Articles on projection

[FreeChile]

MadLordNad, have you had any success at all trying to achieve these states?

In my case, I have not even tried and some unexplained things have happened to me.  For example, the dreams I described in this post.  All I did was read some stuff on-line here and that night it happened.  

What is more interesting is that the times that I’ve purposefully tried, nothing has happened.

My feeling is that some initial door needs to open for these experiences to begin; and for newer experiences to start, other doors need to open.  I am not suggesting anything mystical nor special about my case.  It may simply be that we need to envision the possibility of something beyond what we think is real. Also, as easily as the door opens, it can be closed again.  At least, that explains why I can not recreate the experiences that easily.

[MadLordNad]

I get very close to projecting with body vibrations and loosening and all that but I seem to blow it mentally. Also, I have flying or "hopping" dreams periodically where I'm bounding through neighborhoods and whatnot but I don't have any conscious control. Though I remember thinking during such a dream "This would be a good place to fly through in a dream" as I inspected some pathway or whatever.    

I first became interested in AP around '89 but could only get so far regardless of the books I read or techniques I tried. I practiced for years always tantalized by minuscule success but ultimately I hit a wall. So I gave up for several years until recently when I found this site. I've since been developing my energy work and looked at APing and lucid dreaming from a different perspective and now I feel like I'm "on the verge" of finally getting it.  

[T.L.]

Yes mad as you said it would be a good way for writers to come up with ideas for stories. I can personally tell you that it will work perfectly for that. What I used it for was  oil paintings. In the environment I would say I want to see a painting and it would appear before me, I would sit there in the environment and study the painting until I knew it perfectly in and out, then I would end the experience and then start the real painting from memory. What happens here is that you are consciously claiming your intent and your subconscious does the actual creating. Its like walking, you consciously express your intent to walk (while physically awake) and your subconscious is what actually makes you walk.
Yes you could of created clothes in your lucid dream. You can have complete control, you can get rid of things or people or you can create them. I would say what you had was a lucid dream, one step up from that is what I call environments. There are a few differences I probably mentioned in the article. One huge difference is the senses feel more real than real, and I was able to read and write. I didnt enter an already active dream, there were no people or scenerios playing out it was just an empty place that could be in physical existence, for example a movie theatre,library,office,park nothing outrageous something that looks completely physically real.
Anyway you sound like you came far pretty quickly so no doubt you will be able to master this in no time given practice. I have a suggestion for people that cant seem to not fall asleep. This idea is nothing new mind you but here it is... when you lay down to project hold up one of your arms with your elbow supported on the bed, dont let your arm fall. Lay there and try to project with your arm up. If you do begin to fall asleep your arm will begin to sway or fall and that will force your consciousness to stay awake. Doing this will keep you conscious longer and will force it deep within the hypnagogic state given time and having your mind clear. Now two things can happen, once you are sure you can put your arm down and not fall asleep put it down and try to get deeper until you get into an experience, or you may be on the brink of sleep and slip into it and your arm will fall waking up your consciousness and when you try to put your arm up you may realize you cant and are paralyzed either is good.
I can project easily from paralysis some think when you are paralyzed you are already projecting (like robert bruce mentions in his book) where I am concerned this hasnt been the case, paralysis lets me know its time to leave.
Keep up the practice guys and good luck,
                                                        T.L.  (retroactive)

[zeitaxxl]

Hello everybody!
I found here so many interesting ideas...so I try to share one of my experiences...It’s so impressive to ‘travel in the astral’, but I was never sure that this is a lucid dream or an OOBE… There’s such a thin difference between an OOBE and a lucid dream…

Let me give you an example.
Last year, I’ve tried to be more ‘aware’ in those OOBE I had, to remember more about ‘who I am’! OK, I said, I don’t know ‘WHO I REALLY AM’ …but what can I do?
I want to remember at least who I am right now, in this not-so-important present of mine…I don’t want to go there AND NOT remember that I am there…I want to remember this sequence of life-time , this ID in which I am suppose to be alive now… I want to have a connection between me in the real life, and me inte real OOBE! I don't want to feel like two different persons!

I’ve start doing a very common psychological practice; repeating in the day time what to not forget in the night time!!!


“Remember who you are, while in OOBE!’
‘Do not forget your identity!’
‘This is my name, this is who I am now, look at me!’

I was doing this practice every night, before going to sleep.

That was very strong and very effective.
First at all, in the first nights, the ‘dream source’ reacted like didn’t like my practice.
This was so strange and so painful! I was just falling at sleep, then I was remembering my goal - “Remember who you are!’
‘Do not forget your identity!’ ‘This is my name, this is who I am now, look at me!’
…then the dream suddenly was stopping his plot! I was like threw away…out of the dream!
I was awake!
I tried again and again, and the ‘dream’ was like hesitating, giving me a short movie of hypnological images, then pushing me out of the plot, as soon as I was trying again to ‘remember’ …‘who I am’!

After a few weeks, I got very tired by not having much sleep or any sleep at all!
So I decided to forget about my practice for a while.
I decided to remember …not from the beginning, but somewhere in the middle, or in the end; I did it so and the result was quite humoristic!

For instance, I’ve got in a dream plot and I didn’t say …‘who I am’ from the beginning; I didn’t say anything, pretending to be handle by the dream!
It was something like a party, very important persons of a high society –unknown for me…everybody talking about the ‘heights’ and someone absolutely important was just coming there. He was a representative of the ‘Higher’…
So, when he show up, I stepped in front of him and told him aloud:
‘You must know who I am! I remember ‘who I am’! I am always remembering you and your dreams when I am waking up, but you don’t do the same thing, you don’t remember about me when you go back, I don’t know where…YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER ABOUT ME!!!’

I was suddenly so lucid! I was looking to him like to a very common image of a dream, keeping a lucid distance between me, a real person, and him, a temporary image!

That was like in a novel by Bulgakov – ‘Master and Margareta’!

Everybody was terrified, nobody was talking anymore, it was like a threat in the air… All those people were waiting the answer.
Then the HIGHER GUEST said…
‘OK, we will send somebody to you…’ (So, he was…’WE’!)

After this, I’ve start having kind of a power not to get captured by the dream…

In every night, I was just getting in the sleep, when suddenly I was finding myself there, in my room, somehow over the bad, invisible up in the air, having no body and looking indifferently to my sleeping body, sometimes looking to all the family, or to the kitties… Everyone was sleeping, I was up…
Sometimes it was sooo boring…I was getting downstairs and looking to the windows. The light was quite missing, it was almost dark…I was very much aware that I was out of my body, but no emotions…

Then, I’ve start having a different contact with all dreams. This time, the dream was from the beginning juts a little round light, like on a stage – a light of a reflector; inside the circle, I’ve seen my image and some one else’s, making together the action…I was totally lucid, I was watching just a little bit, like at a movie screen, then I decided to turn my back to all this, and the movie was disappearing… The dream was going away. I was alone in my room.
Now, I am able to repeat this ; I can get out of the dreams and be foe a short time a master of my self.

The dream is taking us like prisoners; it’s like a part of a program – first we have to be prisoners of a material reality, then we are like swallowed by the dream, and we forget everything… There are very short periods of time to find a way to be really free…Then, when we really are free, we don’t really know what to do with this!

I was dealing with the dream in this way for a while; seeing it like a little ‘projection’, a movie on a screen, taking it if I want to, not taking it most of the time…

I didn’t find a convincing practice or theory about how to dominate your dream from the beggining...
Have you ever had the feeling that the dream is like a …TRAP??? (I am not talking about the Jungian perspective…)

Did you ever fight it?

What practice should increase the memory…?

[T.L.]

Im sorry I havent been on in a while that was a good question. I never seen dreams as a trap, but I like the way you put it. I just looked at dreams as kind of a buffer zone between your conscious mind and the subconscious and I used lucid dreams as a way to communicate with my subconscious, like a forum for my subconscious to speak to me. I dont know if you should look at it as a program meant to enslave you though. Dreams can be controlled and so can dreamscapes/mindscapes whatever you choose to call them. For instance once you became conscious in your dream you could have done away completely with that dream and thought of another place youd like to see and instantly be there, you can add people, things, whatever you choose. This would be a dream soley created by you. So dreamscapes really can be a place to work anything out youd like such as fears, desires, adventures. Why frown upon them you know what I mean? Once again I should stress there is a huge difference between dreams/lucid dreams/obe's. Well not maybe huuuuge but the person will know once they have an obe and see the difference between these other states. Im sorry I answered this 2 years too late. I lost contact with this site for a while, sidetracked by life so to speak. I promise though Ill be around a lot more for anyone who would like to chat just message me. Regards,
                                                       T.L.