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« on: October 29, 2016, 00:53:56 »

This morning I went back to bed to sleep in after waking up. It is hard to be sure how good my memory is of the sequence of events since it is possible there were nested dreams involved, but this is how I remember it.

I had not laid down for long at all before I began my attempt to project. I tossed and turned a little before settling down and letting my mind drift. You know you are getting close due to a physical sensation of haziness or lightness. It is difficult to describe but I have become more familiar with this feeling by naturally drifting off to sleep while listening to audiobooks. The narration holds attention long enough to perceive this sensation where you may normally spiral off into sleep.

The duration of time from being in this reality to the next was no more than the span of two breaths. Somehow the breaths were critical and possibly the most important innovation learned from this experience. It was all about the exhale, during a long exhale I would feel the "sensation" increase and get some glimpses of subtle lights.

Upon the second long exhale I saw slightly more vivid lights but nothing extraordinary - there was also a quiet bang that caught my attention as a sign of crossover, although it was indeed much quieter than some of the gunshots I have heard in the past on failed attempts.

Truth be told I thought I had failed this attempt too because post bang I felt no different. I decided to open my eyes and there was a strange window in the wall that didn't belong. I suspected that I was not in my normal house so I went out to confirm the longue and found my partner watching TV. From this point I was swept away in the dream scenario - touch football at the beach, a movie theatre full of violent rioting high school students.

It wasn't until I woke up in this reality that it really clicked that I had been in another reality. At some point I must have become convinced that the strange house was indeed my house.

The critical question was, did I really discover a useful addition to wake induced separation technique and perform my first fully conscious end to end separation, or was I already dreaming when I began - which has fooled me more than once before.
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2016, 01:05:21 »

The critical question was, did I really discover a useful addition to wake induced separation technique and perform my first fully conscious end to end separation, or was I already dreaming when I began - which has fooled me more than once before.
Did it work? Yes.

 So, if something's not broken, don't fix it. In other words, "stay with the winning team"!  wink

 Once again, you are doubting what Dreams really are. I thought you had gotten beyond that!
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2016, 01:36:06 »

Did it work? Yes.

 So, if something's not broken, don't fix it. In other words, "stay with the winning team"!  wink

 Once again, you are doubting what Dreams really are. I thought you had gotten beyond that!

Without a doubt this discovery holds a lot of potential in my mind and I intend to test it further, it is very exciting.

I am not certain I understand what you mean regarding the doubt of dreams.

What was I was trying to get at with that point is that I have on multiple occasions attempted to "project" when I am already shifted. In these circumstances success comes instantly with no effort, it is extremely trivial. But it isn't all that valuable for a learning experience to have an easy separation if it is non-transferrable (at my level) to an actual successful implementation within the physical reality state of mind.

Maybe I am missing something, but flying around in a dream effortlessly doesn't help us fly in this reality. Does this make sense?

In this case I think what I experienced was a genuine application, but even if it wasn't it seems like it may work anyway. As Campbell says the proof will be in the tasting next time I try.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 22:06:57 »

Without a doubt this discovery holds a lot of potential in my mind and I intend to test it further, it is very exciting.

I am not certain I understand what you mean regarding the doubt of dreams.

What was I was trying to get at with that point is that I have on multiple occasions attempted to "project" when I am already shifted. In these circumstances success comes instantly with no effort, it is extremely trivial. But it isn't all that valuable for a learning experience to have an easy separation if it is non-transferrable (at my level) to an actual successful implementation within the physical reality state of mind.

Maybe I am missing something, but flying around in a dream effortlessly doesn't help us fly in this reality. Does this make sense?

In this case I think what I experienced was a genuine application, but even if it wasn't it seems like it may work anyway. As Campbell says the proof will be in the tasting next time I try.

Have you had a chance to try this approach again. I would be interested to know how it work for you on another try.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2016, 00:21:46 »

I have tried a few times without success. Once in similar wake and back to bed conditions, but I wasn't tired enough to fall asleep. I tried a few times after waking up in the middle of the night, and I had out of body experiences each time, but they were not wake induced. The standard kind where I would black out and become aware mid scenario.

I have found that there is actually no solid difference between the wake induced experience and my standard lucid dream in terms of clarity. You could argue that the initial seconds of the wake induced experience hold slightly more clarity and awareness of the fact that you are dreaming, it is hard to say for sure.

The big limitation of this approach is that you need to be able to fall asleep to do it - it is extremely easy with the right balance of tiredness, but getting said balance is almost out of our ability to control so it is non-reproducible.

I am still confident that an important training mechanism for this approach is becoming familiar and comfortable with the feeling of falling asleep. By going to sleep at night with an audiobook playing I can catch myself drifting off multiple times, each time getting closer to sleep but without completely losing awareness. Then once you are close enough, I suppose you need to replace the external source of awareness with an internal thread.

It is necessary to be able to witness the process of drifting off without "waking up with a start" as you realize it is happening because that will slingshot you right back to full awareness.
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