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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2002, 13:27:59 »

Hi Adrian,
Yesterday, I posted on this in the OBE Experiences forum ... I included my *method* and the results.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=&TOPIC_ID=2843

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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2002, 18:06:19 »

Alivie-

THat's  wonderful lifestyle that allows you to get up for 5-6 hours and then take a leisurely nap...unfortunately most of us have to work.  Anyway, what kind of success have you had getting into the trance state with this routine?


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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2002, 18:06:19 »

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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2002, 20:57:43 »

Well, these are all good suggestions, but I still have a simple, minor problem.  Ya see, no matter how hard I try, I always seem to have a song in my head.  The only time I think I DONT have a song playing up there is when i first wake up.  And at that point im just not ready to conentrate on ANYTHING!  Well...any tips? I've had 2 from another post that got cleared in that big sweep that happened a while back.

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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2002, 18:10:21 »

I think I phased this morning.  I'm not sure.  I'll try to describe it, and then you experienced people tell me if I'm posting in the right place:

It started out like dreams moving through dreams, you know, the typical unaware dream thing.  Then, after an emotional burst and commitment to "leave" a dreamscape I found myself aware in a bedroom on the second floor of a house.  Quiet, completely tidy, almost monastic, with a window looking out over a pretty landscape.  (Definitely "lucid dream" material, I hear you thinking . . . ok now it gets weird)

So, I'm standing there, thinking, okay, I'm in this room, and then all of a sudden the view in front of my eyes  morphs into me in bed, and it is morning.  Kind of like a special effect in a movie.  

It was totally different than "waking up" - -   In fact, if I were to get technical, I haven't "woken up" yet!  I'm still in my dream!

So here I am typing on Astral Pulse and munching on my 6th chocolate of the day.  Christmas party went off without a hitch.  It all SEEMS normal - - hey, you all out there?

One thing I noticed during the shift was something akin to electrical "static," sort of like what you hear after you turn off the TV and run your hand over the screen.  In fact, more than anything else I've experienced, it felt the way I used to feel coming back from my OBE's - - - except with my OBEs I heard the static but felt as though I were emerging from under water (though I could always breathe).

OK, is this phasing?  I'm awfully curious.


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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2002, 11:04:17 »



Tisha: It sounds from what you say you came awake within a lucid dream and found yourself within the Astral someplace. Also, the experience at the end I think is you having a more controlled return.

Normally, in the beginning, the return phase tends to be executed rather hurredly, more as a means of "escape" than anything. Smiley  But as the return sequence gets more controlled it does get to seem a lot like you describe. In that you first tend to see an image of you within the Physical, and it does feel a lot like you've come awake. But the confusing thing is, at the same time you know you are still within something of an Astral experience... and then you come awake in the Physical proper.

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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2002, 12:59:04 »

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Originally posted by Squeek:
Well, these are all good suggestions, but I still have a simple, minor problem.  Ya see, no matter how hard I try, I always seem to have a song in my head.  The only time I think I DONT have a song playing up there is when i first wake up.  And at that point im just not ready to conentrate on ANYTHING!  Well...any tips?




Funnily enough, this morning I came awake with a song in my head.

I had been pottering about in my workshop the previous day repairing my nephew's car, and I'd had the radio on. There was a particular song that kept playing and it got to be a bit annoying. I actually switched the radio off because of it. Anyhow, this morning it was still in my head.

As a few people here have posted about having the same problem I thought, hmm, I wonder if it would be possible to use this situation advantageously in some way.

So I focused on the tune and, what was happening, this chorus-line kept repeating. The main instrument was a piano together with a voice. I don't even know what the tune is called (I'll try and find out) but it has this catchy piano bit that keeps repeating. Anyhow, rather than try and shut it out, I began to concentrate more and more on this repeating piano. As I did so, the voice part faded into the background to the point where only the piano notes remained.

Next I started slowing down the sequence of notes, ever more gradually to the point where I was taking just one note at a time. As I was doing this, I also gradually increased the length of each note so each one would last a about a second or two (note lengths vary naturally, so increased them all in proportion to what they were originally). I concentrated on feeling each note and tried to make them as real, i.e. as lifelike, as possible in my mind.

Well, I think I hit on something here, because after only about 10 minutes of this I found myself stepping into 3D blackness!  

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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2002, 21:32:28 »

Greetings Frank!

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Well, I think I hit on something here, because after only about 10 minutes of this I found myself stepping into 3D blackness!  

 



Yes indeed! I would suggest that it goes further to one of the main principles that we have been discussing in this forum. Specifically, in order to phase into the Astral, it is necessary to phase out of the physical, or more specifically away from the five physical senses with which we experience our physical environment.

Hitherto, we have discussed focusing internally on created imagery, but I see no reason why we should not focus on sounds, e.g. music, or even smells or even touch. The point is, one is shifting ones focus from our mundane physical senses to the Astral senses, and once a full set of Astral senses is achieved, the gateway to the Astral presents itself.

Thanks as ever.

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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2002, 15:23:38 »



Adrian: Yes you got me thinking. When you say smells, is that why a lot of these mystical sort of groups burn incense? In that they associate a particular kind of smell to a particular kind of mental state?

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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2002, 16:52:49 »

Hi All, Happy New Year Soon to all which it applys too..On the subject of songs stuck in the head I seem to remember Robert Bruce giving some good advice for this in Astral Dynamics does  that sound right? ..
If someone remembers it better they could expand on it for Squeek Ill see if I can find it.
Frank Gosh I just gotta say I envy you, you seem to have the nack now to focus on the nonphysical using just about anything "grin" I have been busy reading Bruce Moen's books he's got me really fastinated now


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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2002, 20:37:05 »

Greetings Frank!

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Adrian: Yes you got me thinking. When you say smells, is that why a lot of these mystical sort of groups burn incense? In that they associate a particular kind of smell to a particular kind of mental state?



Yes, exactly so. Incense is widely used by people in environments, and at times, when altered states of consciousness are required, e.g. meditation and trance.

When used in the same consistent circumstances, the incense programs the subconscious to associate a particular fragrance with a particular state. So by simply lighting and inhaling that particular incense, the subconscious automatically induces the right conditions for that desired state. Other such factors can be donning particular clothes, performing a particular ritual, playing a particular sound etc. - all designed to move consciousness away from the mundane existence to the inner/higher state.

As I mentioned before, I am sure that phasing has always been a major method of accessing the Astral.

The famous cave drawings of Europe and elsewhere are another example. The tribe "Shaman" would enter the Astral state of consciousness by means of the drumming, chanting etc. of the other tribe members. The drawings are symbolic imagery depictions of what the Shaman encountered in the Astral, and represents the message he was bringing to the tribe back from his Astral journies and encounters. Cave drawings were effectively the stone age version of these forums http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>  Drawing was the only practical method of depicting such encounters due to the difficulty in describing them with complex language.

 I think the ancients were much more tuned into the Astral than people today are generally, because they had far less mundane physical stimuli and factors to concern themselves with.  That is another reason why mankind's current course is taking it further and further away from reality and truth.

Thanks once again for your exceptional contribution in 2002, and that of everyone else, and again, I wish everyone a very Happy and Peaceful 2003, and may you all be successful in making progress on the path.

Adrian.


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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2003, 06:22:32 »

wow, I have this huge prbolem with music being left in my head.  I am a very musicla person, played instruments and can run a song note to note (every instrument at the same time with voice as well) on tune in my head from start to finish.  It is so horrible as it makes it hard to work on Obe's and the like.  Not to mention it makes it hard to sleep!  Thanks for the input on the ideas for that though, I should try that......

One more thing, what really is the 3D blackness?  I can get ot a point where the blackness in front opf my eyes seems to feel like it has depth, and then my consciessness feels hge, and small, and I move around alot?  is that space of 3D the 3D blackness that is spoken of?  thanks in advance!!!!!

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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2003, 13:31:59 »

Can someone tell me the difference between holosync and hemisync? The holosync site makes some pretty strong claims, but since I basically have no response to hemisync, I wondered if it was worth my time to even try holosync, if it is essentially the same thing.
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2003, 21:02:29 »

Greetings Maya,

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Can someone tell me the difference between holosync and hemisync? The holosync site makes some pretty strong claims, but since I basically have no response to hemisync, I wondered if it was worth my time to even try holosync, if it is essentially the same thing.
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Fundamentally there is no difference except for the trademark. Both products, and indeed several others, make use of bineural beats for brainwave entrainment.  Notwithstanding the claims are their somewhat hard sell site, these benefits are attainable, but the speed of such attainment will, in my opinion, vary from individual to individual based upon natural brainwave frequencies.

If you have headphones for your PC and an extension cable of sufficient length, I would strongly recommend BWGEN, which costs $40 to register, but will allow for an almost unlimited number of possibilities at no additional cost. The website is:

http://www.bwgen.com

We have some presets in the file library here which are similar to the hemi-sync series - I cannot publicly say "identical" to [Smiley]

The optimum frequency is around 4Hz according to my own research, and I suspect that holosync and similar simply start out at the higher frequencies and take you progressively lower. Whether this approach has any benefits over using just one frequency, i.e. 4Hz remains to be seen.

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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2003, 01:51:43 »

I have a question dealing with music and the astral senses (the shift from external to internal). Could it possibly work somehow to shift into your internal astral senses by exterannly listening to music? For example, if you knew the music very well, and could replay it in your head. Could you be listening to it, and somehow tricking your mind into thinking you were hearing it inside your head and phasing that way? I ask because I always listen to music at night when I usually do any astral/energy work, and it usually does not act as an external distraction. As I type this it sounds like it could get a bit complicated on the process my mind would be going through, but I also think it's worth a try.
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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2003, 16:51:32 »

Hi,
I usually use the ROPE method for conventional OBE type exit attemps.  I temporarily stopped using it recently because of a breathing problem that was throwing a spanner in the works.  During the attempts, I recall seeing my field of vision alternating from tiny to huge and circular etc.  I was wondering if this had anything to do with the 3d blackness?
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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2003, 12:54:52 »

Frank,

>> I think I hit on something here, because after only about 10 minutes of this I found myself stepping into 3D blackness! <<

  That's one of the best descriptions I've read about doing something I call prime the pump exercises.  As part of the preparatory process for afterlife exploration I encourage folks to actively imagine images, sounds, smells, tastes and touches.  It's a way of shifting one's focus of attention to the nonphysical senses.

  Having a song running through your head is a perfect way to practice using one's nonphysical sense of hearing or stimulate that sense for use during exploration.  Remembering a parent, a pet, or something else that evolks a mind's eye image is the same sort of thing for our nonphysical sense of sight.  

  I call these exercises Priming the Pump of imagination  because I'm old enough to remember carrying a bucket out to the pump to get water for my mom.  If I just started pumping the handle up and down no water came out.  I had to pour a little bit of water into the top of the old pump to prime it.  Keep pumping the handle after that and eventually water filled the bucket.  

 I know there's some confusion about what I mean by using imagination as the means of perception and yours is a good example of what I mean.  Imagining the sound of a song to the point of hearing it is that little bit of water one uses to prime the pump of imagination.  At some point the experience takes on a life of its own so to speak.

  I wouldn't be at all surprised to know that if you used the 3D Blackness to "go" somewhere that your sense of hearing seemed to be working well.

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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2003, 10:11:04 »



Thank you for the compliment.

From what you teach it appears we share a lot of common ground. Especially, when it comes to our views on the true nature of the human imagination.

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« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2003, 14:39:34 »

Hi everyone,

I had my first experience of Phasing the other day, and it all happened pretty much as described here. The imagination factor is an interesting one - Although I had no real intent, while I was in the 3D blackness I had a vague thought of playing in the park as a child, and a moment later I found myself riding on a swing, leaning back and looking up at the sky, and feeling the up and down movement.

Altogether, I've found traditional OBEs a very frustrating and confusing experience (trouble with movement, vision, memory etc), so I'm really looking forward to exploring Phasing.

Which (one) book of Monroe's would you guys recommend for beginning techniques? I am a poor student teacher and can't afford fancy paraphernalia...

Ta,
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« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2003, 17:35:36 »




I've had a number of PM's asking similar questions about my comments regarding the mental-rundown given on the monster-thread as being a kind of primer which kick-starts the natural Phasing process.

The questions relate to how you integrate the two and kick-start the process; how can you tell when the process has been kick-started, and what to do then, etc. So I thought I’d post a reply here as it pertains to the thread title.

What is the purpose of creating a mental rundown?

The rundown acts as a kind of mental primer which gets you in the mood and increases your anticipation and expectation levels (very important). The rundown is not what causes you to Phase to the Astral. Phasing is a natural process which comes about under certain mental conditions which I expand on later in this essay. It also gives a person practice in focusing their attention away from the physical body into the expanse of their mind. In other words, what you are basically doing is imagining you are Phasing to the Astral.

What shall I try, and for how long, and how often?

The mental-rundown exercise should be performed preferably at least once each day at around the same time. It does not really matter what kind of mental rundown you use. Simply do whatever feels right for you. Someone posted fairly recently they tried to work out their own but gave up and used the example I gave with a few changes here and there. Others have created their own from scratch. Like I say, it truly does not matter.

You don’t actually need the Wave-1 CD either. You can formulate a mental rundown to some relaxing music, or create something using Brainwave Generator, or use whatever suits you. All I would advise is for you to create something of around 30 to 45 minutes duration which you are basically happy with then stick with it. In other words, don’t make it too short, or too long, and no chopping and changing.

Okay, I’ve formulated a mental rundown so what next?

Once you have learnt your mental rundown you are ready to use it as a mental primer. First you go through it. Then simply remove the earphones (if you are using a CD or tape) and try Phasing for real.

In cases where you perhaps haven’t got all that much time to spare, what I would suggest is you create a short version of your rundown. Say, around half the duration. Then, every other time, listen to the short version after which you try for real. Once you get more competent then perhaps switch to the short version each morning. Or maybe try a regime of rundown one day and try it for real with no rundown the next. Again, it truly is a case of whatever suits each individual.  

What do you mean by “Phasing for real?”

When you come to Phase for-real, you switch from perceiving metal imagery you are imagining as part of your rundown, i.e. where you are imagining you are Phasing to the Astral, to perceiving images that are being created as part of the normal Phasing process. In other words, you are not imagining anything, you are doing it!

After going through my rundown I try it for real and nothing happens, why?

Chances are, your physical-body is distracting you by capturing your attention.

One of the benefits of formulating a mental-rundown to some kind of audio recording, is it takes your mind off both the physical body and the Physical environment. Plus, you know exactly what imagery to perceive as it is you who is imagining it. Without these two mental props it can feel like you are right back at square one.

Main things you should avoid when trying for-real

Thinking about day-to-day Physical-realm matters.

Any kind of thinking about anything to do with the Physical-realm tends to put a *big* spoke in the works. In other words, you can’t really hope to kick-start the Phasing process if one part of you is thinking of your dental appointment next day; or whether you’ll get that pay-rise you requested; or your birthday next week, etc., etc.

To deal with this what you should do, right at the start of your practice, is imagine a large box and place all your Physical-realm concerns in that box. Then lock it securely and walk away. When you finish your mental-rundown, unlock the box and take them out again. This method is suggested by Monroe on the Wave-1 CD. It may sound a bit weird but it works!

Any kind of internally verbalised thought (even if it is to do with Phasing!).

What I mean here, is you need to switch your inner-thinking so it is working exclusively in a visual way. Speed-reading aside, when we read to ourselves we have this inner voice which reads the words. This voice is probably what you are listening to within your own mind, right now as you read this.

Also, when we think to ourselves in an everyday sense we tend to use this same inner voice. Like, you may think, “Hmm, I’ve got 30 minutes before I meet my next client, so I’ll go and fill the car with petrol and pick-up something to eat on the way back.” Thinking that way uses that same inner-voice… which must be silent.

Then you quietly and passively observe what happens next.

When I say “quietly” I mean observe without having that inner-voice comment on anything you may perceive.

When I say “passively” I mean avoid reacting in any way to anything you may perceive.

Both the above I realise are a tad tricky to do. The good news is it all comes good with practice. At first, what will probably happen is you might perceive some kind of vague, fleeting image. At which point your inner-voice will chirp-up saying, “What was that?” or it might make some other comment. Perhaps it may comment in recognition that you are making progress.

Problem is, as it does so, it tends to send you a step back each time. Unfortunately, you can get caught in a self-defeating loop: where you take one step forward, your inner voice recognises you just took a step forward and comments to that effect, and the act of it doing so takes you one step back to where you were before.

Or you might perceive something and react to it. You might get startled, or fearful, or such like. What used to happen to me all the time (which was most frustrating) is I’d perceive some image in mind and, the moment I did so, my physical eyes would try and snatch a glance at whatever it was. This, of course, zapped me right back to C1 each time.

Okay, so you are in a state where you are quietly and passively observing. Don’t worry if nothing comes about. Simply curtail the session after your normal time and try again next session. Hopefully, what will soon happen is you will begin to perceive what may seem like fairly weird, totally abstract mental imagery.

Say you perceive some fleeting kind of something or other. Chances are you’ll wonder if what you think you may have perceived is what you should be starting to perceive. Then you’ll realise your inner voice has just made a comment. But the realisation of that was yet another comment. By which time you’ll probably be right back where you started.

The key is to simply roll along with this mental imagery, without your inner voice commenting on it, or having your physical body reacting to it. This is the beginning of Phasing. You don’t need any particular “technique” in order to project. You just need to set it going. Once the process gets underway everything happens more or less automatically.

If you can just quietly and passively observe the process you will end up within the Astral as awake and alert as you normally are while within the Physical.

Yours,
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« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2003, 22:13:22 »

Wow, Frank!

Whay a description. I suppose, after reading this post, one doesn't need to look any further for information about phasing, before having tried it extensively.. I'm going to save this one..

For a how much more pre-chewed dinner can somebody ask?


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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2003, 00:19:57 »

Adrian-
Glad that I decided to reread this thread or I would have missed Frank's last post, since I had previously neglected to subscribe to this topic (that has been remedied).

Frank-
What a comprehensive rundown! I've printed this one out (as I have with a number of your other posts) for reference.

It's been written at this forum before, so I'll restate what I've read and urge you to consider consolidating all this beneficial advice into a book or e-book.

You have a talent for making a complex topic quite lucid. At the risk of sounding sentimental, your past advice has moved me to reshape my astral program to where I am now receiving solid results.

Many thanks my friend,
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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2003, 09:06:42 »



Nick: Thank you for pointing that out. Your comment about my having a specific talent is quite a compliment.

What I have started to do is save copies of my posts on my hard-drive under various folder headings. This gives me the benefit of being able to cut and paste when answering common questions. Plus, I'm also formulating a Phasing FAQ list and have the idea also of once I've collated enough posts I can convert these into various articles; which I'm hoping Adrian will allow me to publish on the resources section.

That way newcomers will have the lion's share of the Phasing information in 2 or 3 chunks rather than having to search through a mountain of separate posts. As for publishing a book, I think the e-book route might be a future possibility. Something that explains the whole Phasing notion right from square one would be nice. But I'll have to collate quite a bit more information before I have enough to fill a book.

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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2003, 11:14:54 »

I can't hardly wait.

(shivering in excitement, and anticipation...)
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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2003, 11:24:58 »

Best news I've heard in a long time Frank!

Especialy for the phasing process. This is what you have called the "tricky" part. Keeping the mind "awake", but not too much, losing the body consciousness...phasing into the astral. When I read your posts on this subject, I know what your are saying, I understand the words, but the difficulty arises in the comprehension of how to do it, of applying it to the mind, to your awareness, in the "how-to".

Although you have writen many time on this, using different wording to try to explain it the best you can, there's a subtleness hard to grasp, unless you have actually done it I guess. Some of the other OBiers writing about their experiences, you could relate to and understand what they where talking about, but I have to imagine and understand the subtleness of the process, try to get a mental comprehension on how to get there.

Please take your time Frank, and go at length in your explanation of this most important aspect of OBE.

I know you've said you had to work hard and a long time to learn to OBE, I'm beginning to wonder if I will ever have one, but your contribution is an incentive, to keep at it.

Very generous of you, thanks!

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« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2003, 16:22:04 »

Frank, I have just run into your post dated 27 april 2003, where you give a pretty nice explanation of the whole process.

You where ahead of me.
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