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« on: March 12, 2010, 22:43:10 »

So I just started getting into astral projection and OBE recently. I've been reading a few books and so far I've just been trying to learn to focus on my breathing, clearing my mind, and trying to feel the vibrations.

I just ended one session about 10 minutes ago, and I think I may have had some progress, but I'm not sure. I was lying down, focusing on my breathing and trying to clear my mind for about 15-20 minutes.

I then started to try to visualize myself in "Falling scenarios" to try to give myself the falling sensations some say bring on the vibrations. They didn't make a noticeable effect, except It felt as though my consciousness shift a little bit. It was like my mind didn't seem to be in the right place anymore, Like it was a bit to  the left of where it normally was. It's really hard to explain.

I then started to visualize and object 6 feet away from my face, and moving up and down in a rhythmic pattern. After a few minutes of this I started to notice different sensations. Like I was actually getting the falling sensations automatically, and my heart started beating extremely fast and hard. It was like I could feel my heart pounding in my head and my body.

...And that's as far as I got for that session. So I was wondering if this seems like the early stages of vibrations?

Also, I was wondering if it's bad to open your eyes and get up in the middle of a session? 
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 06:59:00 »

Sounds like the sensations that happen before experiencing the vibrations.
Trust me, when you get them, you will know  wink
The first few times I got them, I had to stop (It felt like my mind was enduring an 8.0 earthquake) and was shaking violently afterward, I believe this is because my energy body was not used to so much energy flowing through it. Gradually, they become less and less strong and now all I feel is tingly/buzzing..
I have stopped a session halfway through and opened my eyes many times, it interrupts your focus point and your state of consciousness, although if you close your eyes again right away you can get back there fairly easily.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 22:56:20 »

So i wanted to start a thread on Vibrations but then i noticed this one.

Okay, i have a problem.

HOW DO YOU REACH FOR THE VIBRATIONS?Huh
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 00:39:45 »

I do not know if it is bad to stop. I will say that what I experienced recently was a violent shaking, not even a vibrating. It was more like an adrenaline rush times ten. I felt my heart thudding as well, but it want the normal type you get when your afraid. After I interrupted this experience, I continued feeling shaky for almost an hour. I'd like to know if there are any side effects as well and if I was heading in the right direction. I could feel my chest almost arching and pulling me off the bed. Quite amazing.


Sounds like the sensations that happen before experiencing the vibrations.
Trust me, when you get them, you will know  wink
The first few times I got them, I had to stop (It felt like my mind was enduring an 8.0 earthquake) and was shaking violently afterward, I believe this is because my energy body was not used to so much energy flowing through it. Gradually, they become less and less strong and now all I feel is tingly/buzzing..
I have stopped a session halfway through and opened my eyes many times, it interrupts your focus point and your state of consciousness, although if you close your eyes again right away you can get back there fairly easily.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 01:56:16 »

I can do this at will. But i don't think that those are the vibrations everyone is talking about, although it could be a semantics issue.

Heart pounding could be it and i could be busting my head for naught, but i got a feeling that the vibrations are distinct from that. I get this idea mainly because when people describe their encounters with the vibrations they are not talking about heart pounding. Instead they speak of a very intense current sort of thing, like electricity running through their bodies and i think that if it was me, i could tell the difference from heart pounding and wouldn't describe it vaguely as "The Vibrations".

I even think Heart pounding is a bad sign when you get it. I for one never been helped by it. It is a sign of fear for me and when it happens it always inhibits any further progress.

I could be wrong but i prefer someone who knows best can clarify the issue.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 02:38:36 »

Yeah it wasn't so much heart pounding as a feeling where my heart is. There was no fear in it. Was just more of an uncontrolable shaking. I felt high afterwards. Don't know.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2010, 03:17:09 »

I don't think I've gotten to the vibrations yet.

Like today, I was focusing on my breathing, relaxing and try to clear my mind as much as possible. (I almost drifted off to sleep a few times but caught myself)
Then I would do some energy work like energy bounces, etc.

I felt a lot of sensations from doing the energy work, but that's as far as I get.  huh

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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 09:14:35 »

Perhaps too much is made about "vibrations".  For me they are a gentle thing anymore, but when I was younger they were intense - like an earthquake and often strongly in my head, etc.  They were scary and almost painful even.  Take them as a herald of a change in awareness.  I use them as a marker - the jump off point.  To induce them from a straight waking state is very difficult for me.  I get them usually in a WBTB situation or spontaneously when I wake in the night.  They are unmistakable though - very different from other sensations I get when going into a light trance, say during meditation.  As for the other sensations you may get together with the "vibes" - increased heart beat, noises, touching, falling/floating sensations - that is all potentially a part of the transition state and should simply be accepted, not fought against, IMO.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 15:24:47 »

Greetings Rising son. You seem somewhat knowledgeable on the topic so i'll just go ahead and ask a few things if you don't mind.

First of all, what is a WBTB situation?

Second your opinion about heart pounding seems to be one of positive attitude, but there are a few points i would like to make regarding this particular sensation that will explain to you why it is inhibiting to me. First of all when your heart is beating wildly your respiratory rhythm changes. You can't control your breathing anymore and as a counter effect of that, you hyperventilate. This creates a chain effect that not only affects your breathing rate but also your state of mind at the time. To put it simply it knocks you off balance and craps your concentration leaving you altogether frustrated and ultimately forcing you to drop the session.


I don't know if i have the wrong idea or whether or not i could do something to take advantage of the situation, but so far this is what happens to me when my heart is pounding. Only recently have i learned to "turn off" this sensation and i do it by forcing myself to calm down. When i do it my heart rate follows soon after. Now although i can turn it off i have the feeling there is something i could have done differently to create a different outcome, so if you have any tips on how that could be accompliced i would greatly appreciate it.


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They are unmistakable though - very different from other sensations I get when going into a light trance, say during meditation.  As for the other sensations you may get together with the "vibes" - increased heart beat, noises, touching, falling/floating sensations - that is all potentially a part of the transition state and should simply be accepted, not fought against, IMO.


I have to say i have never tried to do meditation. It has always seemed to be pointless to me. Although i understand the concept of energy work i figured it would be a lot cooler if i could get out of my body and go somewhere.

Now as far as the other sensations are concerned, i have experienced Heart pounding, noises(but not internal, instead i hear noises in my room when i practice, they always scare the crap out of me, but they always are something normal(i.e. my air condition cooling off, making noises from the temp difference that sort of stuff).), no touching, falling i have encountered oftentimes during my sleep. I get the sensation that i am falling eternally and then suddenly i wake up. Floating now i have never experienced.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 15:50:36 »

So i wanted to start a thread on Vibrations but then i noticed this one.

Okay, i have a problem.

HOW DO YOU REACH FOR THE VIBRATIONS?Huh
Forgive me if someone else said this already- I confess I didn't read all the posts- but you don't reach for the vibrations.  'Reaching' for the vibrations was a concept Monroe coined at the beginning of his experiments.  His views about this changed after he had some experience.
Vibrations are transitional sensations.  This means that you are at a certain trance state, still aware, and your consciousness is changing.  This change is felt as vibrations (with sounds sometimes).  This shows your awareness is changing.  You don't 'make them happen', you experience them as you make the trance happen.

The way you get to the exit state is to maintain conscious awareness as your body falls asleep- there are many meditational methods (including energy work) to help you achieve this state without falling asleep.  The technique Central thread has many of these- pick and choose.

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 16:49:42 »

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Forgive me if someone else said this already- I confess I didn't read all the posts- but you don't reach for the vibrations.  'Reaching' for the vibrations was a concept Monroe coined at the beginning of his experiments. His views about this changed after he had some experience.
Vibrations are transitional sensations.  This means that you are at a certain trance state, still aware, and your consciousness is changing.  This change is felt as vibrations (with sounds sometimes).  This shows your awareness is changing.  You don't 'make them happen', you experience them as you make the trance happen.


I have to hand it to you that you are to the point. I thank you for this clarification. This will save me tons of time.



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The way you get to the exit state is to maintain conscious awareness as your body falls asleep- there are many meditational methods (including energy work) to help you achieve this state without falling asleep.  The technique Central thread has many of these- pick and choose.

Now here's the thing. Using Mr. Monroe's Journeys out of the Body Audio Program i have reached the state where my body is asleep and my mind is awake. I have even had a session where my body felt heavy as lead but my mind was awake and alert.

As long as i was trying to keep my mind alert i would be awake and that was it. But after a while it would seem that there was no point in this(as nothing would happen) and i would allow my mind to fall asleep(well not actually asleep, perhaps, tranquil(as in contrast to alert) would be a more accurate term..)  a little bit to see whether there would be any change. I managed to stay awake probably 10-15 minutes and nothing happened, so then i started doing the click outs.

Is there something you could suggest as a good, proper way to make that transition? Those past days i made the mistake of overloading my brain with information and i tried several methods all at once. Now i realize that this won't get me anywhere, so i started taking a slower pace.

Now i understand that you have your own way to get there(?), so i would like to hear which method you are using if that's okay with you. Oh and i know you might say that each person is different and that whatever might work for you might not work for me, but please, just go with it and say if you will a method that works for you. I think i can find the wisdom to adapt from that and maybe salvage what suits me.

Please, if you choose to give me that information, be meticulous so i can pump out raw information and process it(i always try to see the principles behind the techniques). The slightest detail might make the difference.

I hope you don't find my request invasive, it's just that i am hopelessly stuck and i seek a way out(literally grin)
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 23:18:30 »

I'll do what I can- and save all the 'individual' deal-  cheesy

Since many people do not get vibrations (I don't), you may have to look for other symptoms that tell you you're at the right state to project- and if you've done the Hemi-Sync thing you have some experience, which may mean that the change in consciousness may be happening but you may not realize it- you may be 'there' and not know it.  This happens to everyone, I can't tell you how many times it's happened to me.

So I'll tell you what I do -not the preliminary stuff, but what happens once I'm in trance:

I'm nice and relaxed, I feel sleepy and comfy, but I know that I have to keep awake.

Now I'm observing what's in front of my eyes.  (Blackness, pinkness, blobby stuff, depends on the time of day)-

I start to catch brief glimpses of voices.  Sometimes I'm talking, without knowing I'm doing it.  In my head, really fast.  Now I know I'm in a light trance.  If the trance was deeper, I'd actually 'hear' the voices and I'd understand them.  I may hear random things, and perhaps feel lightheaded.
There can be a sensation of movement- like when you're on a rocking chair with your eyes closed, and there is a slight 'off balance' feeling, maybe lightness.  This shows I'm in trance, not necessarily deep enough, but I'm at the threshold.

Now I concentrate on what's in front of me.  Not necessarily anything, just the feeling of space in front of me, or any other thing that appears.

If there is something (like the blobby things become a background, and there is a movement, a feeling of pixellation.  Identify the movement, and desire to follow it.  Like when you're surfing and you 'lean into' a wave- or like when you're skiing and you lean downwards to get speed.  If you're feeling you're going backwards, imagine the front of you is the floor and you are falling off the face of the earth- make it happen, just let yourself fall, it feels good.

If none of this is happening yet, concentrate on staring ahead and listen to your earhiss.  If you can 'fix' one one tone, do so.  After a while you'll detect more than one tone- change your focus and 'fix' on the lower tone.  This will make it easier- I believe it's brainwave entrainment of a sort- you are synchronizing yourself to some internal frequency, and by actively listening to it while at the same time you observe, you will shift frequencies, sometimes abruptly- you may start hearing things, or seeing things.

At some point the blobs in front of you may turn grainy and the resolution may improve and you may see landscapes.  Observe them.   Or,
Instead of pictures you may see a vortex of energy (I'm not kidding) in front of you.  Lean into it.

If you do get vibrations, then do one of two things- try the rope technique.  Do if for at least fifteen minutes.  If it doesn't work, do not give up, go into an energy body loosening technique (there are some here, I may have written up something in the techniques section, but don't hold me to that, lol) then go back to noticing, and then try it again.

If you feel floaty, try to imagine you're in the bottom of a pool, and are floating up to the surface.  Do this a few times.  If you get any visuals then try for any exit technique that is not 'centering'- like the surfing, waterskiing, surfing, etc.  All of these go with the movement that is there already.

If you end up seeing figures in front of you and are not faint of heart, ask one of them to pull you out- extend your imaginary hand and go with the pull.  As soon as you're airborne, keep going away fast.  Don't stay and say hello.  Just go.

And that's how I do it.

I use different techniques depending on what symptoms I get.  If I get no symptoms whatsoever and I've been at it for an hour, then I simply do rope until I either pass out or get up and walk away.

Something that I think is important:
When you try something, and have been trying for a while (like an hour, for example) and it doesn't work, do not go to sleep.  Get up and walk around.  Go somewhere, read a book (not in your room).  And then go to sleep.
You may be surprised at the times you get up and find you are floating.

And that's all I can think of for now.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2010, 23:21:53 »

I got vibrations when I momentarily closed my eye driving the freeway today.


Just saying  huh
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 23:23:07 »

Well, I'm glad you didn't decide to project then and there.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2010, 01:16:25 »

All I can manage to do now after 45 minutes is relax myself to the point where I can barely feel my body, I have a slight off balance feeling, and slight surging sensations.

I've only just started a few days ago though, so I'm not expecting to experience too much this early on.

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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2010, 04:02:16 »

First, I'd like to say that CFTraveler's observations all ring true.  Nice detail and depth too, thanks for that!

To answer your questions Koyaanisqatsi (great movie, BTW):

First of all, what is a WBTB situation?

It is the acronym for Wake Back To Bed.  The basic idea is to sleep long enough to give your body an adequate delta wave deep sleep and then wake up for a while, hopefully near a REM cycle, and then go back to bed and use your visualization methods and so on to enter a trance and hopefully an OBE or lucid dream.  You have to figure out the best time for you since each person has different needs.  For me, about 4 hours of sleep is perfect.  I wake by alarm of course and then meditate for a half hour or so.  Another option is to listen to a binaural beat recording.  Then I go back to bed in full awareness, but also in a half trance already.

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I have to say i have never tried to do meditation. It has always seemed to be pointless to me. Although i understand the concept of energy work i figured it would be a lot cooler if i could get out of my body and go somewhere.

Meditation is a practice of focus, and focus is critical in attempting an OBE as far as I can tell.  I too used to think that mediation did nothing for me (actually that is it's major point, to not do).  I learned early on that practicing it alongside physical energy work made both more effective.  By practicing meditation you can enhance your ability to enter trance states, find mental and physical blocks in your mind/body, and also learn to balance your energy.  I've never actually projected from sitting meditation (my preferred stance), but I've had some pretty amazing hypnagogic imagery and sounds.  You have to practice it like any other discipline to find what it can do for you.  Soon it will become as easy as falling off the proverbial log.

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Now as far as the other sensations are concerned, i have experienced Heart pounding, noises(but not internal, instead i hear noises in my room when i practice, they always scare the crap out of me, but they always are something normal(i.e. my air condition cooling off, making noises from the temp difference that sort of stuff).), no touching, falling i have encountered oftentimes during my sleep. I get the sensation that i am falling eternally and then suddenly i wake up. Floating now i have never experienced.

These all are common symptoms of "the vibrational state" and my opinion it is best not to fight them or put any negative spin on them.  The heart pounding can be a result of being really afraid and having your physical heart actually going like mad, or it can just be another "phantom" sensation like the sounds you're hearing (please don't ask me about the heart chakra on this one).  Don't worry, they will pass, or you'll learn a way around fearing them.  The big trick is to not fear what happens during the transition - the more you resist, the more likely those sensations will amplify or keep you stuck.  When I get uncomfortable in there I laugh or simply flow with whatever is happening.  I don't think anyone has ever died from them, so fear not! I would add that vibrations are very gentle anymore for me, soothing really, not the violent ones I used to have when I was younger.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2010, 11:36:43 »

Now where do i begin! Both CFTraveler's and Rising Son's answers were profound.

Well, i guess first things first.

CFTraveler i am indebted to you for sharing your wisdom with me and indeed with the rest of the board. As you see other readers also need those clarifications so i think it's a good thing we are having this conversation.

My way of thinking has always revolved around semantics when i wanted to learn something. With this aspect of practices it's no different. I feel there are lots of terms that you either attach meaning to through your own experiences and oftentimes they do not resemble the experience of your fellow man(despite the fact that they come under the same label). If that is the case i want to identify them and try to reach common ground by correlating experiences and comparing definitions.

So as a consequence of that i have to ask you, please, define what you mean when you say "trance", "light trance"(and i am not going to ask you to analyze anything else for now because yesterday i had you write a whole damned essay!!! so relax bro  grin). The reason i am asking you this is to confirm whether or not we attach the same meaning to the word when we both say "trance".

I'll just go ahead and tell you my definition of trance:

Trance for me is a state of being where first of all you are laid in a bed or a (comfy armchair) comfortably, and you try to relax all your muscles so you in a way cancel your body awareness, leaving you only with the awareness of either your conscious or your subconscious factor. That is my definition of trance. Let's compare notes and see how we can communicate from there on.

I want to comment a few things on your post, but i am going to make my point directly when i will post my last night experience here later today. I will just lay out what happened last night, and what would be really useful would be if you could see my written experience and suggest what i could have done differently to avoid or enhance a few situations and show me the indications of which state i was and when, as defined by their certain traits.

All the best and thank you so far for taking the time to clarify a few points.
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It is the acronym for Wake Back To Bed.  The basic idea is to sleep long enough to give your body an adequate delta wave deep sleep and then wake up for a while, hopefully near a REM cycle, and then go back to bed and use your visualization methods and so on to enter a trance and hopefully an OBE or lucid dream.  You have to figure out the best time for you since each person has different needs.  For me, about 4 hours of sleep is perfect.  I wake by alarm of course and then meditate for a half hour or so.  Another option is to listen to a binaural beat recording.  Then I go back to bed in full awareness, but also in a half trance already.


So i have a question here, what if instead of sleeping i could use a brainwave generator and artificially induce delta waves? If i do that then isn't the WBTB a redundant process?



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Meditation is a practice of focus, and focus is critical in attempting an OBE as far as I can tell.  I too used to think that meditation did nothing for me (actually that is it's major point, to not do).  I learned early on that practicing it alongside physical energy work made both more effective.  By practicing meditation you can enhance your ability to enter trance states, find mental and physical blocks in your mind/body, and also learn to balance your energy.  I've never actually projected from sitting meditation (my preferred stance), but I've had some pretty amazing hypnagogic imagery and sounds.  You have to practice it like any other discipline to find what it can do for you.  Soon it will become as easy as falling off the proverbial log.

I've been trying to deepen my concentration(i am sure that we are talking about the same thing(?)) ever since i was a kid. I am fairly fair at it nowadays. Although there are a few things that turn me up and a few things that turn me down. Meditation is a practice that's in between for me, it conjures neither hot nor cold. Well, dunno, if all else fails i might take up on that advice. It's just that i want to focus on the thingie i REALLY want to experience, and that is an Out of Body experience. Been wanting that for AGES.




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These all are common symptoms of "the vibrational state" and my opinion it is best not to fight them or put any negative spin on them.  The heart pounding can be a result of being really afraid and having your physical heart actually going like mad, or it can just be another "phantom" sensation like the sounds you're hearing (please don't ask me about the heart chakra on this one).  Don't worry, they will pass, or you'll learn a way around fearing them.  The big trick is to not fear what happens during the transition - the more you resist, the more likely those sensations will amplify or keep you stuck.  When I get uncomfortable in there I laugh or simply flow with whatever is happening.  I don't think anyone has ever died from them, so fear not! I would add that vibrations are very gentle anymore for me, soothing really, not the violent ones I used to have when I was younger.


Well, please allow me to tell you a few things about fear that you might or might not be aware of. Fear is NOT a product of logic. You cannot tell a person to stop fearing something, because it is physiologically impossible for one to go beyond fear using logic. The only thing you can really do is grow courage(or a sense of adventure as i like to call it), and act while you still are afraid.

I have recently read a neurology book that mentions exactly that. It says(and i quote)

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The amygdala, for example is a structure which is implicated in "emotional" memories, like those which create fears, panic attacks and post-traumatic stress disorder. All these problems appear after a very frightening experience takes place and are imprinted upon the brain. Because the cerebral system in which they depend functions independently of conscious, rational thinking, those problems resist to treatments via conscious, logical arguments. If someone has a flight phobia, it is useless to say, "Calm down-Every year more people are killed by bicycles than by airplanes".

I think the same applies here. In order to go beyond your fear you have to cross it. So i guess that summarizes it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2010, 12:40:30 »

CFTraveler. Your description of transition was crucial in light of clearing misconceptions and it has pointed out to a clearer way. Indeed last night i made use of a lot of the stuff you wrote and it resulted in a profound state of relaxation and peace with the situation that i was going through. I was surprised last night by the lack of fear on my part and i even went as far to have a few visual outputs.


First of all let me point out that last night i was using Frank's Method of inducing an OOBE. That is i was noticing the blackness for movement of any kind while at the same time i was relaxing my body and entering a quick focus 10 level. After a while i saw a lot of visual stimuli which i do not recall, but it was so many that fortunately i do recall some. For instance i know i saw blobby fields, fields of yellow with red dots(lol seriously i did) and at some critical point(which i thought i was going to either explode or be separated in two pieces) i saw in my vision colorful ribbons flowing around creating a rectangular object in the middle of my vision which felt as a gateway to somewhere else. Sadly i wasn't ready to enter. I was having lots of distractions by my physical body which inhibited my efforts.


Namely, have you ever attempted to have an OOBE while partly tired? Well, when you do that you have to yawn all the time and from the constant yawning, tears form in your eyes which after a while dry out and feels like your eyes have been covered in mud. Supposed this happens while you already are in a very deep state of relaxation. What would you do? I for one sticked with it and i am glad i did because i went too far last night and perhaps i would have had an OOBE had it not been for those annoying distractions.


At some point while i was relaxing i felt electricity on my legs and later on it climbed upwards where it ceased(Vibrations?). Much later on when i was fully relaxed and committed to the experience i clicked out(but in a nice way, i didn't do it because i wanted to sleep or lost focus, it was something like a change of phase, that's the best i can describe it, and when it happens this is when the fear kicks in and says, "whoo, just hold on, what is that?") and a rocking motion moved in(but only for a few two or three seconds) which got me thinking, "wow, i am really going" by which point i became detached by the experience.


Generally last night i felt i was really close to achieving something and before i can make progress i think i have to change a few things on the physical part. First of all i need a better pillow(Sorry guys for my babbling, i know it doesn't interest anyone but i want to make a point) because my head gets tired after a while and i have to move it(Somehow i get the feeling that the less you move during an effort to exit the better for the whole experience) and i have to do something about my watery eyes and my yawning. Any recommendations would be welcome.


One last thing. Last night after being in the same posture for nearly an hour i had to change position(my whole body felt sore). I am sure that this inhibits the effort, am i right? I really want to stress out that there can never be a situation that you do not feel your physical body even slightly. One way or another you have to make it shut up so you can do more serious stuff.

Well that is all from my experience last night.
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2010, 14:27:36 »

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Trance for me is a state of being where first of all you are laid in a bed or a (comfy armchair) comfortably, and you try to relax all your muscles so you in a way cancel your body awareness, leaving you only with the awareness of either your conscious or your subconscious factor. That is my definition of trance. Let's compare notes and see how we can communicate from there on.
I call this very light trance- you are relaxed, very unaware of your body, but you can hear ambient sound and can move your body.  Medium trance (for me) is when ambient sound becomes muted by your own 'inner' sound, but still can move, and Deep trance is when all outside stimulus is gone, and it's all you, and you are if not paralyzed as close to paralyzed as you can be.
The problem with these classifications is that they sort of make you take notice of your body- so I recommend that you focus on your perceptions and how your mind reacts to them.  For example, if you click out and know you did, that is good- it means you are aware.  If you can keep discipline to 'stay' in it, the transition will come soon.

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Generally last night i felt i was really close to achieving something and before i can make progress i think i have to change a few things on the physical part. First of all i need a better pillow(Sorry guys for my babbling, i know it doesn't interest anyone but i want to make a point) because my head gets tired after a while and i have to move it(Somehow i get the feeling that the less you move during an effort to exit the better for the whole experience) and i have to do something about my watery eyes and my yawning. Any recommendations would be welcome.
It sounds like you may need a different position.  I usually project on a recliner I have in my bedroom.
This is good for me, because I keep my sleeping space and my projecting space different, ritualizing the operation, and also keeps me from having sleep problems.  But it's in my bedroom, so I can shut the door and keep the cats out, which have really great timing, when it comes to my trance.

If you are so uncomfortable that you need to move, do it, and then dedicate the rest of the time to your practice, because you don't want to focus on your discomfort.

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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2010, 15:45:55 »


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I call this very light trance- you are relaxed, very unaware of your body, but you can hear ambient sound and can move your body.  Medium trance (for me) is when ambient sound becomes muted by your own 'inner' sound, but still can move, and Deep trance is when all outside stimulus is gone, and it's all you, and you are if not paralyzed as close to paralyzed as you can be.
The problem with these classifications is that they sort of make you take notice of your body- so I recommend that you focus on your perceptions and how your mind reacts to them.  For example, if you click out and know you did, that is good- it means you are aware.  If you can keep discipline to 'stay' in it, the transition will come soon.


So the way i understand it is that progressively you have to drag yourself to a deep trance to release from your body. Is that right?
If i have the correct understanding then i think i am in the right direction now. I hope that soon i can come here and post my first OOBE.




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It sounds like you may need a different position.  I usually project on a recliner I have in my bedroom.
This is good for me, because I keep my sleeping space and my projecting space different, ritualizing the operation, and also keeps me from having sleep problems.  But it's in my bedroom, so I can shut the door and keep the cats out, which have really great timing, when it comes to my trance.

If you are so uncomfortable that you need to move, do it, and then dedicate the rest of the time to your practice, because you don't want to focus on your discomfort.

What you have written resonates with me and it seems i have the right feel of the thing as i have instinctively been reacting as you instruct. As for the bed thing, I too like to use my bed only for two things, Sleep and Sex. So i guess i will have to buy a recliner for my reading and projecting sessions.


You have been most helpful and i feel deep gratitude. I hope i have enough information to succeed. I will let everyone know of my results once and if they are positive. Once again, thank you for the insight.
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So the way i understand it is that progressively you have to drag yourself to a deep trance to release from your body. Is that right?
At first, yes.  And although some people can project without being paralyzed, it's much harder, and almost impossible at first.
And, thanks for your kind words.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2010, 08:47:08 »

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So i have a question here, what if instead of sleeping i could use a brainwave generator and artificially induce delta waves? If i do that then isn't the WBTB a redundant process?

Ah, not a clue, sorry!  I just use the natural method.

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I've been trying to deepen my concentration(i am sure that we are talking about the same thing(?)) ever since i was a kid. I am fairly fair at it nowadays. Although there are a few things that turn me up and a few things that turn me down. Meditation is a practice that's in between for me, it conjures neither hot nor cold. Well, dunno, if all else fails i might take up on that advice. It's just that i want to focus on the thingie i REALLY want to experience, and that is an Out of Body experience. Been wanting that for AGES.

For me a lot of learning to concentrate has been about reining in the monkey mind - that part that won't shut up.  Meditation has definitely helped with that effort.  A clearer mind has also made concentration in general easier for me, and so going into a trance.  Now if I could only get better at separating from my body!

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Well, please allow me to tell you a few things about fear that you might or might not be aware of. Fear is NOT a product of logic. You cannot tell a person to stop fearing something, because it is physiologically impossible for one to go beyond fear using logic. The only thing you can really do is grow courage(or a sense of adventure as i like to call it), and act while you still are afraid.  I have recently read a neurology book that mentions exactly that. I think the same applies here. In order to go beyond your fear you have to cross it. So i guess that summarizes it.

You'll get no argument from me about trying to logically deal with fear.  I passed through my fear of the vibrational state and all those hallucinations by simply realizing what was going on.  Very quickly I got beyond the fear simply because I knew what I was facing.  I also think that my other spiritual practices (including meditation) have helped me deal with a bunch of my overall fear and this has also helped me deal with the vibrational state jitters.  Before I knew about sleep paralysis, it used to scare the poop out of me!
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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2010, 03:29:22 »

The few times I have been able to fall asleep with conscious self-awareness intact.. breath awareness seems to be the most natural method for me.  When you do it right, you will reach a certain point where you just know, based on the fact that you "know" you can't feel your own physical body anymore but know that it is there.  It is at this point that the vibrations start as a mild electrical buzz, which then become violent with the "air hiss" phenomenon and then all I do is just use the float out of body technique for exiting. 

Most of my first few were very short, but this last one I was actually able to do a RTZ projection for what felt like 5 minutes. 

I did this every single night when I was a child, probably because I was living in Saudi Arabia and there was a portal with inter-dimensional beings/entities helping me exit each night.. but as I grew up that became dormant and now I'm trying to condition myself to have it on a regalar basis in what Monroe called a "conditioned reflex".. ie.. you do it enough times and reprogram your brain then it becomes easier and eventually becomes the norm when you go to "bed" at night.
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