnagogics, I can't tell how many times I've stood in the bathroom and looked towards that particular corner.  But the experience was unique for sure, and memorable.
However, I claim the thing with the pins as validated, because at the time I knew nothing about what he was doing (that day, it wasn't his job) and I didn't even know he knew how to do this.  
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2011, 22:07:55 »

Very interesting.  I'd also like to point out that OOBEs seemingly allow you to get information about others.  This statement is true.  What is really going on here is anyone's guess.
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2011, 23:29:16 »

True Dat.
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