What did I do right? What am I doing wrong?

[Xanth]

The one thing I hate about AP is its so darn time-consuming

But the rewards are so spiritually fulfilling. 

[David Warner]

Fresco,

Do you honestly think that research, reading, educating yourself, taking time with journals, statistics, being patient when the chance comes is not part of the picture?  If so, then you are on the right course towards projecting. Otherwise, this is something that is not a overnight success and there is NO magic pills.

I hope that I don't come off sounding rude or condescending but in all honestly it all takes time. Reading, educating yourself and taking slow steps to success. This is what the forums are for and the on-line community. Sure there is a lot of posts to go through but it is well worth reading and learning from others who are successful or first starting out.

You have a whole lifetime of reading, practicing to do and it just does not end when you have a few OBES under your belt. You keep it going and before you strengthen that ability to project weekly. You keep on educating by reading different religions, near death experiences, performing research, running the whole gambit.

I say this not just to you but to everyone what 'IT REALLY TAKES' to be a consistent projector.

Hope this helps...

DW

[Fresco]

@ D. Warner

No, what I meant was the actual meditation part is time-consuming.  
I literally have to lie still for 45 minutes before I notice some kind of body separation.  I'm a very energetic guy, lying still is not something I'm good at

I agree with rest of your post though, you have have to give it a serious effort if you want results

[NickisDank]

@ D. Warner

No, what I meant was the actual meditation part is time-consuming.  
I literally have to lie still for 45 minutes before I notice some kind of body separation.  I'm a very energetic guy, lying still is not something I'm good at

I agree with rest of your post though, you have have to give it a serious effort if you want results

hey man same here, literally no difference

[Xanth]

@ D. Warner

No, what I meant was the actual meditation part is time-consuming.  
I literally have to lie still for 45 minutes before I notice some kind of body separation.  I'm a very energetic guy, lying still is not something I'm good at

I agree with rest of your post though, you have have to give it a serious effort if you want results

That part will be vastly reduced with "time" and "practice".

The point is that, eventually, "lying still" will be something that you're good at.  Just keep at it... it does take a lot of determined time and effort to do it properly and quickly, but you CAN do it. 

[Fresco]

That part will be vastly reduced with "time" and "practice".

The point is that, eventually, "lying still" will be something that you're good at.  Just keep at it... it does take a lot of determined time and effort to do it properly and quickly, but you CAN do it. 

I'd like to get to the point where the Buddhist monks do it, they lie still for 5 minutes and boom they're out.  That would be amazing.

Also I heard those guys can stay out for days at a time

[CFTraveler]

After many years of sitting in meditative trance for hours at a time.  So be glad it's only 45 minutes.

[Xanth]

It's funny, cause I was watching some more Thomas Campbell videos yesterday and he was saying stuff that I really already knew to be true.
He was talking about "meditation" and how everything we do about it is all ritual for the end result of being able to "listen to yourself".  And how you get there... for example, all of our ritual involved with finding the appropriate time, and quiet atmosphere along with maybe some music or some people do energy raising too... it's all just RITUAL designed to focus your intent towards your goal.

Well... in the end, it's all really meaningless.  If you can learn to focus your intent without all of that ritual, THAT is where it really begins.  Then you can meditate anytime, anywhere, in any noise, in any situation!  And he's 100% right... you can literally go through your entire day, 24 hours of meditation.

I can see how this relates to the non-physical too... because what we do constantly in the physical usually starts to come across into our non-physical life as well (aka dreams).  So if you're always in a meditative state during your waking life, this will start to happen more and more in your non-physical life as well... and it will manifest in ways in the non-physical which you probably can't even realize right now.

Anyway, just food for thought. 

[Stookie]

I agree Ryan. Here's what I have to add:

I'll admit that at first, meditation was kinda boring and difficult. But with practice and experience, I can promise you it won't be. It's a joy to do it on a daily basis - it's like spiritual food you have to eat. If your one and only goal is to have an OBE, it's probably harder to enjoy the process. That's why I tell people, relax and enjoy being relaxed, find a way to enjoy the whole process from beginning to end. Do exercises that are meaningful to you.

And it's not just the daily experience, but the entire changes that take place in your life, from being more aware of your surroundings and thoughts and feelings, to higher level of concentration and discipline you acquire over time. That discipline starts to spill out into other areas of life as well. And as you notice this stuff start to happen naturally, there's no question where it comes from, and you have to get your daily dose of spiritual food. Then it's no longer boring or a chore, it's a chosen lifestyle that you take pride in it.